Roman Catholic Doctrinal evolution

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Jun 23, 2013
 
Mike Peterson wrote:
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We both were born into low church prot families. We listened to God when he showed us the way home. Most hide and ignore it.
They want to be the "Boss-man" when it comes to religion. Nobody is going to tell them what to believe. They belong the "democracy of God" instead of the Kingdom".
It's their intellectual dishonesty that shocks me the most. When confronted with indisputable historical facts their coping mechanism is to deny, deny, deny. They decry Catholic ritual but engage in their own rituals every Sunday without a clue why they are doing what they do. Their worship spaces look just like Baptist churches inside and they sing Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Presbyterian and even Catholic hymns and have no idea why or even know that they are doing it. They use an incomplete Bible written in a barely intelligible language which even English Lit majors struggle with not realizing it was produced for and by the Church of England. They owe their existence to a Catholic priest but wouldn't be caught dead in a Lutheran Church.
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I quoted the Church teaching on that direct from the CCC.
You question what day Jesus arose from scripture, but you don't question an ignorant youtube video.
SS at work.
It may have been a dramatization of fact though. Have you read 'From Sabbath to Sunday' by the SDA who wrote it at the official Catholic University as his thesis and it was adopted as official Roman Catholic Doctrine. What the 'actor' quoted is but a speck of the truth on the RCC on the topic. The FACT remains that there is no reason for Sunday worship except on Pentecost and the weekly worship on Sunday is totally Roman at its roots. Totally Roman Paganism persecution of Christians and Jews. Totally. There is NO substantiation to change the day from the Sabbath commanded by God. None whatsoever. Zip, zilch, de-nada.

'Breaking bread' was and is a common Jewish custom after the Sabbath - after sundown. They met to share fellowship and eat regular bread and regular wine and quite often snacks of other sorts. In fact, it's still practiced today by many Jews and Messianic fellowships.

You really do need to get out once in a while and experience coming to know what others believe and practice - first hand. You might even spend some time in actual Bible study, or better yet, study in the teachings of our Redeemer and Savior. He told both of us the truth - but it's a matter of who is listening to Him, and also knowing who doesn't;-)
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Jun 23, 2013
 
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I apologize. Pope Sproul said doubts what day Jesus rose.
I have dreamed of this day since I was a little kid. I always knew someday the Catholics would acknowledge me as Pope. Ever since I got a Pope ring in a box of Cracker Jacks as a kid I have dreamed of people bowing and kissing it. I must tell you there are going to be changes now that I am "Bossman" we are going by the bible from now on. The only part I am keeping that is Catholic, is where everybody bows and kisses my ring. Mike if you don't mind turn and just do a little curtsey when you leave. We will leave off the kissing my ring this time because I don't want you slobbering all over it. I just washed it, we will get it next time.
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Jun 23, 2013
 
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You low end prots types are all the same...liars, frauds and scammers. And if my last name was Sproul I would change it to hide the connection to the shenanigans of your family.
This is just a guess, but did I say something to offend you?
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You low end prots types are all the same...liars, frauds and scammers. And if my last name was Sproul I would change it to hide the connection to the shenanigans of your family.
Better watch it, I am the Pope now.

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Jun 23, 2013
 
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Better watch it, I am the Pope now.
It only takes a few clicks to find the Sproul clan in action.
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R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>I have dreamed of this day since I was a little kid. I always knew someday the Catholics would acknowledge me as Pope. Ever since I got a Pope ring in a box of Cracker Jacks as a kid I have dreamed of people bowing and kissing it. I must tell you there are going to be changes now that I am "Bossman" we are going by the bible from now on. The only part I am keeping that is Catholic, is where everybody bows and kisses my ring. Mike if you don't mind turn and just do a little curtsey when you leave. We will leave off the kissing my ring this time because I don't want you slobbering all over it. I just washed it, we will get it next time.
Wait a minute. Just on this forum there are Pope William, Pope Barsnweb, Pope Bobby, Pope Dave, Pope JC and Pope Prophet...

IF you are a Protestant you are your own Pope. There are millions.

