Talk About Homosexuality

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#103 Jun 17, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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What would you like to talk about
Let's talk about homosexuality!

I think gay people should be allowed to marry the person they choose to marry, just like heterosexual people.

What do you think?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#104 Jun 17, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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First: you mentioned the Orthodox church in your town. That is a Catholic Church. Even though they don't recognize the Pope as leader of all Catholic Churches, I would probably attend that Church if I lived there.
All humans sin and many are corrupt. The Pope goes to confession at least once a week, I think. Jesus started the Church and said IT was the pillar and foundation of Truth. It was the only Church for the first 1500 years after Jesus.
If you are a Christian, how can you believe Jesus created something corrupt.
Every other non-Catholic ecclesial communities say that anybody can be the pillar and foundation of truth simple by reading the Bible , that the CC created, and determining yourself what the truth is.
Oh, sorry, Mike - that list came from the internet - I'm not familiar with most of those denominations of Christianity. I was raised as a "southern baptist", which I'll assume is different than a "northern baptist". However, I looked into it and sure enough, there IS a Catholic Church in this county - I believe I am curious enough to drive to the address and take a look at it as I cruise past. I was surprised to find this out.

Everyone wants to discuss how old Christianity is - or is it how old the Christian Church is? But - being older doesn't actually make it truer, does it? Just because many people believe something to be true, it doesn't make it actually true.. Suppose that only one person knows the "truth" - is it less true because only one person knows it?

I'm no longer Christian, so it makes logical sense to me that the Bible is possibly incorrect about some things. I am not completely AGAINST Christianity, but to suggest that gay people just forget about sex is a real bum deal for gay people - it motivates gay people to get far, far away from the people who judge them. Is that the goal?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#105 Jun 17, 2013
Bible Talk wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics never created the bible. God sent us the word through Jesus who revealed it to the church. Jesus started the original church and the Catholics separated themselves demanding the other bishops submit to the bishop of Rome. The other bishops refused to bow and kiss the Roman bishop. Through the bloodshed of the crusades, keeping the bible from laymen, and teaching their priests are required to receive Christ and be forgiven their sins, they have become quite a power house. Instead of bake sales to raise money they charged people money to get their relatives out of purgatory (it was a better scam than the ponzi scheme. They recently spent billions of dollars to settle pedophile charges of their priests. Billions of dollars are only a drop in the bucket to the Vatican. Power in this present world is the God of Mammon as they well know and it has served them well in this world. To leave the original church in quest of power will not PAY in the end.
Could you explain more clearly: what is better than being Catholic?

Oh, BTW, how do you feel about homosexuality?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#106 Jun 17, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
A couple of you may be interested in these 2 books: from 1978, Is the Homosexual My Neighbor? by Leatha Scanzoni and Virginia Mollenkott. I met Scanzoni and heard her speak shortly after this was published. From 1980, by John Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality. I met Boswell, heard him speak twice and have an autographed copy of his book. I also had an autographed copy of the Scanzoni book until someone borrowed and failed to return it.
Some of you reading this are now ready to pounce. Have at it. But shouldn't you be somewhere singing Bringing in the Sheaves or There is a Fountain Filled with Blood?
Oh, thank you, MarkEden - I had to page back several times to find these references - they seem very interesting.

Since these books are treasured by you, I would imagine they would explain your personal thoughts about being gay. I will see what I can find out about them.

Since: May 10

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#107 Jun 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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This is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
MarkEden - do you have an opinion about homosexuality?
Doesnt the bible say Homosexuality is a sin.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#108 Jun 18, 2013
Asm said: "it motivates gay people to get far, far away from the people who judge them. Is that the goal?"

If God is real and I believe he is and his written word, then there is no way for any of us to escape him.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

I have heard this expression "you can run but you can't hide"

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#109 Jun 18, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Doesnt the bible say Homosexuality is a sin.
Several weeks ago, I would have made the same comment.

However, it was explained to me that the Bible claims that homosexual acts are sins and homosexual people are called to chastity to prevent sinning.

I suggest that homosexual people are ordinary people who are treated with intolerance by society in general and also by Christians who want to change them into heterosexual people. I think they are treated cruelly and are encouraged to be dishonest about their sexuality.

How does homosexuality affect your life? Do you know any gay people? What do you think gay people ought to do about being gay?

Since: Jun 11

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#110 Jun 18, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Doesnt the bible say Homosexuality is a sin.
The Bible says many things are sins particularly if you are Jewish. One would think it must be hell to be an Orthodox Jew and Gay especially if your mother finds out!

So which is a worse sin? Fornication? Adultery? Divorce? Abortion? Homosexuality? The first four are most certainly owned by heterosexuals and practiced for sure by members in every church and walk of life. Around here pastors running off with the female church secretary or male organist seems to be de rigueur.

I must say that in my experience the most rabid anti-homosexual rants and raves have come from men who are married to women and who are themselves homosexual. If you have Netflix or another source watch "The Wolves of Kromer."

Since: Jun 11

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#111 Jun 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Let's talk about homosexuality!
I think gay people should be allowed to marry the person they choose to marry, just like heterosexual people.
What do you think?
Looks to me that most people pushing for gay marriage are Lesbians and divorce lawyers. Since marriage is a legal contract involving vows and promises that so many heterosexual people eventually break and wish to dissolve one has to wonder why gay people would want to inflict such a burden upon themselves. Huge legal fees, forced division of property, restraining orders, custody battles etc. are all now a normal part of marriage and divorce. If two people wish to share their lives and bind themselves together legally there are ways to do it not involving a marriage contract. Powers of attorney, joint tenancy with the right of survivorship, living wills etc. are just some of the ways to do it. I do not think health insurance benefits should be provided by an employer to begin with but interestingly I learned this week that a major company offering health benefits to same sex couples does not offer the same to an unmarried heterosexual couple who live together.

