2 Peter 3:9

[ElectOne]

Even in your proof texting you can not win with your synergism. You fellows fastly run to 2 Peter 3:9 as if it supports your synergism view of the text. In fact Peter is making a strong case for a monergistic view of salvation. God sovereignly decrees that none of his elect shall perish, but that all of his elect should reach repentance. The reason you fellows fail to get this is because you ignore the context. The “any” and the “all” must be defined within the context of the “you” used earlier in the verse. “God is patient toward YOU, not wishing that any [of you] should perish, but that all [of you] should reach repentance. The “you” is a reference to Peter’s readers- the believers scattered throughout Asia Minor. The “any” and the “all” are not universal in scope but particular. Peter is speaking to a particular group [Christians in Asia Minor] of people saying that God is not willing that any of this particular group of people should perish. How can I make this any simpler for your fellows. If you do not have eyes to see such plain and simplistic truth I can not make you see. If you wish to hold to what some preacher said about 2 Peter 3:9 and take that to mean YOU rather than the ones Peter wrote the letter I can not help those who refuse to see plain truth.

[SeekingWanderer]

ElectOne wrote:

Even in your proof texting you can not win with your synergism. You fellows fastly run to 2 Peter 3:9 as if it supports your synergism view of the text. In fact Peter is making a strong case for a monergistic view of salvation. God sovereignly decrees that none of his elect shall perish, but that all of his elect should reach repentance. The reason you fellows fail to get this is because you ignore the context. The “any” and the “all” must be defined within the context of the “you” used earlier in the verse.“God is patient toward YOU, not wishing that any [of you] should perish, but that all [of you] should reach repentance. The “you” is a reference to Peter’s readers- the believers scattered throughout Asia Minor. The “any” and the “all” are not universal in scope but particular. Peter is speaking to a particular group [Christians in Asia Minor] of people saying that God is not willing that any of this particular group of people should perish. How can I make this any simpler for your fellows. If you do not have eyes to see such plain and simplistic truth I can not make you see. If you wish to hold to what some preacher said about 2 Peter 3:9 and take that to mean YOU rather than the ones Peter wrote the letter I can not help those who refuse to see plain truth.

How can you make it any simpler? What an idiotic, condescending attitude you have. As if we need you, a blatant false teacher full of pride and ego, to tell us what YOU believe about being "elect" or not. Your arrogant pride has blinded you to the truth. And I take it that YOU received your teaching as direct revelation from the Holy Spirit? If not, that "some preacher" you referred to can also apply to your "some preacher". Your "some preacher" taught you all kinds of false teaching, too.

The only person here teaching falsely is you, my friend. Leave your denomination, and stop condemning babies to hell, while you're at it.

[regina steele marrs]

ElectOne wrote:

Even in your proof texting you can not win with your synergism. You fellows fastly run to 2 Peter 3:9 as if it supports your synergism view of the text. In fact Peter is making a strong case for a monergistic view of salvation. God sovereignly decrees that none of his elect shall perish, but that all of his elect should reach repentance. The reason you fellows fail to get this is because you ignore the context. The “any” and the “all” must be defined within the context of the “you” used earlier in the verse.“God is patient toward YOU, not wishing that any [of you] should perish, but that all [of you] should reach repentance. The “you” is a reference to Peter’s readers- the believers scattered throughout Asia Minor. The “any” and the “all” are not universal in scope but particular. Peter is speaking to a particular group [Christians in Asia Minor] of people saying that God is not willing that any of this particular group of people should perish. How can I make this any simpler for your fellows. If you do not have eyes to see such plain and simplistic truth I can not make you see. If you wish to hold to what some preacher said about 2 Peter 3:9 and take that to mean YOU rather than the ones Peter wrote the letter I can not help those who refuse to see plain truth.

A shame an old country boy, who failed English, has to run to a dictionary online. To just decipher one sentence of your text.
The simpliest question can be answered with just as simple answer.
You can make your point simpler, by using simpler words to understand and for someone to make a rebuttal.

