Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#1 Jun 11, 2013
As parents, many of us strive to act fairly, especially towards the children. However, my mother explained to me very early in life: "I'm sorry, but life isn't fair."

She seemed to be correct but I now adapt her words to actually mean: life is not balanced. Seeming undeserving people receive rewards while deserving people may reap no benefits from their actions. Not fair! I say: not balanced.

I was taught to accept unfairness as a fact of life, something I cannot control. I do not accept it; I believe unfairness is caused by people and can be controlled by people. I believe that life is naturally balanced and only becomes unbalanced by the deliberate actions of people.

Does anyone have an opinion about this? Are there any ideas on how to combat unfairness?
William

Mount Vernon, AR

#2 Jun 11, 2013
Unfairness is a fact of life.

But that rule is fair to everyone. It just may not seem like it from a casual observation.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#3 Jun 11, 2013
Kill everyone. Bad idea-only way to stop unfairness though.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#4 Jun 12, 2013
I suggest that fairness is a fact of life.

I think that we all spend tons of time making life unfair, only to spend tons more time trying to force it to be fair, while simultaneously complaining. I also think that since we have accepted unfairness as beyond our control, we cannot accurately assess what is and isn't fair.

Our way of living is structured so that we are constantly motivated to tip the scales in our favor. The most successful people are those with the most advantages. This way of thinking offsets the balance of how things naturally want to be. When someone gains, another loses. Not fair! We've made it unfair because we always strive to gain.

When things are fair, they are equal. If you can see past all of the ways that humans have made our world unfair, you can recognize that our world really wants to be fair.

Posters have been describing a horrible Earth - war and death, decay and suffering - and a hope that after this awful place kills them, they will enjoy a continuation of their soul's life in Heaven, in bliss.

I don't see Earth that way. I see constant opportunities to be fair. When I talk to people who are panicking about how horrible our future must be, I say: don't worry, it'll work out. All you have to do is "be fair" to be happy. Strive for balance and remember that everyone and everything really WANTS to balance as well.

In the same way that a virus might kill us (ultimate fairness!), everyone can learn to recognize unfairness, do what you are able to create fairness, and encourage other people to spread fairness.

I consider these to be my religious beliefs - or what replaced my old religious beliefs - and they are not just for crazy people, but also, Christians and all other people.

Any thoughts?
Walkinginlove

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Jun 13, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
I suggest that fairness is a fact of life.
I think that we all spend tons of time making life unfair, only to spend tons more time trying to force it to be fair, while simultaneously complaining. I also think that since we have accepted unfairness as beyond our control, we cannot accurately assess what is and isn't fair.
Our way of living is structured so that we are constantly motivated to tip the scales in our favor. The most successful people are those with the most advantages. This way of thinking offsets the balance of how things naturally want to be. When someone gains, another loses. Not fair! We've made it unfair because we always strive to gain.
When things are fair, they are equal. If you can see past all of the ways that humans have made our world unfair, you can recognize that our world really wants to be fair.
Posters have been describing a horrible Earth - war and death, decay and suffering - and a hope that after this awful place kills them, they will enjoy a continuation of their soul's life in Heaven, in bliss.
I don't see Earth that way. I see constant opportunities to be fair. When I talk to people who are panicking about how horrible our future must be, I say: don't worry, it'll work out. All you have to do is "be fair" to be happy. Strive for balance and remember that everyone and everything really WANTS to balance as well.
In the same way that a virus might kill us (ultimate fairness!), everyone can learn to recognize unfairness, do what you are able to create fairness, and encourage other people to spread fairness.
I consider these to be my religious beliefs - or what replaced my old religious beliefs - and they are not just for crazy people, but also, Christians and all other people.
Any thoughts?
I'm personally glad life is not fair if it was then Jesus would not have paid for the sins of the world!
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#6 Jun 13, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
I suggest that fairness is a fact of life.
I think that we all spend tons of time making life unfair, only to spend tons more time trying to force it to be fair, while simultaneously complaining. I also think that since we have accepted unfairness as beyond our control, we cannot accurately assess what is and isn't fair.
Our way of living is structured so that we are constantly motivated to tip the scales in our favor. The most successful people are those with the most advantages. This way of thinking offsets the balance of how things naturally want to be. When someone gains, another loses. Not fair! We've made it unfair because we always strive to gain.
When things are fair, they are equal. If you can see past all of the ways that humans have made our world unfair, you can recognize that our world really wants to be fair.
Posters have been describing a horrible Earth - war and death, decay and suffering - and a hope that after this awful place kills them, they will enjoy a continuation of their soul's life in Heaven, in bliss.
I don't see Earth that way. I see constant opportunities to be fair. When I talk to people who are panicking about how horrible our future must be, I say: don't worry, it'll work out. All you have to do is "be fair" to be happy. Strive for balance and remember that everyone and everything really WANTS to balance as well.
Any thoughts?
*Everyone wants balance as well- I disagree. Some want unbalance; some desire pure chaos; some say "my way or the highway". Not everyone is trying to go along to get along.

