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#287 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>It was nothing political. What it shows is Peter was no Pope. Are we going to put the blinders on today about the Catholic practices I linked above? Here (Gal.2)is an example of what the real church does when sin is practiced by it's leaders. It is openly rebuked by the . Did that happen with the nun torture chambers linked above? Is the Pope infallible? Peter was certainly not infallible or he would not have been openly rebuked.
I don't think I've ever come across anyone as consistently preposterous as you.

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#288 Jul 10, 2013
Catholicism alleges that Mary remained a virgin perpetually. She did not (Matthew 1:25; 12:46; 13:55-56; John 2:12). The notion that “virginity” is somehow a holier state than a godly marriage reflects a misguided perception that is contrary to the explicit testimony of the New Testament (1 Timothy 4:1ff; Hebrews 13:4).

Catholics maintain that Mary was conceived “immaculately,” i.e., free from “original sin,” and that she remained sinless forever. The dogma is not true. First, no one is born with “original sin”(Ezekiel 18:20). Second, Mary confessed her need of a Savior (Luke 1:47), thus acknowledging her sinfulness.
Catholicism alleges that when Mary died, her body experienced no corruption; rather, three days following her demise, she was taken bodily into heaven, there to be crowned “Queen of Heaven.” Though Catholic writers concede that this teaching “cannot be proved from the Bible,” it became official dogma (that Catholics must believe) on November 1, 1950 — far too late to be apostolic in origin.

Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary is a “Mediatrix,” between
Christians and Christ, and that she is the “dispenser of graces” by the power of the Holy Spirit — based upon the merits of her crucified Son. No such position is sanctioned in the New Testament. Christ is the “one mediator” between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5).

The Roman Church also advocates the notion that Mary is a “co-redeemer” with Christ. Such an assertion is blasphemous. Jesus is the exclusive way to the Father (John 14:6; cf. Acts 4:11-12).
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#289 Jul 10, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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I don't think I've ever come across anyone as consistently preposterous as you.
It just shows what determination to be the best can do.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#290 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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That's because you don't read the history. Everything is out there. To read early Christian history you can no longer honestly stay protestant
You can read abut the Saints and the sinners.
The Church has kept great records. There have been sinners from within the Church but Jesus has protected the Church from all evil for 2000 years.
]I asked Mark this and I would like your input also. Concerning the links I posted of the nuns that were black veil brides in the Catholic covenants, does the church condone this. According to their reports they were tortured and raped by priests and older nuns. We know the church condones Opus Dei and the practice of corporal mortification. Do they practice suffering as preparation of sorts for the purification of their soul? Can you tell me, specifically if the covenant abuse was sanctioned by the church and if not, what they did about it?
Mike Peterson

United States

#291 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>]I asked Mark this and I would like your input also. Concerning the links I posted of the nuns that were black veil brides in the Catholic covenants, does the church condone this. According to their reports they were tortured and raped by priests and older nuns. We know the church condones Opus Dei and the practice of corporal mortification. Do they practice suffering as preparation of sorts for the purification of their soul? Can you tell me, specifically if the covenant abuse was sanctioned by the church and if not, what they did about it?
From the CCC:#2839384

"It is God's wish that Convents be set up to gratify the sexual gratification of all priests and old nuns. "

As for as corporal mortification all you have to do is re-watch the Da Vinci Code movie and you and find out again everything you need to know.

Pure ignorance.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#292 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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From the CCC:#2839384
"It is God's wish that Convents be set up to gratify the sexual gratification of all priests and old nuns. "
As for as corporal mortification all you have to do is re-watch the Da Vinci Code movie and you and find out again everything you need to know.
Pure ignorance.
I have never watched the Da Vinci Code. Opus Dei does practice corporal mortification and that is easily verified. I am surprised you would be this dishonest, rather than dodging the question. Just convinces me even more that the rest is true.

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#293 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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From the CCC:#2839384
"It is God's wish that Convents be set up to gratify the sexual gratification of all priests and old nuns. "
As for as corporal mortification all you have to do is re-watch the Da Vinci Code movie and you and find out again everything you need to know.
Pure ignorance.
Sproul must have a dark BDSM fantasy he needs to gratify. Would love to see his basement!
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#294 Jul 10, 2013
As in the usual Catholic tradition they exerted two answers.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story...

Q: Why do Opus Dei numeraries do "corporal mortification," using the discipline and the cilice?
Finnerty: "I would say that the idea of making small sacrifices is something that is still very much a part of the life of the church, not just for members of Opus Dei. For example, during Lent, everyone is called to make some sort of sacrifices, such as giving up coffee or whatever …."

Escriva: "Ask Our Lord to help you to take a tough line with yourself, for love of him; to help you apply, with all naturalness, the purifying touch of mortification to everything you do.

"Christ gives us his risen life; he rises in us, if we become sharers in his cross and his death. We should love the cross, self-sacrifice and mortification."
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#295 Jul 10, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Sproul must have a dark BDSM fantasy he needs to gratify. Would love to see his basement!
I imagine you have seen plenty of those type basements. Mine would be boring in comparison if I had a basement. Low end Protestant housing, you know the song and dance.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#296 Jul 10, 2013
I am extremely troubled by the dishonesty of the Catholic representatives on this forum. I would file a complain with the Pope but I am afraid his answer would be(We have no honest Catholics.) This confirms in my opinion the previous links of nun torture and rape by priests in the convents.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story...
Numeraries also regularly practice acts of "corporal mortification" uncommon to most Catholics, which can include flagellating one's buttocks and wearing a spiked chain on one's thighs. Such acts are said to help bolster self-discipline and recall the suffering of Christ.

