Baptism for remission of sins

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I still can not find how water baptism is required for salvation.

Here is an article which I thought gives a very strong argument why Acts 2:38 does not instruct water baptism to get rid of sin.

http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38...

That article has many verses of the Bible which I have never heard Johnny, Mark, James or the other CoC men discuss and teach about.

I don't see how Johnny, Mark and James can call themselves Bible preachers/gospel preachers when they don't understand the Bible or care what the rest of it says except their own interpretation of Acts 2:38.
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Olethros wrote:
I still can not find how water baptism is required for salvation.
Here is an article which I thought gives a very strong argument why Acts 2:38 does not instruct water baptism to get rid of sin.
http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38...
That article has many verses of the Bible which I have never heard Johnny, Mark, James or the other CoC men discuss and teach about.
I don't see how Johnny, Mark and James can call themselves Bible preachers/gospel preachers when they don't understand the Bible or care what the rest of it says except their own interpretation of Acts 2:38.
Olethros,
If you would really check those guys out from the web-site you posted ( http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38 )you would realize that they use the word <eis> which the Holy Spirit uses in Acts 2:38 "repent and be baptized...for <eis> the remission of sins..." BUT they give the definition of <gar> (vs.39) "For <gar> the promise..." <eis> is NEVER translated "because of"
These guys must have come from the sorcerers school of Jerry Falwell. They will write it in a book but they wont dare defend it in public.
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May 15, 2013
 
They also used the whole "saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone without works" but apparently forget that both faith and repentance are things we do.
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Dave P wrote:
They also used the whole "saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone without works" but apparently forget that both faith and repentance are things we do.
Good point.
I noticed that to.
They must hate the book of James.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Even "faith" is a work we must do.

Joh 6:28 ¶ Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

"your work of faith"???? Ohhhh the so-called denominations are going to have to exclude faith now because Paul says thats a "work"
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May 15, 2013
 
Olethros wrote:
I still can not find how water baptism is required for salvation.
Here is an article which I thought gives a very strong argument why Acts 2:38 does not instruct water baptism to get rid of sin.
http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38...
That article has many verses of the Bible which I have never heard Johnny, Mark, James or the other CoC men discuss and teach about.
I don't see how Johnny, Mark and James can call themselves Bible preachers/gospel preachers when they don't understand the Bible or care what the rest of it says except their own interpretation of Acts 2:38.
Aren't you doing the same thing as them?
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May 15, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
Even "faith" is a work we must do.
Joh 6:28 ¶ Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
"your work of faith"???? Ohhhh the so-called denominations are going to have to exclude faith now because Paul says thats a "work"
I have had much joy this week hearing from a friend at work who has come to the same conclusions as us over your last two posts Mark. There are still some out there who desire to hear the Master.
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Dave P wrote:
They also used the whole "saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone without works" but apparently forget that both faith and repentance are things we do.
What is the purpose of salvation?

A follower of Christ will do a lot of works while following him. There is no one or two works that he does that makes God decide to save him. Or in the case of some here, everything must be obeyed to the letter after salvation or you will lose it. Obedience is something we do because we are followers of Christ but not so we will be allowed to follow him. When we work out our salvation we are doing what we were purposed to do. We lift up Christ in our own lives so that others might see Christ living in us? In simple language do not hide our light under a basket.

Matt 5:15 and several others teach this principle. Our job is to lift up Christ so that the unbelieving world can see him-the true light of the world.

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May 15, 2013
 
Mark wrote:
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Olethros,
If you would really check those guys out from the web-site you posted ( http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Acts-2-38 )you would realize that they use the word <eis> which the Holy Spirit uses in Acts 2:38 "repent and be baptized...for <eis> the remission of sins..." BUT they give the definition of <gar> (vs.39) "For <gar> the promise..." <eis> is NEVER translated "because of"
These guys must have come from the sorcerers school of Jerry Falwell. They will write it in a book but they wont dare defend it in public.
"Eis" leads to many meanings from translated to English from Greek.

