Johnny Robertson’s church of Christ

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#44 Oct 1, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Do you practice this Holy Kiss command or not?
I'm not in the Church of Christ cult. I have freedom. It's the Church of Christ that imposes slavery on people. Slavery to rules and regulations and the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law and get rid of it.

I don't do kissing and our church has instruments. Your church doesn't kiss and doesn't have instruments. According to the CoC we are all sinning.

Church of Christ is a gang of cultists. There is nothing to discuss with them. Mark Mcminnis and Micah Robertson running around like idiots wanting people to "discuss" with them. They only want attention because they're such losers.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#45 Oct 1, 2013
Bring it up to hopefully make us think about how we read and interpret our Bibles.

JC, the whole thing I am trying to do is to get you to show everyone your thought process about how interpretations and commands work in your mindset. Olethros gets it. You can't selectively pick and choose what commands to follow and what to change without reasons, then judge others for doing other things.

Coc interpretation, CENI is not consistent.

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#46 Oct 2, 2013
Y'all crack me up!
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#47 Oct 2, 2013
Olethros wrote:
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I'm not in the Church of Christ cult. I have freedom. It's the Church of Christ that imposes slavery on people. Slavery to rules and regulations and the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law and get rid of it.
I don't do kissing and our church has instruments. Your church doesn't kiss and doesn't have instruments. According to the CoC we are all sinning.
Church of Christ is a gang of cultists. There is nothing to discuss with them. Mark Mcminnis and Micah Robertson running around like idiots wanting people to "discuss" with them. They only want attention because they're such losers.
Man. That is awesome. You are free to believe anything you want.

Nobody again will tell what to beleive. You and Jesus has it all figured out.

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#48 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Bring it up to hopefully make us think about how we read and interpret our Bibles.
JC, the whole thing I am trying to do is to get you to show everyone your thought process about how interpretations and commands work in your mindset. Olethros gets it. You can't selectively pick and choose what commands to follow and what to change without reasons, then judge others for doing other things.
Coc interpretation, CENI is not consistent.
lol right. Thats whats your doing. Did you ever answer whether you believed the kiss thing is a command for the christian today or are you just causing problems and calling it thinking.

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#49 Oct 2, 2013
Olethros wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not in the Church of Christ cult. I have freedom. It's the Church of Christ that imposes slavery on people. Slavery to rules and regulations and the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law and get rid of it.
I don't do kissing and our church has instruments. Your church doesn't kiss and doesn't have instruments. According to the CoC we are all sinning.
Church of Christ is a gang of cultists. There is nothing to discuss with them. Mark Mcminnis and Micah Robertson running around like idiots wanting people to "discuss" with them. They only want attention because they're such losers.
But your demanding kissing on the cult group?

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#50 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Bring it up to hopefully make us think about how we read and interpret our Bibles.
JC, the whole thing I am trying to do is to get you to show everyone your thought process about how interpretations and commands work in your mindset. Olethros gets it. You can't selectively pick and choose what commands to follow and what to change without reasons, then judge others for doing other things.
Coc interpretation, CENI is not consistent.
By the way I dont need your biased reasoning to show others my thoughts unless they cant think for themselves and if that is true jump in with the catholics and be told what to do. Or are you assuming the role of pope here on topix? your a hoot.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#51 Oct 2, 2013
Here's where this started...

jparker: Acts 2:38 was a commandment. And the reaction of the Christians was amazing. Verses 39-45 tells us how enthusiastic they were. How they chose to live we don't know if it was permanent or temporary. But we do know vs. 45 was NOT A COMMANDMENT AS WAS VS. 38.

I replied... You might not want to play the "commandment" game, because the coc disregards certain commandments the apostles explicitly gave. Holy kiss anyone? Who gave the coc authority to change it to the holy handshake; explain it isn't really a command; say it's just culture; etc.

COC interpretation leaves a lot to be desired.

JC- Do you believe an follow that command or do you just bring that up to cause an argument?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#52 Oct 2, 2013
1. How does this cause problems? And if it does, that problem started a long time before I got onto it.

JC- By the way I dont need your biased reasoning to show others my thoughts unless they cant think for themselves.

Maybe you do- you keep going in circles asking questions on everything.

Let's make this simple. You stated several months ago that the apostles used the holy handshake, the right hand of fellowship, instead of the holy kiss. You said the holy kiss was not commanded for us. Prove it, and give us your reasoning.