*Again, just what is fair and why are we striving for "fairness"? From the Christian point of view, I do NOT want what I deserve-that's hell. I desire what I don't deserve- the mercy and grace and love of God Almighty.

*On earth, one's view of fair and another's view may be different. Example-affirmative action. Is it really fair to punish a white male in the employment process in favor of an African-American female? Is that reverse discrimination?

*When someone gains, another loses. Not fair! We've made it unfair because we always strive to gain.

Dave-that's not entirely true. I have gained before in life and no one else lost. I have lost and vice versa. The above thought seems to me to be a liberal/progressive myth.

ASM- If you can see past all of the ways that humans have made our world unfair, you can recognize that our world really wants to be fair.

Dave- Christians believe the world is fallen along with man. Any perceived or real unbalance or unfairness cannot take place until both are redeemed and made new.
William

Birmingham, AL

#7 Jun 13, 2013
"Kill everyone. Bad idea - only way to stop unfairness though."

Welcome to your hardcore Commie thought process!

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#8 Jun 13, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm personally glad life is not fair if it was then Jesus would not have paid for the sins of the world!
I would suggest that it is not fair for Jesus to be punished or to "pay the price" for other people's sins.

I think that you understand what I am saying, however, because I regularly argue about things that seem to be fair, but are not, and other things that seem unfair, but are, in fact, fair. Jesus's actions where those of one who is trying to correct unfairness that existed when he entered the scene. He recognized that the odds were stacked in favor of some people and his efforts would stack the odds in favor of OTHER people to bring about balance. Equality = happiness = peace = balance. It is what all things truly want.
William

Birmingham, AL

#9 Jun 13, 2013
"I would suggest that it is not fair for Jesus to be punished or to "pay the price" for other people's sins."

Well, that was the deal. Good thing it was him and not us.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#10 Jun 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. Some want unbalance; some desire pure chaos; some say "my way or the highway". Not everyone is trying to go along to get along.
It does seem that way, but look at it differently, if you would. Why would anyone want non-balance, chaos, or superiority? Were they born wanting it or did we teach them to want it? Do you think that those things actually bring happiness to the people who pursue them? Is being the best and having the most really make you the most successful? Is the winner the one who can control the most people? The people you described would say: yes! But they are wrong, Dave, you know it and I know it, but they do not. If they are truly to achieve happiness, they will need to stop acting that way.
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>*Again, just what is fair and why are we striving for "fairness"? From the Christian point of view, I do NOT want what I deserve-that's hell. I desire what I don't deserve- the mercy and grace and love of God Almighty.
*sigh* I was hoping not to have to tread all over your religious beliefs so quickly, but you just just cut to the chase, don't you? You deserve Hell only because you believe that you do. If you set aside any knowledge that you gained from the Bible, you could not know that you deserve Hell. Imagine a person who has never heard or thought of Hell - would they deserve Hell? Why would God leave that person at such a disadvantage? Not fair! I wonder if you will agree when I say: Christianity is Not Fair. I suggest that Christianity is a source of much unfairness.
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>*On earth, one's view of fair and another's view may be different. Example-affirmative action. Is it really fair to punish a white male in the employment process in favor of an African-American female? Is that reverse discrimination?
I argue that people cannot recognize what is and isn't fair because they entered the world when it was already unfair and they have been taught conflicting examples of fairness.