The examination of the text and other verses in the New Testament prove that "eis" in Acts 2:38 means "because of" or "in regard to". It does not mean that one must be baptized in order to acquire remission of sins.

I do not ignore Acts 2:38. But I can not ignore the rest of scripture either. The New Testament scripture as a whole indicates strongly that we are saved by faith, not by water baptism. Nor by any other words "lest we should boast".

Why does the Church of Christ ignore Ephesians 2:8-9? Paul commands we can't be saved by works so don't depend or brag about them. Mark, you and Johnny and James and the other CoC preachers only preach works and you brag about yourselves constantly.

Have you studied Ephesians 2:8-9 as much as you have studied Acts 2:38?
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Bobby wrote:
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What is the purpose of salvation?
A follower of Christ will do a lot of works while following him. There is no one or two works that he does that makes God decide to save him. Or in the case of some here, everything must be obeyed to the letter after salvation or you will lose it. Obedience is something we do because we are followers of Christ but not so we will be allowed to follow him. When we work out our salvation we are doing what we were purposed to do. We lift up Christ in our own lives so that others might see Christ living in us? In simple language do not hide our light under a basket.
Matt 5:15 and several others teach this principle. Our job is to lift up Christ so that the unbelieving world can see him-the true light of the world.
Jesus tells us specifically what works we should do. If you do these things for others you do them for Jesus.

•To feed the hungry;
•To give drink to the thirsty;
•To clothe the naked;
•To harbour the harbourless;
•To visit the sick;
•To ransom the captive;
•To bury the dead.

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May 15, 2013
 
Mike, since you firmly believe the Catholic Church to be THE CHURCH, do you know any Catholic willing to debate these issues on TV? The Church of Christ in the Martinsville VA area have live TV shows that air in 2 different States, plus the debate could be posted on YouTube. Matter of fact, the guy Mark on here, is one of the men who have a show on TV in Martinsville, VA.

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I know it is hard for a Prot. to get this , I was there long ago, but before the NT scriptures were written , there was a Church. When these writers were alive they told the Church exactly what every thing they wrote meant. The Church was there to ask.
The Early Church Fathers did exactly what the Apostles taught them by both the scriptures and by saying hey John, did Jesus really mean real flesh and real blood?
You , 2000 years later are saying the Apostles taught the Church wrong even though Jesus said he would protect the Church from all evil. And he has . 1.2 Billion and still growing.
You really dont comprehend my writings, Just show the scripture where the orginal greek was Repent and be ZARAQ for the remission of sins.

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"Eis" leads to many meanings from translated to English from Greek.
The examination of the text and other verses in the New Testament prove that "eis" in Acts 2:38 means "because of" or "in regard to". It does not mean that one must be baptized in order to acquire remission of sins.
I do not ignore Acts 2:38. But I can not ignore the rest of scripture either. The New Testament scripture as a whole indicates strongly that we are saved by faith, not by water baptism. Nor by any other words "lest we should boast".
Why does the Church of Christ ignore Ephesians 2:8-9? Paul commands we can't be saved by works so don't depend or brag about them. Mark, you and Johnny and James and the other CoC preachers only preach works and you brag about yourselves constantly.
Have you studied Ephesians 2:8-9 as much as you have studied Acts 2:38?
This is a lie about eis.

Now about Eph 8-9 You need to read it in whole and rightly divide it.

What could a man boast about? Mans ideas about salvation That he can come up with or Gods plan about Salvation?

Just that answer will work
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You really dont comprehend my writings, Just show the scripture where the orginal greek was Repent and be ZARAQ for the remission of sins.
BTW: I have never seen anybody Baptized by sprinkling. I have heard sprinkling is done in hospitals so not to interfere with treatments

You can't immerse somebody on their death bed or an infant or if you dont have enough water.

bap-tid'-zo

Definition

to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
to overwhelm


The Didache

After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able. Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days (Didache 7:1 [ca. A.D. 70]).