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#53 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Here's where this started...
jparker: Acts 2:38 was a commandment. And the reaction of the Christians was amazing. Verses 39-45 tells us how enthusiastic they were. How they chose to live we don't know if it was permanent or temporary. But we do know vs. 45 was NOT A COMMANDMENT AS WAS VS. 38.
I replied... You might not want to play the "commandment" game, because the coc disregards certain commandments the apostles explicitly gave. Holy kiss anyone? Who gave the coc authority to change it to the holy handshake; explain it isn't really a command; say it's just culture; etc.
COC interpretation leaves a lot to be desired.
JC- Do you believe an follow that command or do you just bring that up to cause an argument?
Who cares where it started lets let you finish it. Simple question. Do you believe for you as a christian that the Holy Kiss as listed in the bible is a command to be obeyed or disobeyed. Simple question give yes or no.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#54 Oct 2, 2013
JC- I cant remember whom on here was all hyped up about the coc people not practicing the Holy Kiss thing and was calling it a command. I found a scripture that proves that the Holy Kiss was not a command nor practiced by the early Christians.

It is Galatians
Galatians 2:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision

Dave-
How does that verse negate Romans 16:16 and 1 Corinthians 16:20? The word "greet" in both is aspasasthe, an aorist middle imperative- a command.

Mark Eden- Osculo Sancto

Romans 16:16
I Corinthians 16:20
II Corinthians 13:12
I Thessalonians 5:26
I Peter 5:14

How many times does something have to appear in the New Testament before you Sola Scriptura folks adopt the practice? Seems once is enough for some things and five isn't enough for others.

Pretty good rehash there.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#55 Oct 2, 2013
Your scripture you quoted proved none of the things you said it did. Gal. 2:9.

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#56 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
JC- I cant remember whom on here was all hyped up about the coc people not practicing the Holy Kiss thing and was calling it a command. I found a scripture that proves that the Holy Kiss was not a command nor practiced by the early Christians.
It is Galatians
Galatians 2:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision
Dave-
How does that verse negate Romans 16:16 and 1 Corinthians 16:20? The word "greet" in both is aspasasthe, an aorist middle imperative- a command.
Mark Eden- Osculo Sancto
Romans 16:16
I Corinthians 16:20
II Corinthians 13:12
I Thessalonians 5:26
I Peter 5:14
How many times does something have to appear in the New Testament before you Sola Scriptura folks adopt the practice? Seems once is enough for some things and five isn't enough for others.
Pretty good rehash there.
I have previously mentioned the Osculo Sancto and that it is practiced to this very day by the Roman Catholic Church during the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

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#57 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Your scripture you quoted proved none of the things you said it did. Gal. 2:9.
You still have not the backbone to say yes or not to the question when you do lets us know.

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#58 Oct 2, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>You still have not the backbone to say yes or not to the question when you do lets us know.
This is one of things a COC member is taught. Only answer a question with a Bible verse because with SS you can always prove you point with one.

Avoid all other questions with questions of your own.

There was a very interesting Journey Home program earlier this year, I believe, where this Catholic in New Orleans became of COC member and came back home 10 years later. He is now studying to be a Deacon.

He went through a lot of the indoctrination techniques.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#59 Oct 2, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
This is one of things a COC member is taught. Only answer a question with a Bible verse because with SS you can always prove you point with one.
Avoid all other questions with questions of your own.
Yes, the good old proof-texting system. There is indoctrination into the system. I have seen and experienced it to a small degree myself.
William

Sylacauga, AL

#60 Oct 2, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the good old proof-texting system. There is indoctrination into the system. I have seen and experienced it to a small degree myself.
Dave, you know full well that you cannot use the Bible when discussing the Bible. You have to have all this other stuff handy. Because everything isn't written down. Until someone else writes it down.

And then changes it.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#61 Oct 2, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares where it started lets let you finish it. Simple question. Do you believe for you as a christian that the Holy Kiss as listed in the bible is a command to be obeyed or disobeyed. Simple question give yes or no.
1. It was a command for those it was written to- but they didn't need a COMMAND to greet one another. The greatest commandments cover all of this.

2. Do you NEED a COMMAND to greet the brethren? I do not.

3. In the imperative mode, commands can also be simple exhortations. Encouragement so to speak. Love and obedience does not have to be commanded- we should act out of love.

4. The NT is not a law book like Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The legalistic mindset says simple yes or no. The greater principle is, "let all that you do be done in love". If I shake hands in love, does that not fulfill the purpose of a holy kiss? Am I a lawbreaker for not following exactly as it reads? You're up junior.
johnny

Martinsville, VA

#62 Oct 2, 2013
you boys still on this
i have a place for you if any of you man up
and come on tv and spout this nonsense
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#63 Oct 2, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
This is one of things a COC member is taught. Only answer a question with a Bible verse because with SS you can always prove you point with one.
Avoid all other questions with questions of your own.
There was a very interesting Journey Home program earlier this year, I believe, where this Catholic in New Orleans became of COC member and came back home 10 years later. He is now studying to be a Deacon.
He went through a lot of the indoctrination techniques.
It's no wonder some abandon the SS groups- when all who are "led by the Spirit" come to different conclusions. Talking to you catholics has been helpful- as I read my Bible, I see that being led by the Spirit has to do with our daily lives, not Bible interpretation. Many of the arguments used against you hold no water. I will not be swimming the Tiber anytime soon, but there will be a lot less bashing from me.

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