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Brian wrote:
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Then you are acknowledging that the bible does not grant springing of babies?
Yeah it does and we use great big Slinkys for that.
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Brian wrote:
Don’t tell but we go to the river. Maybe you can show me a Pope or “priest” in the bible pouring or sprinkling over babies.
Was there a river running through the jail when he and his family was baptized by Paul and his posse. You know Paul never left the jail that night.

Was there a river running through Lydia's house when she and her household was baptized.

What about the 3,000 at Pentecost. After Peter’s first sermon, three thousand people were baptized in Jerusalem (Acts 2:41). Archaeologists have demonstrated there was no sufficient water supply for so many to have been immersed. Even if there had been, the natives of Jerusalem would scarcely have let their city’s water supply be polluted by three thousand unwashed bodies plunging into it. These people must have been baptized by pouring or sprinkling.

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I just love their reasoning. Brain knows he does not have authority for all he does in Church but wants to condemn us. Good point about the Welches. Notice he didnt really have much to say about that.
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Larry wrote:
Why don't you all prove your god instead of this nonsense
That is a good question and I doubt if anyone including myself can prove there is a God as unbelievers cannot prove there isn't a God. We get our belief from what we believe to be an obvious conclusion, there must be a creator because man cannot duplicate or even explain his surroundings. The bible and history affirms our beliefs and we accept that explanation of God. The more we study and learn of it, the more we accept that explanation. Some have other beliefs or gods but even they believe their god to be a greater power and usually a creator also. They cannot prove it either. We can't prove it to your satisfaction because only you can in your own soul believe or come to this conclusion. I actually believe it is God that opens our eyes, no proof there either,just my belief.
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<quoted text>That is a good question and I doubt if anyone including myself can prove there is a God as unbelievers cannot prove there isn't a God. We get our belief from what we believe to be an obvious conclusion, there must be a creator because man cannot duplicate or even explain his surroundings. The bible and history affirms our beliefs and we accept that explanation of God. The more we study and learn of it, the more we accept that explanation. Some have other beliefs or gods but even they believe their god to be a greater power and usually a creator also. They cannot prove it either. We can't prove it to your satisfaction because only you can in your own soul believe or come to this conclusion. I actually believe it is God that opens our eyes, no proof there either,just my belief.
Research Peter Kreefts explanation of why there must be a God. As good as I have seen.

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MarkEden wrote:
Always amusing to run into a Baptist with hydrophobia. I've never understood why they spend all that money building elaborate water tanks up in front of the church and then say they are not really needed. At least the CofC which copied Baptist worship spaces uses theirs.
This is funny from a group that changed the word immerse to baptize so they could sprinkle.

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me first where it says anything about a Bible in the Bible and where is says everything is in the Bible?
with this great logical thinking anyone can claim anything and be correct.

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Brian wrote:
The Apostle Paul puts the icing on the cake on the issue of baptism, by stating in I Cor. 1:17, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel!" Now if baptism is the point of salvation, this statement would be utterly blasphemous. But in reality, it simply confirms what the rest of the Bible already teaches... that we are saved by grace, not works of any kind! As human beings, it is in our nature to want to earn our salvation. There is nothing wrong with wanting to please God! The problem comes in when the way we want to please God conflicts with the way He wants it. If we look at Romans 10:9-10, we see God giving us the plan of salvation in a very simple and straightforward way. The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by confessing that Jesus is (our) Lord! Now that can't be true, can it? We don't get saved by simply believing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, do we? That is just too easy. There must be more to it than that, isn't there? Don't we have to do something to earn it? According to human wisdom, we have to deserve such a great gift. But in issues of life and salvation, sometimes we have to set aside our earthly "wisdom" and simply accept God at His Word. It's like the bumper sticker that says, "God said it; I believe it; and that settles it." Whether we understand God's Mercy and Grace or not, doesn't change His terms. He has made it simple so that anyone can be saved. But man comes along and tries to make it "better." But you cannot improve on perfection! God's ways are higher than our ways, and He says that salvation is a gift, that no one can earn. So my advice is to take God at his word and receive the greatest gift ever offered; Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ!
Now lets get to the issue. By you claiming paul put the icing on the cake that must mean that all the other teaching prior to him were wrong about salvation. As you know if a scripture does not harmonize with other scriptures that causes a problem. Can a person have mental belief in God only and be saved? Nowhere in scripture is that idea embraced. Can calling on the name of Lord bring one to salvation? Yes because that is exactly what was said of those on Pentecost. Acts 2:21

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21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

This was in the sermon of Peter. The next question is why the people nor Peter did not understand this was a simple voice confession that had to be done by the person wishing to have salvation. And this voice confession was all that was neeeded. Can you answer that?

Simply all that has to be done is follow what happened next. Here I will paste it.

37 Now when they heard this, they were [aj]pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles,“[ak]Brethren,[al]wha t shall we do?”

What now happens? Does the Crowd come forth and with a voice claim that Christ was the savior and therefore with that claim they were saved? Peter must have been wrong in answering their question in the way he did for that is not what he said.

here was the text.