Official Sanction

As for influence, Opus Dei's founder and central message have been praised by many of the nation's top Catholic leaders, including the late archbishops of Chicago and New York, and the current archbishop of Washington, Cardinal James Hickey.

Support in Rome

Opus Dei's most significant support, though, may be found in Rome, and particularly with the pope's 1982 designation of personal prelature.

The status made Opus Dei's leader equivalent to the head of a religious order, though the organization remains subject to a certain measure of authority of local bishops and dioceses.

"That has a huge significance. The Vatican is saying,'you are totally unique,'" says Martin, the Jesuit priest. "It's highly unusual. It's a symbol of the high personal regard in which the pope holds Opus Dei.
Mike Peterson

United States

#297 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
As in the usual Catholic tradition they exerted two answers.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story...
Q: Why do Opus Dei numeraries do "corporal mortification," using the discipline and the cilice?
Finnerty: "I would say that the idea of making small sacrifices is something that is still very much a part of the life of the church, not just for members of Opus Dei. For example, during Lent, everyone is called to make some sort of sacrifices, such as giving up coffee or whatever …."
Escriva: "Ask Our Lord to help you to take a tough line with yourself, for love of him; to help you apply, with all naturalness, the purifying touch of mortification to everything you do.
"Christ gives us his risen life; he rises in us, if we become sharers in his cross and his death. We should love the cross, self-sacrifice and mortification."
It’s an act of self-denial, of dying to self, that helps us grow in our spiritual life and become more Christ-like.

Jesus actually did command mortification - remember He said 'when you fast', not 'if'.

Fasting (deliberately eating less than you need) is a form of corporal mortification and it was commanded, not just suggested. And it goes beyong just accepting the suffering we're given, since not everyone will be reduced to genuine hunger and most of us in order to fast do have to voluntarily deprive ourselves.

Then you can consider St Paul saying "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be cast away" (1 Cor. 9:27).

Again that implies an active seeking out of mortification and not just accepting what God hands out. And this is in spite of the fact that Paul suffered plenty WITHOUT mortifying his own body!

From St Paul again:'Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church' Col 1:24

Christ commanded us, taking up our crosses (not just accepting them passively) and denying ourselves.

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#298 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>I imagine you have seen plenty of those type basements. Mine would be boring in comparison if I had a basement. Low end Protestant housing, you know the song and dance.
Yeah and I can tell you type with one hand because the other one's busy.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#299 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
It’s an act of self-denial, of dying to self, that helps us grow in our spiritual life and become more Christ-like.
Jesus actually did command mortification - remember He said 'when you fast', not 'if'.
Fasting (deliberately eating less than you need) is a form of corporal mortification and it was commanded, not just suggested. And it goes beyong just accepting the suffering we're given, since not everyone will be reduced to genuine hunger and most of us in order to fast do have to voluntarily deprive ourselves.
Then you can consider St Paul saying "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be cast away" (1 Cor. 9:27).
Again that implies an active seeking out of mortification and not just accepting what God hands out. And this is in spite of the fact that Paul suffered plenty WITHOUT mortifying his own body!
From St Paul again:'Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fill up on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church' Col 1:24
Christ commanded us, taking up our crosses (not just accepting them passively) and denying ourselves.
Of Opes Dei it is said (Numeraries also regularly practice acts of "corporal mortification" uncommon to most Catholics, which can include flagellating one's buttocks and wearing a spiked chain on one's thighs. Such acts are said to help bolster self-discipline and recall the suffering of Christ.}

So given that is true about Ope Dei, then torture chambers for nuns(Black Veil Brides) is a very real possibility. What say ye Mike? I am sure you know the truth. The question is will you acknowledge the truth?
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#300 Jul 10, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Yeah and I can tell you type with one hand because the other one's busy.
When you didn't have a free hand to place a comma after "Yeah" what were you doing? Picking our nose? Or are your posts reflecting your actions by chance?
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#301 Jul 10, 2013
If this guy is not Mark Eden then it surely is one of his relatives. What a guilty look that is in such a white outfit, a real Catholic saint. You know the Catholics are always changing names so this guy being Mark Eden cannot be ruled out.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Paris, France

#302 Jul 10, 2013
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/monsign...

If this guy is not Mark Eden then it surely is one of his relatives. What a guilty look that is in such a white outfit, a real Catholic saint. You know the Catholics are always changing names so this guy being Mark Eden cannot be ruled out.

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#303 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text> When you didn't have a free hand to place a comma after "Yeah" what were you doing? Picking our nose? Or are your posts reflecting your actions by chance?
I can tell by the way you f****d up Opus Dei that I'm correct.

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#304 Jul 10, 2013
and now I can tell you have a real h**d on for me
Barnsweb

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#305 Jul 10, 2013
Error:
Sunday worship instead of the Sabbath.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#306 Jul 10, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
and now I can tell you have a real h**d on for me
You seem to get awfully upset when I post that picture that looks like you. Here is something that will help you. A Catholic priest that saw the light left the church. I know it will help you if you listen. You might even become saved through listening to an ex-priest.

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