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On this link http://www.bible.ca/catholic-flip-flops.htm is a picture of the Pope kissing the Qur'an. I’m sure God inspired the Pope to treat the Qur'an with such respect. The Catholic Church cannot even discern evil when it’s in their face; instead, its embraced and given a “holy kiss.”

This link http://www.bible.ca/catholic-flip-flops.htm also list some flip flopping from the Catholic Church.

For those inclined to learn more about the Catholic Church go here > http://www.bible.ca/catholic.htm
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Romans 2:16 (KJV)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY gospel.

Not one single Catholic anywhere, at any point in history, actually believes this.
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Watch right here and see.

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"If only one instance could be given in which the Church ceased to teach a doctrine of faith which had been previously held, that single instance would be the death blow of her claim to infallibility." (Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p74)
"if it be not identical in belief, in government etc., with the primitive Church, then it is not the Church of Christ." (Catholic Facts, 27)
"Catholic controversialists soon proved to the Protestants that to be logical and consistent they must admit unwritten tradition." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XV, p. 7)

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Now how could these Catholic leaders be wrong? Were they not the spokesperson of the Church which is never in Error?
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Now how could these Catholic leaders be wrong? Were they not the spokesperson of the Church which is never in Error?
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Christ did not give His church the right to make laws. He gave the apostles and prophets the authority to reveal His laws, e.g., "...The things I am writing to you are the Lord's commandments" (1 Cor. 14:37), but He did not delegate to them nor to His church the authority to make laws. Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth (Matt. 28:18), and He is head over all things of the church (Eph. 1:22); therefore, He alone has the right to ordain what pleases Him in His church. The responsibility of the church is not to make or change laws, but to follow the laws made. The authority is not in the body but in the Head; the ruling is not in the kingdom but in the King; the authority in not in the church but in Christ.

The Bible does speak of a body of people who would make laws; however, it is not the Lord's church but the great apostasy:

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. They will forbid marriage, and will enjoin abstinence from foods, which God has created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who know the truth." (1 Tim. 4:1-3).

In the above passage the apostle foretold that the group which would depart from the faith would "forbid marriage and will enjoin abstinence from foods." None can deny the fact that ecclesiastical law in the Catholic Church does forbid marriage. The vows which the priest and nuns choose to take forbid them to marry. Furthermore, all know that the Catholic Church has at times, and still does, e.g., the Lenten fast, enjoined abstinence from foods.
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JustChristian wrote:
Christ did not give His church the right to make laws. He gave the apostles and prophets the authority to reveal His laws, e.g., "...The things I am writing to you are the Lord's commandments" (1 Cor. 14:37), but He did not delegate to them nor to His church the authority to make laws. Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth (Matt. 28:18), and He is head over all things of the church (Eph. 1:22); therefore, He alone has the right to ordain what pleases Him in His church. The responsibility of the church is not to make or change laws, but to follow the laws made. The authority is not in the body but in the Head; the ruling is not in the kingdom but in the King; the authority in not in the church but in Christ.
The Bible does speak of a body of people who would make laws; however, it is not the Lord's church but the great apostasy:
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. They will forbid marriage, and will enjoin abstinence from foods, which God has created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who know the truth." (1 Tim. 4:1-3).
In the above passage the apostle foretold that the group which would depart from the faith would "forbid marriage and will enjoin abstinence from foods." None can deny the fact that ecclesiastical law in the Catholic Church does forbid marriage. The vows which the priest and nuns choose to take forbid them to marry. Furthermore, all know that the Catholic Church has at times, and still does, e.g., the Lenten fast, enjoined abstinence from foods.
Matthew
Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”

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“When you fast,* do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. They neglect their appearance, so that they may appear to others to be fasting. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.
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But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,
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so that you may not appear to be fasting, except to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees what is hidden will repay you.
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The Roman Catholic church evolved from the Western Schism or Papal Schism when they left the universal church of orthodoxy which originated from the apostles. This heretical movement resulted in many doctrines contrary to the bible. Peter as the first Pope, infallibility, transubstantiation, marriage only valid in Catholic church, Mary Worship, praying to dead saints, and many other teaching are contrary to the bible.
When it is necessary to believe Peter and the Pontiff have complete jurisdiction over all the church and are infallible or you cannot be saved, then you have replaced Jesus with a man.
I think I will stay with what the bible says on the matter.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/renewing-y...
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According to Vatican 1 the Pope is head of the church. Replacement of Christ?
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Matthew
Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”
Matthew
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“When you fast,* do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. They neglect their appearance, so that they may appear to others to be fasting. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.
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But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,
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so that you may not appear to be fasting, except to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees what is hidden will repay you.
Where's the context junior?
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R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
According to Vatican 1 the Pope is head of the church. Replacement of Christ?
Jesus is head of the Church. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the successor to Peter.

Pope Sproul is fallibe in the area of faith and morals. It is his personal opinion , no better than any other Protester.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus is head of the Church. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the successor to Peter.
Pope Sproul is fallibe in the area of faith and morals. It is his personal opinion , no better than any other Protester.
Are you denying the First Vatican Council said these things? I want to see the Catholic dishonesty displayed again. You are confused or intentionally trying to discredit Sproul, I believe the latter. No matter, this is not connected with Sproul. It is obvious the church believes no one can be saved but them and they have replaced the head of the church (Jesus) with a man (Pope). That is what happens when heretics leave the original church. After the schism the next step is to claim they are the only one.

