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#61 Jul 3, 2013
Mike, do you believe aborted babies and those who die in the womb are covered by the grace ogre God?

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#62 Jul 3, 2013
My neise died before she was a month old. She was yet innocent ... incapable of repentance and belief in Jesus. I believe she was covered by the grace if God.

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#63 Jul 3, 2013
Above should read "by the grace of God." These smart phones do not get my words right sometimes
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Morehead, KY

#64 Jul 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So your children are pagans? They have not said 'the sinners prayer'. They have not been baptized.
According to the Bible what are they?
The word of God does not teach children are pagans. That is a Catholic teaching to draw people to their under their power. They teach that that the salvation of you and your little baby are in their hands. That puts them in a very authoritative position over someone, and make no mistake, the Catholic religion is about power.

Man has taught (JEWS) that there was an age of accountability for children.

Man has taught (CATHOLICS) that a child must be sprinkled by their priest at even the age of a few days to be saved.

The word of God is silent on the matter. Why is that? Because God reserves judgment for HIMSELF and only HIM. Why should God relinquish judgement to man who has fallen into sin and had to be saved by Jesus? No, God will not turn over judgment to man. He alone is God, He alone is judge.

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#65 Jul 3, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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Infants/kids are innocent. I had a childhood friend die in a car accident. I believe he was granted access to God because he was yet a small child. I already posted scripture that shows one must have faith, etc. Infants can't do this.
You believe? You hope? You know? You think? You're sure? You're positive?
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#66 Jul 3, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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RCS = a genuine POS
MarkEden wrote:
So if we can't have infant baptism can we at least bring back nude baptism with everyone rubbed in oil like in the good old days?
I am a little skeptical of Catholic teachings and their motives. In a recent AltarBoy poll 74% of those responding did not trust Catholic motives. Amazing since only 74% of those polled responded.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

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#67 Jul 3, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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You believe? You hope? You know? You think? You're sure? You're positive?
You lost.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#68 Jul 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So your children are pagans? They have not said 'the sinners prayer'. They have not been baptized.
According to the Bible what are they?
The catholics are right about original sin in the sense that they know that all men are in a fallen state without Jesus.

The church of Christ is right that children are kept safe but the age of accountability is questionable, no one knows exactly when that occurs or expires.

Since both catholics and church of christ are in the water baptism "saves" camp they can find common ground there. From this point the mode of water baptism and who administers it, is the issue.

Neither knows exactly how old testament people were saved, both probably believe salvation was based on keeping the law.

However we know that Father Abraham was justified by faith before any law was given. My contention is that we are all saved by faith like Abraham was.

Paul tells us that no law was given that could impart life Gal 3:21. He also said we are saved by Gods grace through our faith. The way I see it is that all generations of people from Adam till now are saved the same way because all are born in a sin/corrupted fallen world. The second Adam has come to give life to the lost.

So, if the water baptism and infallible pope issues were solved and settled we could all be brothers in the one and only Christ Jesus. His blood flows back from the cross to creation and forward to his return.

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#69 Jul 3, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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You believe? You hope? You know? You think? You're sure? You're positive?
Rather than play dodgeball, you tell me where unbaptized babies go when they die.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#70 Jul 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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The catholics are right about original sin in the sense that they know that all men are in a fallen state without Jesus.
The church of Christ is right that children are kept safe but the age of accountability is questionable, no one knows exactly when that occurs or expires.
Since both catholics and church of christ are in the water baptism "saves" camp they can find common ground there. From this point the mode of water baptism and who administers it, is the issue.
Neither knows exactly how old testament people were saved, both probably believe salvation was based on keeping the law.
However we know that Father Abraham was justified by faith before any law was given. My contention is that we are all saved by faith like Abraham was.
Paul tells us that no law was given that could impart life Gal 3:21. He also said we are saved by Gods grace through our faith. The way I see it is that all generations of people from Adam till now are saved the same way because all are born in a sin/corrupted fallen world. The second Adam has come to give life to the lost.
So, if the water baptism and infallible pope issues were solved and settled we could all be brothers in the one and only Christ Jesus. His blood flows back from the cross to creation and forward to his return.
Very good.
Bobby wrote:
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So, if the water baptism and infallible pope issues were solved and settled we could all be brothers in the one and only Christ Jesus. His blood flows back from the cross to creation and forward to his return.
At least we would be closer.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#71 Jul 3, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Very good.
<quoted text>At least we would be closer.
Evangelical churches do not consider water baptism and communion to efficacious/ sacraments. They are ordinances not salvific.

