Johnny Robertsonís church of Christ
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#84 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> There is but one true church and yes those of us that are in that church are the one's that are saved, you to can be in that church if you desire to become a Christian. Go to the nearest Church of Christ and study with them and when you're ready, by believing that Jesus is the Son of God then be baptized and you to are saved. There are some Churches of Christ that have gone astray from the truth and that would be those that use instruments, which I urge you to stay away from.
If you are the true church, why is it so small and 1/2 of your members are in Tennessee and Texas? Jesus must like orange. It is a man made church started in 1800 after the civil war when the Christian Church broke up into the Disciples of Christ and Church of Christ.

The Church of Christ were the southern pro-slavery part of the Christian Church. They had no or very little instruments because of the war and used that to differentiate themselves from everybody else.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#85 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Sir I will refrain from calling you a loser but I will have to tell you that as you are right now, your soul is lost and I urge you to listen to them so you can get right in the eyes of God. We are not a cult, no slavery is imposed on anyone, I would like for you to elaborate more on what you mean by slavery though, if you don't mind. What church do you attend? There is but one church talked about in the bible, why are you not able to see that if I may ask? Please let me know of the things that bother you and maybe I can help you see what you may be having trouble seeing.
Show me the Church of Christ between AD 100 and AD 1800. Show me any mention in historical writings. Name one great Church of Christ leader during that time.

Wait I know, the church went underground along with the trail of tears Baptists.

Completely asinine. You are just another one of the 40,000 protester churches.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#86 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> The Churches of Christ never used instruments, even when Jesus was with his apostles they sung. I do know of Churches of Christ that have started using instruments and that's sad. Those Churches of Christ who have strayed from the truth by adding instruments are to be looked upon as any man made church because of their sin in not worshipping in spirit and in truth...
1. Churches of Christ never used instruments. I assume you mean the church from the first century onward. If so, PROVE IT. Let me help you. This has been debated ad nauseum here. You cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether the first Christians used instruments or not exclusively. Plus, to use early history, you must use Catholic history to attempt to prove your points. You ready to do that? The Bible is also very clear what a psalm is. Can you prove the meaning of psalm changed from when David and others wrote them to when Paul used the term, BIBLICALLY?

2. The Law revealed what sin was. Where did the law declare instrumental music sin?

3. Aren't you missing the point of "in spirit and in truth"?

You may believe you're working for the Lord, but you may very well be working against Him.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#87 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Explain to me why you feel this way.
The insistence that use of instrumental music in "worship" is sin is one reason I feel this way. The idea that we go to a man-made temple to "worship" in 5 specific acts is another. The abuse of the term "authority" is another. The condemnation of others who believe in Jesus Christ also is another reason. The hermeneutical inconsistency is another- the holy kiss idea is a great example.

Simple question- where is the command to sing during a worship service found at?
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#88 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> God made man to be the head of the household and in church service. It's the same way as far as preaching, serving the Lord's supper, leading prayer, song leader , man is to be the one that God wants doing these positions..
BCV for church service; men serving the Lords' supper, song leader. Can you find it, or did someone just tell you this?
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#89 Feb 9, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are the true church, why is it so small and 1/2 of your members are in Tennessee and Texas? Jesus must like orange. It is a man made church started in 1800 after the civil war when the Christian Church broke up into the Disciples of Christ and Church of Christ.
The Church of Christ were the southern pro-slavery part of the Christian Church. They had no or very little instruments because of the war and used that to differentiate themselves from everybody else.
Jesus must like singing Rocky Top and giving the "Hook em Horns" sign. LOL.
Dave P

Hillsboro, KY

#90 Feb 9, 2014
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Sir I will refrain from calling you a loser but I will have to tell you that as you are right now, your soul is lost and I urge you to listen to them so you can get right in the eyes of God. We are not a cult, no slavery is imposed on anyone, I would like for you to elaborate more on what you mean by slavery though, if you don't mind. What church do you attend? There is but one church talked about in the bible, why are you not able to see that if I may ask? Please let me know of the things that bother you and maybe I can help you see what you may be having trouble seeing.
*How do you get to determine the status of someone's soul?
*Not a cult, no slavery imposed? Many of us here would disagree- and I am a member of the COC.