First Vatican Council
The status and authority of the Pope in the Catholic Church was dogmatically defined by the First Vatican Council on 18 July 1870. In its Dogmatic Constitution of the Church of Christ, the Council established the following canons:
"If anyone says that the blessed Apostle Peter was not established by the Lord Christ as the chief of all the apostles, and the visible head of the whole militant Church, or, that the same received great honour but did not receive from the same our Lord Jesus Christ directly and immediately the primacy in true and proper jurisdiction: let him be anathema.
If anyone says that it is not from the institution of Christ the Lord Himself, or by divine right that the blessed Peter has perpetual successors in the primacy over the universal Church, or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in the same primacy, let him be anathema.
If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema.
We, adhering faithfully to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God, our Saviour, the elevation of the Catholic religion and the salvation of Christian peoples, with the approbation of the sacred Council, teach and explain that the dogma has been divinely revealed: that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when carrying out the duty of the pastor and teacher of all Christians by his supreme apostolic authority he defines a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in blessed Peter, operates with that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer wished that His church be instructed in defining doctrine on faith and morals; and so such definitions of the Roman Pontiff from himself, but not from the consensus of the Church, are unalterable. But if anyone presumes to contradict this definition of Ours, which may God forbid: let him be anathema."
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They want to "let him be anathema" everyone. Except them, of course.
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R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Are you denying the First Vatican Council said these things? I want to see the Catholic dishonesty displayed again. You are confused or intentionally trying to discredit Sproul, I believe the latter. No matter, this is not connected with Sproul. It is obvious the church believes no one can be saved but them and they have replaced the head of the church (Jesus) with a man (Pope). That is what happens when heretics leave the original church. After the schism the next step is to claim they are the only one.
First Vatican Council
The status and authority of the Pope in the Catholic Church was dogmatically defined by the First Vatican Council on 18 July 1870. In its Dogmatic Constitution of the Church of Christ, the Council established the following canons:
"If anyone says that the blessed Apostle Peter was not established by the Lord Christ as the chief of all the apostles, and the visible head of the whole militant Church, or, that the same received great honour but did not receive from the same our Lord Jesus Christ directly and immediately the primacy in true and proper jurisdiction: let him be anathema.
If anyone says that it is not from the institution of Christ the Lord Himself, or by divine right that the blessed Peter has perpetual successors in the primacy over the universal Church, or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in the same primacy, let him be anathema.
If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema.
We, adhering faithfully to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God, our Saviour, the elevation of the Catholic religion and the salvation of Christian peoples, with the approbation of the sacred Council, teach and explain that the dogma has been divinely revealed: that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when carrying out the duty of the pastor and teacher of all Christians by his supreme apostolic authority he defines a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in blessed Peter, operates with that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer wished that His church be instructed in defining doctrine on faith and morals; and so such definitions of the Roman Pontiff from himself, but not from the consensus of the Church, are unalterable. But if anyone presumes to contradict this definition of Ours, which may God forbid: let him be anathema."
I agree with everything the Church teaches me infallibly in the areas of the faith and morals. Jesus told me to do that. It it pillar and foundation of Truth.
Anathema is a legal term indicating the severest of excommunications. It has this particular, limited meaning in the context of the legal canons of the Council of Trent.
But the Catechism of the Catholic explains that anybody how is has a valid baptism is a Christian and who does not die in the state of mortal sin might be saved Only God knows who will be saved.
Sproul. is just another of millions of protestants who believe what they want to believe and think they areright, so he is his own Pope.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I agree with everything the Church teaches me infallibly in the areas of the faith and morals. Jesus told me to do that. It it pillar and foundation of Truth.
Anathema is a legal term indicating the severest of excommunications. It has this particular, limited meaning in the context of the legal canons of the Council of Trent.
But the Catechism of the Catholic explains that anybody how is has a valid baptism is a Christian and who does not die in the state of mortal sin might be saved Only God knows who will be saved.
Sproul. is just another of millions of protestants who believe what they want to believe and think they areright, so he is his own Pope.
Being your own pope means you are a cult leader, right?

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Bobby wrote:
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Being your own pope means you are a cult leader, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kfuE318UdNEXX
Being your own pope means you have infallible teaching on faith and morals and that your interpretation of the Bible is the only one that is right.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Being your own pope means you have infallible teaching on faith and morals and that your interpretation of the Bible is the only one that is right.
There is no office of pope found in the scripture.

I can be wrong just like the pope can be wrong but scripture is truth revealed in Christ Jesus. Perfect knowledge and perfect obedience is not a requirement for salvation. If it was the catholic popes would all be in perfect agreement but they definitely are not.
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Bobby wrote:
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There is no office of pope found in the scripture.
I can be wrong just like the pope can be wrong but scripture is truth revealed in Christ Jesus. Perfect knowledge and perfect obedience is not a requirement for salvation. If it was the catholic popes would all be in perfect agreement but they definitely are not.
Sure the office is there even though that word and many others we use today are not in there.

Peter was the first head of Jesus's Church. He was given the Keys.
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Bobby wrote:
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There is no office of pope found in the scripture.
I can be wrong just like the pope can be wrong but scripture is truth revealed in Christ Jesus. Perfect knowledge and perfect obedience is not a requirement for salvation. If it was the catholic popes would all be in perfect agreement but they definitely are not.
The word or idea of protestant, sola scirptura, or sole fide, are not in there or even can be alluded to.

The closest thing to protestant in the Bible would be the idea of divorce, the Church is the bride of Christ, and heresy.

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