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Error: Infant Baptism

There is no scriptural evidence of infants being baptized. Every instance of Christian baptism in the Bible occurred after the reception of the gospel and repentance. The purposes of baptism are lost when infants are baptized.

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Error: Intercession of the Saints

When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, He told them to pray “Our Father in heaven…”(Lk. 11:2). To pray to a created being is idolatry and superstition. The women of Jerusalem were rebuked for making prayer requests to the queen of heaven (Jer. 44:17-22).

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Error: Mary Worship

The term “Mother of God” is a reflection of the idolatrous pedestal upon which they have placed Mary. While true that Jesus is the God-Man, and that Mary gave birth to Him, Jesus pre-existed all creation (Jn. 8:58, Heb. 1:2). Jesus warns us not to exalt Mary (Lk. 11:28).

Mary is elevated to the roles and places of the Trinity. Like the Father, she answers prayer. Like the Son, she mediates grace. Like the Holy Spirit, she superintends our well-being. Jesus is THE mediator (1 Tim. 2:5). It is the Holy Spirit that is our helper and surety, who applies salvation (Jn. 14:16, Rom. 8:26). We should not pray to the queen of heaven (Jer. 7:18, 44:15).

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Error: Daily Mass

The many Masses appeal to prideful religiosity. It enforces the idea that the more we do, the more likely we will attain heaven- a system built on works as a means to merit eternal Life. The truth is, Jesus paid the full price for our salvation (Heb. 10:12).

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Error: Confession to “a priest”

The Catholic is placed into a process of confession of sins to achieve continuing relationship with God. It’s as if his confession merits his standing before God. James says that we are to confess our sins one to another (Jam. 5:16), not to a priest. This confession is to restore us from the temporal consequences of sin, not to get us back into right standing with God. Jesus is our mediator Who forever and always intercedes for us- Heb. 7:25.
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Error: Infant Baptism
There is no scriptural evidence of infants being baptized. Every instance of Christian baptism in the Bible occurred after the reception of the gospel and repentance. The purposes of baptism are lost when infants are baptized.
On what basis do they require children of believers to be baptized at all? Given the silence of the New Testament, why not assume Christian baptism is only for adult converts?

This, of course, would be contrary to historical Christian practice. But so is rejecting infant baptism. As we will see, there is no doubt that the early Church practiced infant baptism; and no Christian objections to this practice were ever voiced until the Reformation.

Luke 18:15–16 tells us that "they were bringing even infants" to Jesus; and he himself related this to the kingdom of God: "Let the children come to me
... for to such belongs the kingdom of God."

When Baptists speak of "bringing someone to Jesus," they mean leading him to faith. But Jesus says "even infants" can be "brought" to him. Even Baptists don’t claim their practice of "dedicating" babies does this. The fact is, the Bible gives us no way of bringing anyone to Jesus apart from baptism.

Thus Peter declared, "Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children" (Acts 2:38–39).

The first explicit evidence of children of believing households being baptized comes from the early Church—where infant baptism was uniformly upheld and regarded as apostolic. In fact, the only reported controversy on the subject was a third-century debate whether or not to delay baptism until the eighth day after birth, like its Old Testament equivalent, circumcision!
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Error: Intercession of the Saints
When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, He told them to pray “Our Father in heaven…”(Lk. 11:2). To pray to a created being is idolatry and superstition. The women of Jerusalem were rebuked for making prayer requests to the queen of heaven (Jer. 44:17-22).
Why don't you say this prayer in your Church? Jesus says to do that.

Thus, in Psalm 103 we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20–21). And in the opening verses of Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!"

Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3–4).

Jesus himself warned us not to offend small children, because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 18:10).

Because he is the only God-man and the Mediator of the New Covenant, Jesus is the only mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1–4). In particular, we should ask the intercession of those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16).
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Error: Daily Mass
The many Masses appeal to prideful religiosity. It enforces the idea that the more we do, the more likely we will attain heaven- a system built on works as a means to merit eternal Life. The truth is, Jesus paid the full price for our salvation (Heb. 10:12).
This is how we interpret the prophecy of Malachi (1:11):“From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the nations; Incense offerings are made to my name everywhere, and a pure offering.” Every day, through the Mass, we can unite ourselves to that offering, repairing for all the sins committed on a daily basis throughout the human family and opening new channels for God’s saving grace to flow into this fallen world.

