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Mike Peterson

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JustChristian wrote:
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That has been proven a false statement even in the first century. Time and again the word of God was used to correct not the church. As a matter of fact the earliest churches were having issues that had to be corrected and not by the church of Jerusalem but by the word of God. Attention to revelation as to how this was done. You denial is simply denial without Deity supporting what you say so it is just mans words. I will stick with Gods words. And by the way the church did not write the book.
The Church has had issues for 2000 years. Who corrected them? The Apostles and their successors.

The Church. Bible still had 350 years to go.

You said you will stick with God's word. What is that to you?

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MarkEden wrote:
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Dude you need to find yourself a real history book and not some propaganda from a cult. It is you who are trying to pass off faux history. And no one says the Church "wrote" the book...but it absolutely did make the infallible choices of those manuscripts which were to be included in the Canon. And the Church of Christ denomination had nothing to do with it.
Show in the biblical record where the church was responsible for correction of doctrinal error. Then look and see what was being told to the churches that were in error. Whom was doing the correcting, Dude.

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Scott S., why can't you use your name?
Dont Know Scott S.
Mike Peterson

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Joey N wrote:
http://godsbreath.net/?s=churc h+history
Kyrie Eleison!!!!!!!

Did you put that up here as prank or do you really believe that stuff?

Name one Church of Christ member between AD 100 and 1700 and show me what he wrote and how he worshiped. Just one.

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Show in the biblical record where the church was responsible for correction of doctrinal error. Then look and see what was being told to the churches that were in error. Whom was doing the correcting, Dude.
You stupidly believe Christianity was frozen at the moment the last period was placed at the end of the Apocalypse. It simply was not. In fact, it was just beginning.

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Joey N wrote:
http://godsbreath.net/?s=churc h+history
This is a low end prot cult website.

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MarkEden wrote:
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You stupidly believe Christianity was frozen at the moment the last period was placed at the end of the Apocalypse. It simply was not. In fact, it was just beginning.
I stupidly believe the Word of God not the word of pope boy.
Mike Peterson

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>I stupidly believe the Word of God not the word of pope boy.
Where did you get your "Word of God?"

Why does your word of God differ from Christians for the 2000 years after Jesus, and differ from 40,000 other non-Catholic ecclesial communities and the millions of the Bible, and Jesus, and Me crowd.

The Bible is just ink and paper to you , because you have no authority. Jesus did not leave you in charge. He left a Church in charge.

Jesus was as smart as God. Wait a minute. He was God. The Church decided that. Oh yeah the Holy Spirit. That too.

See, the Trinity was not in the Bible. You agree with the Church on whole lot of stuff.

The rest you believe is just make believe.

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>I stupidly believe the Word of God not the word of pope boy.
Low end prots can be so tacky. In this case it's because the CofC has no history and just can't come to grips with the certain fact that it did not exist until Alexander Campbell left the Baptist Church.

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MarkEden wrote:
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Low end prots can be so tacky. In this case it's because the CofC has no history and just can't come to grips with the certain fact that it did not exist until Alexander Campbell left the Baptist Church.
The church of God has always existed since it started no man (Campbell or pope) have a church or started one.
Mike Peterson

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The church of God has always existed since it started no man (Campbell or pope) have a church or started one.
Amen: Now you are making sense. Jesus started the Church. No man did. The Apostles made it happen with Peter in charge, the Rock, the first person in recorded history to be named Rock. Not shifting sand like Protestantism is.

The Church is 2000 years old.
Roman Catholic Sproul

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Amen: Now you are making sense. Jesus started the Church. No man did. The Apostles made it happen with Peter in charge, the Rock, the first person in recorded history to be named Rock. Not shifting sand like Protestantism is.
The Church is 2000 years old.
A small part of a rock. A stone(petros) and the bible explains that.

Joh 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

The word "rock" which the church is built upon is (petra) also translated rock but meaning "mass" which is a completely different word. The church is not built upon Peter(petros or stone) but built upon petra (mass of rock) as you well know. Yet you falsely teach the church is built upon Peter, sad indeed. Do you think we are going to believe the Catholic teaching or the bible teaching of Jesus?
Mike Peterson

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Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>A small part of a rock. A stone(petros) and the bible explains that.
Joh 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
The word "rock" which the church is built upon is (petra) also translated rock but meaning "mass" which is a completely different word. The church is not built upon Peter(petros or stone) but built upon petra (mass of rock) as you well know. Yet you falsely teach the church is built upon Peter, sad indeed. Do you think we are going to believe the Catholic teaching or the bible teaching of Jesus?
Right after Jesus said that God had spoken to Simon. The only one of the twelve that God spoke directly to. The first person in history to be named Rock. Then Jesus said upon you I will build my church.

This is a perfect example of the useless conversation with somebody who believes in SS. There is no way anybody can be wrong with that doctrine.

Just like prisoner making "large rocks" into small "rocks".

Useless. Just something to give them something to do just like protestants.

And Protestants call this Bible Study.