[regina steele marrs]

Monergism describes the position in Christian theology of those who believe that God, through the Holy Spirit, works to bring about effectually the salvation of individuals through spiritual regeneration without cooperation from the individual. Monergism is most often associated with Calvinism (like many American Presbyterians and Dutch Reformed) and its doctrine of irresistible grace and in particular with historic doctrinal differences between Calvinism on the one hand and Arminianism on the other.

This position is often presented in contrast to synergism, the belief that God and individuals cooperate for salvation. Lutherans generally adhere to a modified and less stringent form of monergism.

[regina steele marrs]

syn·er·gism
   [sin-er-jiz-uhm, si-nur-jiz-] Show IPA

noun
1.
synergy ( def. 1 ).

2.
Biochemistry, Pharmacology . the joint action of agents, as drugs, that when taken together increase each other's effectiveness ( contrasted with antagonism).

3.
Theology . the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration. Compare monergism.

I guess I am of the opinion, I am one of these people who believe this theology.

[ElectOne]

Ephesians 2:1-3

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

No man who is spiritually dead will ever seek God – no one spiritually dead is able to seek God. The dead seek nothing.

In 1 Corinthians 2:14 Paul says, The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The natural person does not accept the things of God. To him, such things are folly. He is incapable of understanding that which is spiritually discerned. Why? Because he is spiritually dead

You fellows simply do not understand your own position before God. You can not help God save you. God must awaken the dead.

[ElectOne]

ElectOne wrote:

Even in your proof texting you can not win with your synergism. You fellows fastly run to 2 Peter 3:9 as if it supports your synergism view of the text. In fact Peter is making a strong case for a monergistic view of salvation. God sovereignly decrees that none of his elect shall perish, but that all of his elect should reach repentance. The reason you fellows fail to get this is because you ignore the context. The “any” and the “all” must be defined within the context of the “you” used earlier in the verse.“God is patient toward YOU, not wishing that any [of you] should perish, but that all [of you] should reach repentance. The “you” is a reference to Peter’s readers- the believers scattered throughout Asia Minor. The “any” and the “all” are not universal in scope but particular. Peter is speaking to a particular group [Christians in Asia Minor] of people saying that God is not willing that any of this particular group of people should perish. How can I make this any simpler for your fellows. If you do not have eyes to see such plain and simplistic truth I can not make you see. If you wish to hold to what some preacher said about 2 Peter 3:9 and take that to mean YOU rather than the ones Peter wrote the letter I can not help those who refuse to see plain truth.

I noticed not one of you fellows have explained 2 Peter 3:9 away. You know full well that I provided you the context even showed you its meanings yet you fellows still follow after a lie.

[regina steele marrs]

ElectOne wrote:

Ephesians 2:1-3
2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
No man who is spiritually dead will ever seek God – no one spiritually dead is able to seek God. The dead seek nothing.
In 1 Corinthians 2:14 Paul says, The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The natural person does not accept the things of God. To him, such things are folly. He is incapable of understanding that which is spiritually discerned. Why? Because he is spiritually dead
You fellows simply do not understand your own position before God. You can not help God save you. God must awaken the dead.

This verse does not mean spiritually dead in sins, a sinner man doed not involve spiritual matters ( he is in the flesh ).

So in order for a person to be converted, they MUST come alive ( spiritual alive ), but how can a sinner, become alive, without repenting and accepting Jesus.

God awaken the dead ( sinners ), seems even God needs a preacher to preach to the sinner, and the Holy Ghost to convict them of their sins.

If God didn't need man's help in converting sinners, God would have no need of Preachers.

There is no one on here, who advocates, helping God save themselves.

For a denomination to speak of spiritual matters, and do not believe in the Gifts of the Holy Ghost ( there are nine of them ). In order to speak of spiritual matters, one must include the Gifts.