38 Peter said to them,“Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying,“[am]Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand [an]souls. 42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and [ao]to prayer.

Notice he had to keep exhorting them to follow thru on the instruction to come to salvation.

So how did Paul not understand this?

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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>This is funny from a group that changed the word immerse to baptize so they could sprinkle.
Seems to me it was Alexander Campbell who changed the word baptize to immerse in his New Testament translation called The Living Oracles.
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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>This is funny from a group that changed the word immerse to baptize so they could sprinkle.
Where did Paul immerse the jailer and his family. They hurried up and built a dunking booth in the jail?

No river or lake in that jail.
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JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>with this great logical thinking anyone can claim anything and be correct.
Exactly what Protestants do.

Where is the Bible does it say the Bible is the sole rule of Faith. Nowhere because the Church is the pillar of Truth and the Bible supplant her teaching.

Jude is the inerrant and inspired word of God only because the Church says it is and you totally agree with that.
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Now lets get to the issue. By you claiming paul put the icing on the cake that must mean that all the other teaching prior to him were wrong about salvation. As you know if a scripture does not harmonize with other scriptures that causes a problem. Can a person have mental belief in God only and be saved? Nowhere in scripture is that idea embraced. Can calling on the name of Lord bring one to salvation? Yes because that is exactly what was said of those on Pentecost. Acts 2:21
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21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
This was in the sermon of Peter. The next question is why the people nor Peter did not understand this was a simple voice confession that had to be done by the person wishing to have salvation. And this voice confession was all that was neeeded. Can you answer that?
Simply all that has to be done is follow what happened next. Here I will paste it.
37 Now when they heard this, they were [aj]pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles,“[ak]Brethren,[al]wha t shall we do?”
What now happens? Does the Crowd come forth and with a voice claim that Christ was the savior and therefore with that claim they were saved? Peter must have been wrong in answering their question in the way he did for that is not what he said.
here was the text.
38 Peter said to them,“Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying,“[am]Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand [an]souls. 42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and [ao]to prayer.
Notice he had to keep exhorting them to follow thru on the instruction to come to salvation.
So how did Paul not understand this?
Oh how low end Prots love getting to the issue.

Yes it does
No it doesnt
Yes is does.
You are not of the Lord
You are of Satan.

All over the same verses. Once again . This was settled 1.5 thousand years ago.

But hey somebody missed something. I know the truth. You don't

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Exactly what Protestants do.
Where is the Bible does it say the Bible is the sole rule of Faith. Nowhere because the Church is the pillar of Truth and the Bible supplant her teaching.
Jude is the inerrant and inspired word of God only because the Church says it is and you totally agree with that.
If a person claims to adhere to words of God only and not the pope or priest system as you do then the final authority is the word and not man.
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JustChristian wrote:
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If a person claims to adhere to words of God only and not the pope or priest system as you do then the final authority is the word and not man.
The Church is the pillar of Truth. It decides what the word of God is and means.

Did not Jesus say , whoever hears you , hears me.

He was not talking about some low end prots in the year 2013.

That is why the Church created the Bible. There were hundreds of scriptures being circulated. First it decided the canon and used that canon to help her teach.

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Church is the pillar of Truth. It decides what the word of God is and means.
Did not Jesus say , whoever hears you , hears me.
He was not talking about some low end prots in the year 2013.
That is why the Church created the Bible. There were hundreds of scriptures being circulated. First it decided the canon and used that canon to help her teach.
That has been proven a false statement even in the first century. Time and again the word of God was used to correct not the church. As a matter of fact the earliest churches were having issues that had to be corrected and not by the church of Jerusalem but by the word of God. Attention to revelation as to how this was done. You denial is simply denial without Deity supporting what you say so it is just mans words. I will stick with Gods words. And by the way the church did not write the book.
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That has been proven a false statement even in the first century. Time and again the word of God was used to correct not the church. As a matter of fact the earliest churches were having issues that had to be corrected and not by the church of Jerusalem but by the word of God. Attention to revelation as to how this was done. You denial is simply denial without Deity supporting what you say so it is just mans words. I will stick with Gods words. And by the way the church did not write the book.
Scott S., why can't you use your name?

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JustChristian wrote:
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That has been proven a false statement even in the first century. Time and again the word of God was used to correct not the church. As a matter of fact the earliest churches were having issues that had to be corrected and not by the church of Jerusalem but by the word of God. Attention to revelation as to how this was done. You denial is simply denial without Deity supporting what you say so it is just mans words. I will stick with Gods words. And by the way the church did not write the book.
Dude you need to find yourself a real history book and not some propaganda from a cult. It is you who are trying to pass off faux history. And no one says the Church "wrote" the book...but it absolutely did make the infallible choices of those manuscripts which were to be included in the Canon. And the Church of Christ denomination had nothing to do with it.
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Where did Paul immerse the jailer and his family. They hurried up and built a dunking booth in the jail?
No river or lake in that jail.
Where did you get the idea it happened in jail house? Here is the text.

31 They said,“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of [n]the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 34 And he brought them into his house and set [o]food before them, and rejoiced [p]greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.

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