Johnny Robertson’s church of Christ
Mike Peterson

United States

#104 Feb 18, 2014
Dave P wrote:
http://www.christianuniverse.c om/doctrine/cochist/coctime.ht m
A good historical timeline of religious history from beginning to present. Notice the comments at the end.
A protester is just a protester. They are high end, closer to the 1500 protesters and the low end, closer to the 1800 protesters.

The early history of the Church is completely wrong in this timeline.

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#105 Feb 19, 2014
Dave P wrote:
JustChristian- Show us the catholic church between 33 AD and 364AD.
Mike replied with a quote from Ignatius- Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Date 105 AD.
JustChristian replied- By the way I missed that Catholic church referenced by that name in the time frame I asked.
*There it is. 105 AD. It appears, in name, at least. If you play the history game with catholics, you are going to lose.
Was asking for it in the bible but thanks for you comment.

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#106 Feb 19, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Are you serious that you admit you are so ignorant of history.
I can give hundreds if not thousands of examples. Here is always a good. A disicple of John, St Ignatius in 105.
Now give your example of anybody from the COC before 1700.
Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would look upon the Lord Himself, standing, as he does, before the Lord. As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do ye anything without the bishop and presbyters. Be ye subject to the bishop as to the Lord, for 'he watches for your souls, as one that shall give account to God.' In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church. See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. He who honors the bishop has been honored by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Give ye heed to the bishop, that God also may give heed to you. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters, and to the deacons.” St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
The most important event to come to the earth was the Church of Christ and yes it appeared before your historical accounts. Now get to the real history which was why I stated 33AD to 345 AD. Revelation the final book of the bible states those whom were members of the church that was established. The most clear example both historically and biblically is John the author however there is yet another that you did not want to mention. I would suggest you look in Chapter two and three to find that members name. And that trumps your false naming of the Catholic church that you did not mention till latter in History. The church of Christ had been established. When did you get someone to mention the Catholic Church was established? Yep I dont have to follow you history to see the church existence. Call me ignorant and low life that is common technique when one is wrong in their thoughts.

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#107 Feb 19, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious that you admit you are so ignorant of history.
I can give hundreds if not thousands of examples. Here is always a good. A disicple of John, St Ignatius in 105.
Now give your example of anybody from the COC before 1700.
Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would look upon the Lord Himself, standing, as he does, before the Lord. As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do ye anything without the bishop and presbyters. Be ye subject to the bishop as to the Lord, for 'he watches for your souls, as one that shall give account to God.' In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church. See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. He who honors the bishop has been honored by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Give ye heed to the bishop, that God also may give heed to you. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters, and to the deacons.” St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
Now here is your challenge to bring me from my ignorance. Get your bible out if you have one and show me the Catholic Church in the bible which are the words of God that God promised would not only last for all times but would divide both bone and marrow. That claim means that there is no need to have a church to overrule the bible. You can not hang on both. Make your claim. Is the bible the true word of God? or is the RCC the only pillar of truth?

The claim of the Catholic church to be the true and original church is a valid claim if and only if the teaching and practice of the Catholic church agrees with the New Testament (2 Tim. 3:16,17; I Cor. 14:37; Matt. 7:15-27; 2 John 9-11; Gal. 1:6-9; I John 2:3-6; John 8:31,32).

Now get you bible and show the catholic church for I did show the church of Christ in the bible.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#108 Feb 19, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
A protester is just a protester. They are high end, closer to the 1500 protesters and the low end, closer to the 1800 protesters.
The early history of the Church is completely wrong in this timeline.
This was more intended for the protester, the coc members out there. Of course you don't agree with it. But they should at least acknowledge where they actually came from.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#109 Feb 19, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Was asking for it in the bible but thanks for you comment.
If you were asking for it in the Bible why did you give him a timeline extending to the 300s AD?
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#110 Feb 19, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
The claim of the Catholic church to be the true and original church is a valid claim if and only if the teaching and practice of the Catholic church agrees with the New Testament (2 Tim. 3:16,17; I Cor. 14:37; Matt. 7:15-27; 2 John 9-11; Gal. 1:6-9; I John 2:3-6; John 8:31,32).
Now get you bible and show the catholic church for I did show the church of Christ in the bible.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 is being used out of context. As is 1 Corinthians 14:37; Matthew 7; 2 John; Galatians 1; 1 John 2; and John 8. None of these individually or together make any case for the point you're trying to make. Forget out of context, you have no context with these verses.