[ElectOne]

regina steele marrs wrote:

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This verse does not mean spiritually dead in sins, a sinner man doed not involve spiritual matters ( he is in the flesh ).
So in order for a person to be converted, they MUST come alive ( spiritual alive ), but how can a sinner, become alive, without repenting and accepting Jesus.
God awaken the dead ( sinners ), seems even God needs a preacher to preach to the sinner, and the Holy Ghost to convict them of their sins.
If God didn't need man's help in converting sinners, God would have no need of Preachers.
There is no one on here, who advocates, helping God save themselves.
For a denomination to speak of spiritual matters, and do not believe in the Gifts of the Holy Ghost ( there are nine of them ). In order to speak of spiritual matters, one must include the Gifts.

I have already hit your points on other threads. I will discuss one comment you made at a later date though. You ask about the reason for preaching if God has already picked who will be saved. This will be discussed as we move forward. For now you fellows and ladies in this case must understand that dead men can not bring them self to life. You must first get this before we move to other topics.

[regina steele marrs]

ElectOne wrote:

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I have already hit your points on other threads. I will discuss one comment you made at a later date though. You ask about the reason for preaching if God has already picked who will be saved. This will be discussed as we move forward. For now you fellows and ladies in this case must understand that dead men can not bring them self to life. You must first get this before we move to other topics.

See you have put me in a category of not understanding spiritual matters , but this is false.

As you intend to make a teaching of this doctrine of pre-destination, I see no need to sit here and listen to someone beat their own drums.

Dead men are not sinners and you must understand, what dead means to describe it.

You accept in your own mind, that I can not discern spiritual matters, and this is a false statement.

You spew forth electones, dead men, and man can not save themselves.

I will put forth the same question , I asked another pre-destined Minister.

If Jesus first went to the Lost House of the tribe of Israel, and not unto the Gentiles or Samaritians. Would this have not made the Jewish nation, the Elect first? Since Jesus did not interact with Gentiles, until the woman at the well. If you read the whole chapter, you will find some verses that says.

John 4:4
And he must needs go through Samaria

Jesus was not going to go through Samaria. But low and behold, who did he meet, a woman needing salvation. Samarians were considered an evil people, but they had to have salvation.

Jesus said this.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

So when did the Jews become the un-elect and then the Gentiles become the Elect?

[ElectOne]

Read Romans to start with and there you shall find an answer. How you fellows deny predestination when its WORDED in the bible escapes all logic. I notice with each of your fellows that rather than addressing my points you dodge them with off topic or indirect logic. The bible states you can not be born of the human will so try refuting the Apostle John. John then says we are born by the will of God. There goes your so called free will. You are only free under the umbrella of Gods will. This goes clean over you fellows head despite clear teaching. You do not even understand that youre are spiritually dead needing to be born from above. By far you seem most confused on here. I posted a few more threads for your benefit.

[nobody]

regina steele marrs wrote:

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There is no one on here, who advocates, helping God save themselves.

Maybe that isn't the the best way of saying it. If I said that some on here teach the same gospel concerning salvation that is in the bible, I would not be telling the truth. They teach everything happening in baptism and cannot back it up.

[nobody]

ElectOne wrote:

I notice with each of your fellows that rather than addressing my points you dodge them with off topic or indirect logic.

I call it running for the hills and it is obvious they do it with no intention of addressing the contradictions they teach. It is as if they cannot be wrong.

[regina steele marrs]

ElectOne wrote:

Read Romans to start with and there you shall find an answer. How you fellows deny predestination when its WORDED in the bible escapes all logic. I notice with each of your fellows that rather than addressing my points you dodge them with off topic or indirect logic. The bible states you can not be born of the human will so try refuting the Apostle John. John then says we are born by the will of God. There goes your so called free will. You are only free under the umbrella of Gods will. This goes clean over you fellows head despite clear teaching. You do not even understand that youre are spiritually dead needing to be born from above. By far you seem most confused on here. I posted a few more threads for your benefit.

So clarify this then.

If someone proclaims to be born again and have not been born again from above. Is this person truly born again, or just living a lie.

As for clarifying your points, or my points, I have noticed, you have went right on past MY questions and refused to answer. Did I miss the train again?

You are so smart, as to include me with other friends, who advocate water baptism regeneration.
For the record and ask anyone on here, this is the farthest from the truth.
So when addressing my answers, LEAVE ME OUT OF THE WATER BAPTISM CROWD.