You have to kiss your own ring because nobody else believes like you do.
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It may have been a dramatization of fact though. Have you read 'From Sabbath to Sunday' by the SDA who wrote it at the official Catholic University as his thesis and it was adopted as official Roman Catholic Doctrine. What the 'actor' quoted is but a speck of the truth on the RCC on the topic. The FACT remains that there is no reason for Sunday worship except on Pentecost and the weekly worship on Sunday is totally Roman at its roots. Totally Roman Paganism persecution of Christians and Jews. Totally. There is NO substantiation to change the day from the Sabbath commanded by God. None whatsoever. Zip, zilch, de-nada.
'Breaking bread' was and is a common Jewish custom after the Sabbath - after sundown. They met to share fellowship and eat regular bread and regular wine and quite often snacks of other sorts. In fact, it's still practiced today by many Jews and Messianic fellowships.
You really do need to get out once in a while and experience coming to know what others believe and practice - first hand. You might even spend some time in actual Bible study, or better yet, study in the teachings of our Redeemer and Savior. He told both of us the truth - but it's a matter of who is listening to Him, and also knowing who doesn't;-)
Baloney: You need to study more and quit taking everything from the

Samuele Bacchiocchi was admitted to a Catholic University as a non-Catholic after Vatican II. His thesis was whatever he said. Who cares, I don't and the Church doesn't. Only the SDA does.

The College prints all thesis'. So it was printed the by the university.

My son-in-laws doctoral thesis was printed by Va Tech. That only meant he defended his 'thesis' well, not that Va Tech has accepted it as the Truth and will start teaching what he wrote.

Historical proof of what day 1st Century Christians worshiped. I gave you biblical proof but with SS that doesn't matter to a Prot.

Assemble on the Lord's Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one.[The Didache 14:1]

This passage is very similar to Acts 20:7. Also note the connection between the breaking of bread and the Eucharist (cf. Acts 2:42; 1 Cor 10:16; 11:23ff). St. Barnabas in his epistle devotes a whole chapter on the issue of the Sabbath. He concluded by writing:

And we too rejoice in celebrating the eighth day; because that was when Jesus rose from the dead...[Epistle of Barnabas 15]

St. Barnabas in using the phrase "the eighth day" was referring to Sunday. Perhaps the most powerful statement was made by St. Ignatius of Antioch. Before 110 A.D., St. Ignatius wrote to the Magnesians:

We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the Sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead - the Day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him (Jesus) and His death.[Epistle to the Magnesians 9]
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Does the Pope sin? If he sins how can he be infallible? How does that scripture go? Does the scripture say that all but the pope have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?
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The reason we became separated from God is because of man's inability to never sin. The reason we can be re-connected to God is because Jesus paid a debt he did not owe for a sin/debt we cannot pay. How many times can we sin and still get into heaven?

Or, should we have a new desire to please God and he will lift us up every time we fall. Who places eternity in our hearts-do we do that?

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Bobby wrote:
Does the Pope sin? If he sins how can he be infallible? How does that scripture go? Does the scripture say that all but the pope have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?
Son, you are a real dumbass and getting worse day by day. I see you haven't told us where you went to church today. Ashamed of it?
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Son, you are a real dumbass and getting worse day by day. I see you haven't told us where you went to church today. Ashamed of it?
Why do you have a need to know? Is it so that you can place me in the right pigeon hole. If we stick with the scripture it should not matter.

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Bobby wrote:
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Why do you have a need to know? Is it so that you can place me in the right pigeon hole. If we stick with the scripture it should not matter.
The chances of it sticking with Scripture are zero and none. Maybe this will help with your infallibilty questions. If it doesn't there is no hope for you. All I ask of anyone is to be intellectually honest. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/papal-infallib...

You will note the NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
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Why do you have a need to know? Is it so that you can place me in the right pigeon hole. If we stick with the scripture it should not matter.
He goes to a "Bible" Church. All "points of view" are allowed but Catholic doctrine.

But he is willing to go to any Church, preferably close to his house.
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He goes to a "Bible" Church. All "points of view" are allowed but Catholic doctrine.
But he is willing to go to any Church, preferably close to his house.
I have visited lots of different churches, I like some better than others, I can do without the catholic. I suppose if I had no other choice I might consider it.

The older I get the more difficult it is for me to get around, so a small church close to home might be in my future.

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Son, you are a real dumbass and getting worse day by day. I see you haven't told us where you went to church today. Ashamed of it?
I love it when Catholics get to potty mouthing. Another prayer will have to be said for you in Purgatory for that.

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I love it when Catholics get to potty mouthing. Another prayer will have to be said for you in Purgatory for that.
And I love it when I catch Catholic bashers, especially the CofC team, in effing lies.
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And I love it when I catch Catholic bashers, especially the CofC team, in effing lies.
There goes that trash mouth again-ugh...

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And I love it when I catch Catholic bashers, especially the CofC team, in effing lies.
Im not a basher, isnt it you that said you hoped to be in purgatory?

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And I love it when I catch Catholic bashers, especially the CofC team, in effing lies.
You think it is ok to speak with the words you used in the text to Bobby, or are you made because I called you on you potty mouth?

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