Find verses that actually make the case. Are there any? Another question- are there actually ANY churches that practice and teach EXACTLY as the first century church did? If there are, why did the agape love feast pass away into the dust bin of history? Shouldn't we be practicing it? After all, the first Christians did.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#113 Feb 22, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>The most important event to come to the earth was the Church of Christ and yes it appeared before your historical accounts. Now get to the real history which was why I stated 33AD to 345 AD. Revelation the final book of the bible states those whom were members of the church that was established. The most clear example both historically and biblically is John the author however there is yet another that you did not want to mention. I would suggest you look in Chapter two and three to find that members name. And that trumps your false naming of the Catholic church that you did not mention till latter in History. The church of Christ had been established. When did you get someone to mention the Catholic Church was established? Yep I dont have to follow you history to see the church existence. Call me ignorant and low life that is common technique when one is wrong in their thoughts.
First, saying "The most important event to come to the earth was the Church of Christ" will get you some heat over on the other thread.

Second, you going somewhere with Jezebel? Or the Nicolaitans?

Again, you gave a timeframe from 33-345 AD, then attempt to trash him because his quote is from within your timeframe? Not to mention that there is no record of any church of Christ as we are speaking of in the scripture? Romans 16 wasn't written to the "Church of Christ" at Rome as we call things today.

When is the first time that "church of Christ" is used in the sense we are talking about, and what group is being spoken of?
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#114 Feb 22, 2014
JustChristian said, Is the bible the true word of God? or is the RCC the only pillar of truth?

From what Mike has said, he does believe the Bible is the innerant word of God. And the Bible itself calls the church the pillar and ground of the truth. The Bible is the truth, and the church supports it.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#115 Feb 22, 2014
Dave P wrote:
JustChristian said, Is the bible the true word of God? or is the RCC the only pillar of truth?
From what Mike has said, he does believe the Bible is the innerant word of God. And the Bible itself calls the church the pillar and ground of the truth. The Bible is the truth, and the church supports it.
Very slight correction. It is the inerrant written word of God. It is not the only word of God.

And it is the inerrant word of God only because the Council of Carthage in the late 4th Century said it was.
Jim

Wadesboro, NC

#116 Feb 22, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were asking for it in the Bible why did you give him a timeline extending to the 300s AD?
I guess this post will do even if its old. You followed me back to Cookeville Dave. Man on man who are you and are you a member of the church. I just dont understand what is so hard about understanding the bible.

People beware Davey boy has alot to say so get some pop corn and enjoy the show. PS how did you get back from Tn so quick.
Jim

Wadesboro, NC

#117 Feb 22, 2014
Christian Universe is dedicated to promoting the gospel of Christ, touching the hearts of those who are searching for the truth, and encouraging a study of the Bible as the written word of God. Please support me in this effort. Bernie Parsons

I have also heard from disgruntled members of the churches of Christ, who take exception to some of my articles, but also some members who write to encourage me to keep up the good work. I have heard from people around the world.

http://www.christianuniverse.com/thesite/mymi...

Yeah this guy looks to be a good source to get information Dave. LOL
Money Money Money all he wants why dont you give him some.

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Go to school and learn about finding sources. You go to a baptist source to find truth about his enemy.Do you think you can go to a Ford website and find good stuff on Chevy. Come on get with it.
Jim

Wadesboro, NC

#118 Feb 22, 2014
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned Mark 16:16 (ESV
Believe + Baptism = Saved

Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38 (ESV
Repent + Baptism = Saved

Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God
John 3:4-5 (ESV
Baptism + Word = Saved

5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5 (ESV
Baptism + Spirit = Saved

For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body— Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Cor 12:12-13 (ESV
Spirit + Baptism = Saved

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water(baptism) with the word, Eph 5:25-26 (ESV
Baptism + word = Saved

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. 1 Peter 1:23 (KJV

Then Acts 2:41-47 Acts 8 :12 Acts 8:13 Acts 8:38-39 Acts 9:18 Acts 10:48 Acts 16:15
Acts 16:33 Acts 18:8 Acts 19:5 Example of Water Baptism.

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead Col 2:12 (KJV
PLEASE READ operation what is God operating on (my soul) The act of Faith (baptism) remove sins.

Last one I’m tired.
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin.

Romans 6:1-7 (ESV
Please read # 7 ok read it again and again just one more time. Now who is the one in verse 7

Read # 3 and you know read it again and again # 3. See the one set free is the one who is baptized. Please read these again this is not a joke my topics friend.