Catholics consider both to be salvific and the coc believe water baptism is salvific but not communion.

It is a matter of grace verses law...

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#72 Jul 3, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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Rather than play dodgeball, you tell me where unbaptized babies go when they die.
I have no idea and neither do you.

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#73 Jul 3, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>You lost.
Your mother did too.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#74 Jul 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Evangelical churches do not consider water baptism and communion to efficacious/ sacraments. They are ordinances not salvific.
Catholics consider both to be salvific and the coc believe water baptism is salvific but not communion.
It is a matter of grace verses law...
I believe Catholics and some Churches of Christ are similar in more ways than they will acknowledge. I know there are differences but they both do have a penchant for the law as you suggest. I am not talking of the commands God has given us but a tendency it seems to drift back under a law of their own, based vaguely upon their interpretations of the word. Similar to the Jews and the Sabbath requiring the need for Jesus to correct their understanding. They were very legal but appear by the scriptures to have been outside the will of God on the matter. I see similarities.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#75 Jul 3, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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The catholics are right about original sin in the sense that they know that all men are in a fallen state without Jesus.
The church of Christ is right that children are kept safe but the age of accountability is questionable, no one knows exactly when that occurs or expires.
Bobby is headed in the right direction. What we have is a theological difference.

"Original sin"- I don't necessarily like the way your post is worded. I agree that man is fallen without Christ, but original sin is more than that. I agree with your main point though. We'll leave that there. "Man is fallen without Christ".

"Age of accountability"- not a term found in scripture. Usually used to say that children are innocent in God's eyes until this point. There are scriptures that support the idea, mainly the idea that those 20 years and under in the wilderness would not be punished for the transgressions on the Exodus; and Romans 7:9 where Paul states he was alive once apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and he died.

Simply put, we here on this forum for the most part believe man is fallen; but infants who cannot believe or repent are innocent until they actually sin themselves. For the most part we do not believe all mankind is guilty of "original sin".
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

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#76 Jul 3, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Your mother did too.
That is an improvement. At least you in a indirect way admit I am part of the human race. Thanks again and just have a nice great big Catholic day.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#77 Jul 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So you speak for God now. You ARE a Pope.
The Bible addresses these according to who?
What did Jesus say about a Bible? nothing
What did Jesus say about the Church? He would protect it until the end of ages. What was the only Church?
Dodgeball expert. The Bible addresses these according to itself.

How about it Mike? Where do unbaptized infants go at death? What is your personal belief?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#78 Jul 3, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Do you think?
Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew.
The first Christians were all Jewish converts.
All of your doctrine comes from a 19th century personal interpretation of the Bible, ignoring 1800 years of Christianity.
Dodgeball. Are you purposefully missing the point? Judaism revived isn't a good thing. You just changed the name and moved the location. It isn't "retaining Jewish flavor"- it's practicing Judaism all the way down to the daily sacrifices. Still under law.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#79 Jul 3, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Rather presumptuous for you to speak for God don't you think? But since you think you can maybe you could tell us what happened after the deaths of the first apostles.
BCV for Welchs and crackers if you please.
BCV for water tank in front if you please.
BCV for pulpit in front of the water tank if you please.
BCV for little tiny cups in nickel plated trays if you please.
Dodgeball. Didn't speak for God. Was asking questions. The question about David is important. When his child died, he said, "He cannot come back to me, but I can go to him". David was a man after God's own heart. He fully expected to be reunited with his son. He surely didn't believe his infant son to be lost.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#80 Jul 3, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Not so fast. There is a naturally progressive order with the great commission.
1. Make disciples of Him. In a Christian home this starts early on, while teaching the child about Jesus, as mentioned on the web site link. The child develops in discipleship if they believe. Then the time comes when they, as disciples, want to be baptized per the very promised commandment of God in Christ as preached by Peter.
2. Then they are taught to continue to grow in and abide in His word - from childhood through adulthood.
Doesn't one have to come to Jesus and knowing Him and what He taught to become a following student of the Master Teacher?
How can one receive the promise of God without belief?
Mike didn't address this. He went other places and totally ignored the Master's statements.

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