Since: May 10

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#91 Feb 13, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me the Church of Christ between AD 100 and AD 1800. Show me any mention in historical writings. Name one great Church of Christ leader during that time.
Wait I know, the church went underground along with the trail of tears Baptists.
Completely asinine. You are just another one of the 40,000 protester churches.
Show us the catholic church between 33 AD and 364AD. Wont find it. Tell us was it underground fro fear of the roman government? Show us the pope in the bible and all the other false ideas that the catholics claimed and changed as they were attacked as wrong. How you like your pope now as he is slowly starting to change your group into say Homosexuals are ok. They should have done that long ago as there have been so many problem with that choice and your group.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#92 Feb 13, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Show us the catholic church between 33 AD and 364AD. Wont find it. Tell us was it underground fro fear of the roman government? Show us the pope in the bible and all the other false ideas that the catholics claimed and changed as they were attacked as wrong. How you like your pope now as he is slowly starting to change your group into say Homosexuals are ok. They should have done that long ago as there have been so many problem with that choice and your group.
Are you serious that you admit you are so ignorant of history.

I can give hundreds if not thousands of examples. Here is always a good. A disicple of John, St Ignatius in 105.

Now give your example of anybody from the COC before 1700.

Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would look upon the Lord Himself, standing, as he does, before the Lord. As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do ye anything without the bishop and presbyters. Be ye subject to the bishop as to the Lord, for 'he watches for your souls, as one that shall give account to God.' In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church. See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. He who honors the bishop has been honored by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Give ye heed to the bishop, that God also may give heed to you. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters, and to the deacons.Ē St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#93 Feb 13, 2014
Show me the Bible in the Bible.
Dave P

Grayson, KY

#94 Feb 16, 2014
I guess "Working for the Lord" means carpetbombing a few posts, ignoring the rebuttals, and running for cover and not responding.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#95 Feb 16, 2014
Dave P wrote:
I guess "Working for the Lord" means carpetbombing a few posts, ignoring the rebuttals, and running for cover and not responding.
And making a living "Working for the Lord". There are many rich and middle class Protestants doing that.

The Lord always call them to a higher salary church. Imagine that.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#96 Feb 17, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious that you admit you are so ignorant of history.
I can give hundreds if not thousands of examples. Here is always a good. A disicple of John, St Ignatius in 105.
Now give your example of anybody from the COC before 1700.
Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would look upon the Lord Himself, standing, as he does, before the Lord. As therefore the Lord did nothing without the Father, being united to Him, neither by Himself nor by the apostles, so neither do ye anything without the bishop and presbyters. Be ye subject to the bishop as to the Lord, for 'he watches for your souls, as one that shall give account to God.' In like manner, let all reverence the deacons as an appointment of Jesus Christ, and the bishop as Jesus Christ, who is the Son of the Father, and the presbyters as the Sanhedrin of God, and assembly of the apostles. Apart from these, there is no Church. See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. He who honors the bishop has been honored by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Give ye heed to the bishop, that God also may give heed to you. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters, and to the deacons.Ē St. Ignatius of Antioch, "Epistle to the Smyrnaeans," c. 105 A.D.
St John and you can see him in Revelation.

By the way I missed that Catholic church referenced by that name in the time frame I asked.
Jim

Charlotte, NC

#97 Feb 17, 2014
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me the Church of Christ between AD 100 and AD 1800. Show me any mention in historical writings. Name one great Church of Christ leader during that time.
Wait I know, the church went underground along with the trail of tears Baptists.
Completely asinine. You are just another one of the 40,000 protester churches.
http://www.traces-of-the-kingdom.org/

Paul was in the church of Christ my friend.16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
Romans 16:16 (KJV

Im not even from Martinsville, Va

The church of Christ is world wide and Brother Johnny is doing a great job and i wish all the gospel preaches had his heart. I wish i did but i could not keep as cool as he does. Peace out from Cookeville Tn
Dave P

Winder, GA

#98 Feb 18, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.traces-of-the-kingdom.org/
Paul was in the church of Christ my friend.16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
Romans 16:16 (KJV
Im not even from Martinsville, Va
The church of Christ is world wide and Brother Johnny is doing a great job and i wish all the gospel preaches had his heart. I wish i did but i could not keep as cool as he does. Peace out from Cookeville Tn
Jim, we've seen that site before. If I remember right, some of the guys mentioned were in the "Top 10 Baptists of all time" list.