Look how much bible I put and look how much words without bible you will need to break it. Get my point.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#119 Feb 23, 2014
Jim wrote:
Christian Universe is dedicated to promoting the gospel of Christ, touching the hearts of those who are searching for the truth, and encouraging a study of the Bible as the written word of God. Please support me in this effort. Bernie Parsons
I have also heard from disgruntled members of the churches of Christ, who take exception to some of my articles, but also some members who write to encourage me to keep up the good work. I have heard from people around the world.
http://www.christianuniverse.com/thesite/mymi...
Yeah this guy looks to be a good source to get information Dave. LOL
Money Money Money all he wants why dont you give him some.
You can also donate using your credit card or PayPal funds, either one, by sending a PayPal payment to Click here for e-mail address
Go to school and learn about finding sources. You go to a baptist source to find truth about his enemy.Do you think you can go to a Ford website and find good stuff on Chevy. Come on get with it.
Jim:

What does God say is the pillar of Truth? You go there, not your protester website to find the Truth. That is just your opinion. Every protester has on.

Does whoever hear you hear Jesus. Do you bind and loose on Earth and that is accepted in heaven? Do you forgive sins or not which are then done in heaven?

You are just another protester to God's Church.

Add to your reading list, Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham. 1911. You can find it free online.

It is not too late for you to come to the Body of Christ.
Jim

Charlotte, NC

#120 Feb 23, 2014
Yep that what im do believe Henry Graham. I bet you believe me if i told you i can walk on water. I should write a book because im sure someone would believe it. I think i would title is we come from aliens. I hope you get to know the pope and kiss his ring for me HA HA HA. man on man where do you get your pot from. Like im going to become a Catholic and not a christian.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#121 Feb 23, 2014
Jim said, Man on man who are you and are you a member of the church. I just dont understand what is so hard about understanding the bible.
*My name is Dave P. I am a coc member in KY. The Bible isn't hard to understand, but what many in the coc do to it is. You came here a week or two ago, carpetbombed a post supporting good ol' JR and left. Returning the favor.
Jim said, after posting tons of verses about baptism, Look how much bible I put and look how much words without bible you will need to break it. Get my point.
*I have no issue with baptism Jim. Others do, but not I. But baptism isn't the only Bible doctrine is it?
Jim gave this link- http://www.christianuniverse.com/thesite/mymi ...
*Jim do you agree or disagree with this guy?
Jim

Charlotte, NC

#122 Feb 23, 2014
Dave P wrote:
Jim said, Man on man who are you and are you a member of the church. I just dont understand what is so hard about understanding the bible.
*My name is Dave P. I am a coc member in KY. The Bible isn't hard to understand, but what many in the coc do to it is. You came here a week or two ago, carpetbombed a post supporting good ol' JR and left. Returning the favor.
Jim said, after posting tons of verses about baptism, Look how much bible I put and look how much words without bible you will need to break it. Get my point.
*I have no issue with baptism Jim. Others do, but not I. But baptism isn't the only Bible doctrine is it?
Jim gave this link- http://www.christianuniverse.com/thesite/mymi ...
*Jim do you agree or disagree with this guy?
Ok Dave i am confused and I support Mr. Robertson and you if you are teaching right. NO i dont support that link i was showing you who the link is. Read my post. What carpetbombed are you talking about. Have a good week
Jim to Dave

Charlotte, NC

#123 Feb 23, 2014
The church of Christ is world wide and Brother Johnny is doing a great job and i wish all the gospel preaches had his heart. I wish i did but i could not keep as cool as he does. Peace out from Cookeville Tn

You must have missed this on the prev page.

you say you dont believe the same as we do, how do you even know. That doesn't sound like righteous judgement.

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#124 Feb 24, 2014
Dave P wrote:
JustChristian said, Is the bible the true word of God? or is the RCC the only pillar of truth?
From what Mike has said, he does believe the Bible is the innerant word of God. And the Bible itself calls the church the pillar and ground of the truth. The Bible is the truth, and the church supports it.
Your almost there keep your thinking cap on
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#125 Feb 24, 2014
Jim to Dave wrote:
The church of Christ is world wide and Brother Johnny is doing a great job and i wish all the gospel preaches had his heart. I wish i did but i could not keep as cool as he does. Peace out from Cookeville Tn
You must have missed this on the prev page.
you say you dont believe the same as we do, how do you even know. That doesn't sound like righteous judgement.
If you agree with much of JR's theology and methods then we are not in agreement. As for the link on the other post, I do agree with much of what he posted. Not everything, but much of it.

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