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BTW: I have never seen anybody Baptized by sprinkling. I have heard sprinkling is done in hospitals so not to interfere with treatments
You can't immerse somebody on their death bed or an infant or if you dont have enough water.
bap-tid'-zo
Definition
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
to overwhelm
The Didache
After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able. Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days (Didache 7:1 [ca. A.D. 70]).
Im sorry what uninspired person wrote those instruction?

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JustChristian wrote:
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This is a lie about eis.
Just because you say it is a lie does not make it so.
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Now about Eph 8-9 You need to read it in whole and rightly divide it.
What could a man boast about? Mans ideas about salvation That he can come up with or Gods plan about Salvation?
Just that answer will work
The Church of Christ has an idea about salvation. Why should anybody believe it is God's exact plan about salvation?

I don't see the CoC that Mark, Johnny and James are with, acting biblical or like loving humble Christians. Other churches don't have members lying about young girls and accusing them of pornography, stalking people, trying to cause trouble in the community, having TV shows all about them and their boastful ways instead of about Christ. I can't remember eer seeing Johnny, Mark, James or any other CoC preacher preaching Christ at all.

The more I see the Church of Christ in Martinsville and Danville, the more I'm convinced they are not a true church and not true Christians. If I have no reason to trust them to be Christians then why should I trust their interpretation of the Bible?
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Im sorry what uninspired person wrote those instruction?
A guy taught by the Apostles before the Catholic Church decided what books of the Bible was inspired in 382 AD.

You only know what scriptures are inspired because the CC said they were in the Council of Rome.

I am glad you put your faith in the CC hands. That is why the CC says they are are the True Church with the Fullness of the Truth and without the CC you cannot go to heaven. The Church created the Bible and you go by the Bible, so if you go to heaven, it is because of the CC.

But I digress.

Jesus started, said it was the pillar of truth,a and the CC created the Bible. What else do you need to prove you can have baptism without immersion.

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I still can not find one verse in the Bible which says black and white, clear as crystal, that water baptism is required for salvation and that without water baptism a person has no salvation.

Not even Mark 16:16 says it. Acts 2:38 does not say it. Look at it all you want but it does not say it.

I have been going to a new church in Danville. The people assembling there are true saints and followers of Christ. They have joy in their hearts and it shines on their faces. They show Jesus in their actions and worship. I never see Jesus in the Church of Christ's actions and worship. I never see Johnny, Mark or James smile for joy. The only time they smile is if it is a smile of sarcasm. That isn't Christian of them either.
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May 15, 2013
 
Olethros wrote:
I still can not find one verse in the Bible which says black and white, clear as crystal, that water baptism is required for salvation and that without water baptism a person has no salvation.
Not even Mark 16:16 says it. Acts 2:38 does not say it. Look at it all you want but it does not say it.
I have been going to a new church in Danville. The people assembling there are true saints and followers of Christ. They have joy in their hearts and it shines on their faces. They show Jesus in their actions and worship. I never see Jesus in the Church of Christ's actions and worship. I never see Johnny, Mark or James smile for joy. The only time they smile is if it is a smile of sarcasm. That isn't Christian of them either.
That is why Jesus set a Church with Authority with one man on Earth to decide these things.

God had the same system set up in the OT with Abraham, Moses, David , Aaron, etc. A man on Earth with his Authority. Why would he change something that worked.

The only difference is new Revelation has ended.

He didn't. He gave the keys to Peter.

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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A guy taught by the Apostles before the Catholic Church decided what books of the Bible was inspired in 382 AD.
You only know what scriptures are inspired because the CC said they were in the Council of Rome.
I am glad you put your faith in the CC hands. That is why the CC says they are are the True Church with the Fullness of the Truth and without the CC you cannot go to heaven. The Church created the Bible and you go by the Bible, so if you go to heaven, it is because of the CC.
But I digress.
Jesus started, said it was the pillar of truth,a and the CC created the Bible. What else do you need to prove you can have baptism without immersion.
If the RCC church decided which scriptures were inspired how did this miss out?:)

Also I dont care whom you said put together the inspired word it was God doing the direction and giving of what we now have as the Holy Bible

by the way When I go to heaven it will not be because of the CC. It will be because of a savior.

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