Cookeville Tennessee. Half of the coc is in Tennessee. The other majority is in Texas. Elsewhere we don't believe as you do. Yet it is "worldwide"?
Dave P

Winder, GA

#99 Feb 18, 2014
JustChristian- Show us the catholic church between 33 AD and 364AD.

Mike replied with a quote from Ignatius- Wherever the bishop appears, let the congregation be there also. Just as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. Date 105 AD.

JustChristian replied- By the way I missed that Catholic church referenced by that name in the time frame I asked.

*There it is. 105 AD. It appears, in name, at least. If you play the history game with catholics, you are going to lose.
Dave P

Winder, GA

#100 Feb 18, 2014
Let's have some honesty and reality in this discussion, because it seems the criteria gets changed sometimes.

*The term "churches" of Christ is in the Bible, but the idea of the "church of Christ" is not. When this debate goes on, the coc will ask other groups "Where is the Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, etc mentioned in the Bible?" Mike asked for an example, and was simply given John as a response.

I think what is needed is one simple thing- when is the earliest mention of the "church of Christ" AS WE KNOW IT in history? In POST Biblical writings? And not simply a name designated for the catholic church, other groups, etc. When does the coc as an institution appear in post Biblical history?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#101 Feb 18, 2014
http://church-of-christ.org/who.html#restore

The Historical background of the Restoration Movement
One of the earliest advocates of the return to New Testament Christianity, as a means of achieving unity of all believers in Christ, was James O'Kelly of the Methodist Episcopal Church. In 1793 he withdrew from the Baltimore conference of his church and called upon others to join him in taking the Bible as the only creed. His influence was largely felt in Virginia and North Carolina where history records that some seven thousand communicants followed his leadership toward a return to primitive New Testament Christianity.

In 1802 a similar movement among the Baptists in New England was led by Abner Jones and Elias Smith. They were concerned about "denominational names and creeds" and decided to wear only the name Christian, taking Bible as their only guide. In 1804, in the western frontier state of Kentucky, Barton W. Stone and several other Presbyterian preachers took similar action declaring that they would take the Bible as the "only sure guide to heaven." Thomas Campbell, and his illustrious son, Alexander Campbell, took similar steps in the year 1809 in what is now the state of West Virginia. They contended that nothing should be bound upon Christians as a matter of doctrine which is not as old as the New Testament. Although these four movements were completely independent in their beginnings eventually they became one strong restoration movement because of their common purpose and plea. These men did not advocate the starting of a new church, but rather a return to Christ's church as described in the Bible.

Members of the church of Christ do not conceive of themselves as a new church started near the beginning of the 19th century. Rather, the whole movement is designed to reproduce in contemporary times the church originally established on Pentecost, A.D. 30. The strength of the appeal lies in the restoration of Christ's original church.

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How many churches of Christ are there?
The most recent dependable estimate lists more than 15,000 individual churches of Christ. The "Christian Herald," a general religious publication which presents statistics concerning all the churches, estimates that the total membership of the churches of Christ is now 2,000,000. There are more than 7000 men who preach publicly. Membership of the church is heaviest in the southern states of the United States, particularly Tennessee and Texas, though congregations exist in each of the fifty states and in more than eighty foreign countries.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#102 Feb 18, 2014
http://www.churchofchrist-tl.org/about.html
*This one is what a splinter of the Mormon church believes. Very similar to our good old coc.

*Worldwide there are some 20,000 congregations of churches of Christ with a total of 21/2 to 3 million individual members. There are small congregations, consisting of just a few members--and large ones made up of several thousand members.

The greatest concentration of numerical strength in churches of Christ is in the southern United States where, for instance, there are about 40,000 members in some 135 congregations in Nashville, Tennessee. Or, in Dallas, Texas, where there are approximately 36,000 members in 69 congregations. In such states as Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Kentucky--and others--there is a church of Christ in practically every town, no matter how large or small.
http://cconline.faithsite.com/content.asp...
While the number of congregations and members is not so numerous in other places, there are churches of Christ in every state in the United States and in 109 other countries.

The above is identical to the first post. Notice most are in Tennessee, Texas, the southern US, and only 109 countries. The church isn't in every country in the world?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#103 Feb 18, 2014
http://www.christianuniverse.com/doctrine/coc...

A good historical timeline of religious history from beginning to present. Notice the comments at the end.

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