Affirmative action - is it fair? Not really but kind of.. It is a modern effort to remedy past unfairness. For a long time, whites had many advantages over blacks - to suppress the anger of those people who were for so long at a disadvantage, wouldn't it be fair to allow blacks advantages over whites for an equal time period? That seems balanced to me. But is it really? The glitch is: the time period of unfairness includes generations of people - do current people get to inherit the anger or shame of their forefathers? Does a time period of injustice require an equal but opposite time period of injustice to reach equilibrium? This is when I accept that injustice has occurred and that opposite injustice should have satisfied the emotions of those people who were wronged - but when the lifespans of those people have past, we should deliberately end the injustice. I think affirmative action has served its purpose.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#11 Jun 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
*I have gained before in life and no one else lost. I have lost and vice versa. The above thought seems to me to be a liberal/progressive myth.
I suggest that you have gained and not noticed how anyone has lost as a result of your actions - that does not mean that no one lost. It would mean that you did not recognize unfairness - very common in our society - most people do not recognize unfairness.

I reject being judged as a myth - a myth is a commonly-held but false belief - my beliefs are not commonly-held or false. They were not taught to me, I gained them through my own rationalization and that is the only way any person can gain them. You may refer to the Asian symbol of Yen and Yang to explain how my thoughts are unoriginal. If other people have drawn the same conclusion using their own brains that I concluded using my own brain - it only substantiates that my ideas are more likely be true. I am not teaching you a myth - I want to teach you how to view reality and accept it for exactly what it is.
Dave P wrote:
Christians believe the world is fallen along with man. Any perceived or real unbalance or unfairness cannot take place until both are redeemed and made new.
So the Bible says that the World has been perpetually falling since the time when the Bible was written.. you don't recognize the great progress that mankind has achieved in these thousands of years? Your Bible has made you bitter against the World - the World is as wonderful as it is awful - the World wants to achieve balance, and it can.

You suggest that fairness can only be actual in some other World. I suggest that through the efforts of humans, fairness can be achieved in this one.

Your suggestion to kill everyone is a legitimate remedy for unfairness - I thought it was an exact and fine example. For one person to kill everyone, however, would be a lot of work.. Suppose that instead of a person killing everyone, a solar storm swept our globe and burnt everyone up - that would be totally fair! Unpleasant, maybe...

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#12 Jun 13, 2013
William wrote:
Well, that was the deal. Good thing it was him and not us.
NO! Not good thing!

Suppose a bomb was thrown into a crowd. One person caught it in mid-air and prevented any other person from being injured, however, that person died. Good thing it was him and not you? Good thing it was one and not many? What if that "one" was YOUR son - good thing, still?

That "one" was like Jesus - he took upon himself what was horrible, so that the crowd could go on living with the benefit of his death. He sacrificed himself for the benefit of you. He did not allow you to face the actual consequences of what life was throwing at you - he tipped the scales in your favor and balanced his actions by volunteering to be the "loser". Not fair! You people are mean to Jesus when you lie and cheat and then continue your lives satisfied that Jesus took away the consequences of it - you are just ignoring the consequences and the forgiveness you receive from Jesus only benefits you.
William

Columbus, GA

#13 Jun 13, 2013
You are THIS CLOSE to being saved by the death, burial, resurrection, ASW.

Come on in for the big win.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#14 Jun 13, 2013
No, William, I am not close. I understand Christianity but I disagree with it. Christians aren't allowed to disagree. Christianity is an all or nothing decision - half agreeing is not considered half OK.

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