You have me pegged wrong, concerning theology.

So from your posting, we throw out repentence and water baptism, and wait for being born again from above.

[regina steele marrs]

nobody wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe that isn't the the best way of saying it. If I said that some on here teach the same gospel concerning salvation that is in the bible, I would not be telling the truth. They teach everything happening in baptism and cannot back it up.

I do not advocate or preach/teach everything happening in Water Baptism.
I preach/teach salvation comes before water baptism. I also preach/teach remission of sins comes before water baptism.

Does salvation come from above, yes, does conviction come from above, yes.
Can a man be born again, without repentence, no.
Can a man be born again without water baptism, yes.

[nobody]

regina steele marrs wrote:

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I do not advocate or preach/teach everything happening in Water Baptism.
I preach/teach salvation comes before water baptism. I also preach/teach remission of sins comes before water baptism.
Does salvation come from above, yes, does conviction come from above, yes.
Can a man be born again, without repentence, no.
Can a man be born again without water baptism, yes.

I agree just about with all you say except a minor point. The repent part is Yes and No. Yes they repented in their hearts. Repentance is a life long process as we become aware of our sins. We know certain things are sin but there are things we are not aware of. When a person is baptized in water or born again they are a babe and there are things they do not know. Babe know a lot of things that are sin but some we need to be made aware of. When a preacher asks someone if they repented and they say yes, it depends on what they know. If a preacher asked someone if they had repented and explained to them what every sin there was in this world, how long would that take? Some CoC try to tie it to baptism but they need to keep repenting afterwards also as it becomes known. We are only perfect in Christ, individually we still have faults.

[SeekingWanderer]

ElectOne wrote:

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I noticed not one of you fellows have explained 2 Peter 3:9 away. You know full well that I provided you the context even showed you its meanings yet you fellows still follow after a lie.

So, run it by us again who made you a prophet, with perfect interpretation of the Bible? That's right, NO ONE! HAHAHA! Just more of your huge ego, thinking you're better than other people because you are the "elect". Sorry. Your personal interpretation is just that, YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION. Means nothing to me, or anyone else on here.

[SeekingWanderer]

ElectOne wrote:

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I have already hit your points on other threads. I will discuss one comment you made at a later date though. You ask about the reason for preaching if God has already picked who will be saved. This will be discussed as we move forward. For now you fellows and ladies in this case must understand that dead men can not bring them self to life. You must first get this before we move to other topics.

Imagine the gall! The unmitigated gall that you have, as if you're TEACHING us something! Wow! You, sir, are so full of your own sinful pride and ego that you can't see past your own nose. You're teaching us nothing but false teaching, from the lips of John Calvin himself. Heathenistic and heretical false teaching, at that. You need to repent of your pride and ego.

[SeekingWanderer]

ElectOne wrote:

Read Romans to start with and there you shall find an answer. How you fellows deny predestination when its WORDED in the bible escapes all logic. I notice with each of your fellows that rather than addressing my points you dodge them with off topic or indirect logic. The bible states you can not be born of the human will so try refuting the Apostle John. John then says we are born by the will of God. There goes your so called free will. You are only free under the umbrella of Gods will. This goes clean over you fellows head despite clear teaching. You do not even understand that youre are spiritually dead needing to be born from above. By far you seem most confused on here. I posted a few more threads for your benefit.

"Our benefit"? You're a false teacher. You denomination is full of false teaching. You're not teaching us anything but error from that fool John Calvin's lips. And you're repeating foolish teachings, directly from one fool to another. What makes it worse, is that you think you're so Biblically smart, that you cannot be taught anything different about YOUR errors, which are MANY. I feel so sad for you. You're fooled by your own teaching, and the false teaching of others. So sad.

[SeekingWanderer]

nobody wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe that isn't the the best way of saying it. If I said that some on here teach the same gospel concerning salvation that is in the bible, I would not be telling the truth. They teach everything happening in baptism and cannot back it up.

It's been backed up, sufficiently and thoroughly. It's up to the reader to understand truth or not. You can lead a horse to water...you know the rest.