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Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>A small part of a rock. A stone(petros) and the bible explains that.
Joh 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
The word "rock" which the church is built upon is (petra) also translated rock but meaning "mass" which is a completely different word. The church is not built upon Peter(petros or stone) but built upon petra (mass of rock) as you well know. Yet you falsely teach the church is built upon Peter, sad indeed. Do you think we are going to believe the Catholic teaching or the bible teaching of Jesus?
Amen brother. I could not stated that better myself.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Right after Jesus said that God had spoken to Simon. The only one of the twelve that God spoke directly to. The first person in history to be named Rock. Then Jesus said upon you I will build my church.
This is a perfect example of the useless conversation with somebody who believes in SS. There is no way anybody can be wrong with that doctrine.
Just like prisoner making "large rocks" into small "rocks".
Useless. Just something to give them something to do just like protestants.
And Protestants call this Bible Study.
Your right about Peter, so why is it that the CC does not recognized any of Peter's writings.
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Brian wrote:
The Apostle Paul puts the icing on the cake on the issue of baptism, by stating in I Cor. 1:17, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel!" Now if baptism is the point of salvation, this statement would be utterly blasphemous. But in reality, it simply confirms what the rest of the Bible already teaches... that we are saved by grace, not works of any kind! As human beings, it is in our nature to want to earn our salvation. There is nothing wrong with wanting to please God! The problem comes in when the way we want to please God conflicts with the way He wants it. If we look at Romans 10:9-10, we see God giving us the plan of salvation in a very simple and straightforward way. The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by confessing that Jesus is (our) Lord! Now that can't be true, can it? We don't get saved by simply believing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, do we? That is just too easy. There must be more to it than that, isn't there? Don't we have to do something to earn it? According to human wisdom, we have to deserve such a great gift. But in issues of life and salvation, sometimes we have to set aside our earthly "wisdom" and simply accept God at His Word. It's like the bumper sticker that says, "God said it; I believe it; and that settles it." Whether we understand God's Mercy and Grace or not, doesn't change His terms. He has made it simple so that anyone can be saved. But man comes along and tries to make it "better." But you cannot improve on perfection! God's ways are higher than our ways, and He says that salvation is a gift, that no one can earn. So my advice is to take God at his word and receive the greatest gift ever offered; Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ!
More likely is that since Jesus put immersion into the very center of His parting directions (Mt 28 great commission), and ten days later Peter gave the first gospel sermon to conclude with being immersed into Christ to be a commandment of God with blessing - for everyone from that day till the end of the age (Forgiveness of sins and gift of the Holy Spirit), that it's Paul's gospel that is not in accord with the gospel taught by Jesus Christ.

There is a gospel of Jesus Christ that is in total accord with the Law, Psalms and Prophets. There is a gospel according to Paul that negates the Law, the teachings of the Master Teacher, and in many ways against what Jesus Christ declared the truth to be.

Take your pick who you believe, but you need to recognize Paul did not teach according to what Jesus declared to be the very words of God.

You'd best prepare for the fact that Paul was prone to lie and boast about himself. No one else, not even Luke, said Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ - not even 'the least apostle'.

"Jesus' Words Only"

Study Matthew and John for a while and it should become apparent.
Mike Peterson

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Sep 14, 2013
 
The Church is " The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Words Only".
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Barnsweb wrote:
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More likely is that since Jesus put immersion into the very center of His parting directions (Mt 28 great commission), and ten days later Peter gave the first gospel sermon to conclude with being immersed into Christ to be a commandment of God with blessing - for everyone from that day till the end of the age (Forgiveness of sins and gift of the Holy Spirit), that it's Paul's gospel that is not in accord with the gospel taught by Jesus Christ.
There is a gospel of Jesus Christ that is in total accord with the Law, Psalms and Prophets. There is a gospel according to Paul that negates the Law, the teachings of the Master Teacher, and in many ways against what Jesus Christ declared the truth to be.
Take your pick who you believe, but you need to recognize Paul did not teach according to what Jesus declared to be the very words of God.
You'd best prepare for the fact that Paul was prone to lie and boast about himself. No one else, not even Luke, said Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ - not even 'the least apostle'.
"Jesus' Words Only"
Study Matthew and John for a while and it should become apparent.
I thought you were a Torah guy. Not much Jesus speaking in there.
Mike Peterson

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Annoying Proxy wrote:
I have asked our Catholic duo several times if the catholics did admit to changing the scriptures of Matthew 28:19. they dodge the question and will not give a simple answer. There are many sources that say the same thing below. This is disturbing. Can they be trusted? This is terrible to think the Catholics have changed the word of God. What else have they changed?
http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/pdf/UNKNOWN%...
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
by the Catholic Church in the second century."
You need more teaching.

First of all, let me remind you there are no literature of any kind to support what you believe before 1520, then partly again in 1800 and rest of what you believe changes daily.


Anybody can write a Catholic Encyclopedia. Please give the publisher and authors of what you quoted from Wikipedia.

From an official writing the Church accepts and that was highly considered by a number of early Christians to be part of Canon.

The Didache written during the Apostles time and accepted during that time.

This is what the Church has taught from the day of Pentecost.

Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
killedjoe

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Mike Peterson wrote:
The Church is " The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Words Only".
Then why do you pray to Mary and the Saints. It is to clear that you do what the CC tells you to do, and not what the WORD'S say.

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