We also see Holy Communion as a sacrament, not only a symbol. This means that receiving Communion actually increases our union with God, allowing the divine life to nourish and transform our human life. Daily Communion, therefore, is one way God answers our prayer to “give us this day our daily bread.” We become stronger Christians by eating this true manna, this “true bread from heaven” every day, just as the ancient Israelites gathered and ate their miraculous manna every day as they journeyed towards the Promised Land (cf. John 6:32).
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Error: Confession to “a priest”
The Catholic is placed into a process of confession of sins to achieve continuing relationship with God. It’s as if his confession merits his standing before God. James says that we are to confess our sins one to another (Jam. 5:16), not to a priest. This confession is to restore us from the temporal consequences of sin, not to get us back into right standing with God. Jesus is our mediator Who forever and always intercedes for us- Heb. 7:25.
Jesus said,“The Son of Man has the Authority to forgive sins on Earth”(Mark 2:10). But, Jesus, upon his death and resurrection, passed on his authority to forgive sins to the Apostles.

Jesus appeared to his disciples, breathed the Holy Spirit upon them, and said,“Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”(John 20:21-23). This moment, when Jesus breathed on his apostles, began both the institution of the priesthood and the sacrament of confession. Christ gave his first priests, the Apostles, the authority to forgive and retain sins. It was his intention that all sin be forgiven though the Church by a confession of sins to the priests. The apostles passed on this authority to the Bishops and Priests.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms this; “In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church….‘I will give you the Keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.’‘Since Christ entrusted to his apostles the ministry of reconciliation, bishops who are their successors, and priests, the bishops’ collaborators, continue to exercise this ministry.”(CCC 1444,1461)
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Mark is saying on this thread that he loves mike and hates Jesus Creed:-)
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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In particular, we should ask the intercession of those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16).
Speaking of error, I suppose there is scripture for this. The verse you gave is plainly speaking of persons in the flesh here on earth.
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Marriage valid in Catholic church only.
Catholics would have you believe they instituted marriage. According to Catholic teaching today the marriage of Peter would actually be considered living outside of wedlock since he was not married in the Catholic church. Not to worry though, soon as he became Pope he forgave himself. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
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Simple question- when does an infant repent?
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Roman nor Protestant Churches believe God still wants us to observe the Sabbath as He gave before to Moses or Adam. If He didn't set aside the other commandments, why do both Catholics and Protestants and Church of Christ and LDS insist on keeping Sunday, when God said the seventh day is set apart from the others?

Since it was the Jews who had certain ideas about days and months and what they ate - it seems more likely to me that Paul was writing to Jews in Col. 2.

Another perspective comes out of Heb 4, that we are to rest from our works as God did from His, that there remains a Sabbath. When did God ever rest from His works, but on the seventh day? This passage also seems to say the day still stands. Not to mention what Jesus had to say about it.

If the day doesn't matter, what's the beef with those who believe it does?

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Dave P wrote:
Simple question- when does an infant repent?
Exactly! Is repentance [Acts 2:38] a requirement for one to be added to the Body- the church? Original sin?- I think not. Babies are innocent thus do not need to repent nor be baptized.

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What does the Catechism of the Catholic Church teach:

389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the "reverse side" of the Good News that Jesus is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. The Church, which has the mind of Christ, 263 knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.

402 All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as St. Paul affirms: "By one man's disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290

403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the "death of the soul".291 Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.292

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man". 293 By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state. 294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual, 295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

406 The Church's teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine's reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam's fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).
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Dave P wrote:
Simple question- when does an infant repent?
Even the original protesters believed in infant baptism. Only since 1800 has the doctrine of not including your children in the Kingdom of God became mainstream.

The Bible says it is the new circumcision. The only argument for 1800 years was whether you had to wait 8 days to baptize a baby.

Fundamentalist prots are the only ones who reject Jesus' command to "let the children come to me."

Why force your kids to go to Church and don't allow them to become Christians.

Why do you want to keep your children pagans? You feed, clothe and give them medical care, but you don't give them to Jesus.
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http://www.onediscipletoanother.org/id6.html

Coming to Jesus as a child doesn't necessarily mean to be baptized, but to know Him and hear what He says. That's what discipleship is about, and yes, children come to love Him as well as adults. Immersion into His name isn't done until one is a disciple - at least that's what He said in the great commission in Matt. 28.
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Barnsweb wrote:
http://www.onediscipletoanothe r.org/id6.html
Coming to Jesus as a child doesn't necessarily mean to be baptized, but to know Him and hear what He says. That's what discipleship is about, and yes, children come to love Him as well as adults. Immersion into His name isn't done until one is a disciple - at least that's what He said in the great commission in Matt. 28.
You don't become a Christian until baptism.

There would have not been 1 Jewish convert if their children were not included. Since Circumcision , thousands of years before Christ, God has included children in the Kingdom.
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R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
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Marriage valid in Catholic church only.
Catholics would have you believe they instituted marriage. According to Catholic teaching today the marriage of Peter would actually be considered living outside of wedlock since he was not married in the Catholic church. Not to worry though, soon as he became Pope he forgave himself. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
You are so ignorant of history. All Jews were married through the Church. Wedding feast of Cana ring a bell for you.

Of course Peter was married in the Jewish "church". He was a good Jew.

Stupid post wasn't it?

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