Bottom line even if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states it will not destroy marriage. It will certainly redefine the word but heterosexuals have already destroyed marriage.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#112 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Looks to me that most people pushing for gay marriage are Lesbians and divorce lawyers. Since marriage is a legal contract involving vows and promises that so many heterosexual people eventually break and wish to dissolve one has to wonder why gay people would want to inflict such a burden upon themselves. Huge legal fees, forced division of property, restraining orders, custody battles etc. are all now a normal part of marriage and divorce. If two people wish to share their lives and bind themselves together legally there are ways to do it not involving a marriage contract. Powers of attorney, joint tenancy with the right of survivorship, living wills etc. are just some of the ways to do it. I do not think health insurance benefits should be provided by an employer to begin with but interestingly I learned this week that a major company offering health benefits to same sex couples does not offer the same to an unmarried heterosexual couple who live together.
Bottom line even if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states it will not destroy marriage. It will certainly redefine the word but heterosexuals have already destroyed marriage.
Finally something we can agree on:-)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#113 Jun 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Several weeks ago, I would have made the same comment.
However, it was explained to me that the Bible claims that homosexual acts are sins and homosexual people are called to chastity to prevent sinning.
I suggest that homosexual people are ordinary people who are treated with intolerance by society in general and also by Christians who want to change them into heterosexual people. I think they are treated cruelly and are encouraged to be dishonest about their sexuality.
How does homosexuality affect your life? Do you know any gay people? What do you think gay people ought to do about being gay?
I still make the same statement. Homosexuality (the practice of) is a sin.
Yes I know some homosexual people. Yes it affects all lives. I think as with any sin. Identify, seek help, flee, seek guidence, pray for help, avoid those that temp you, dont give up when you either fall or think about falling, Allow the Grace of God to help you. Fill the House with God and his word. Understand that God loves each and everyone of us sinners as we all try to obey.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#114 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Looks to me that most people pushing for gay marriage are Lesbians and divorce lawyers. Since marriage is a legal contract involving vows and promises that so many heterosexual people eventually break and wish to dissolve one has to wonder why gay people would want to inflict such a burden upon themselves. Huge legal fees, forced division of property, restraining orders, custody battles etc. are all now a normal part of marriage and divorce. If two people wish to share their lives and bind themselves together legally there are ways to do it not involving a marriage contract. Powers of attorney, joint tenancy with the right of survivorship, living wills etc. are just some of the ways to do it. I do not think health insurance benefits should be provided by an employer to begin with but interestingly I learned this week that a major company offering health benefits to same sex couples does not offer the same to an unmarried heterosexual couple who live together.
Bottom line even if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states it will not destroy marriage. It will certainly redefine the word but heterosexuals have already destroyed marriage.
Preach Mark! Agree 100%.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#115 Jun 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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The Bible says many things are sins particularly if you are Jewish. One would think it must be hell to be an Orthodox Jew and Gay especially if your mother finds out!
So which is a worse sin? Fornication? Adultery? Divorce? Abortion? Homosexuality? The first four are most certainly owned by heterosexuals and practiced for sure by members in every church and walk of life. Around here pastors running off with the female church secretary or male organist seems to be de rigueur.
I must say that in my experience the most rabid anti-homosexual rants and raves have come from men who are married to women and who are themselves homosexual. If you have Netflix or another source watch "The Wolves of Kromer."
Yep all those and much more activities by mankind are called sin.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#116 Jun 19, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Looks to me that most people pushing for gay marriage are Lesbians and divorce lawyers. Since marriage is a legal contract involving vows and promises that so many heterosexual people eventually break and wish to dissolve one has to wonder why gay people would want to inflict such a burden upon themselves. Huge legal fees, forced division of property, restraining orders, custody battles etc. are all now a normal part of marriage and divorce. If two people wish to share their lives and bind themselves together legally there are ways to do it not involving a marriage contract. Powers of attorney, joint tenancy with the right of survivorship, living wills etc. are just some of the ways to do it. I do not think health insurance benefits should be provided by an employer to begin with but interestingly I learned this week that a major company offering health benefits to same sex couples does not offer the same to an unmarried heterosexual couple who live together.
Bottom line even if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states it will not destroy marriage. It will certainly redefine the word but heterosexuals have already destroyed marriage.
I know gay people who support the right to gay marriage but who have no intention to use it right away. I know gay couples who have co-existed for years who would fill out some paperwork and finally be comfortable that the law will allow their partner to take responsibility for their welfare such as a spouse should be able to do. I know gay and heterosexual people who support gay rights efforts because they find current laws to be discriminatory towards gays and so their support is actually for: ethical law-making. I know people who support gay rights simply because they know that 5% of the population do not have a voice - their efforts have to be backed by heterosexual voters or their efforts will not carry enough influence to make any difference. If you care for gay people, you should support gay rights, including gay marriage.

I agree that Marriage: The Legal Contract and Marriage: God's Blessing are two completely different things. It is unfortunate that no one had the foresight to separate church and state on this issue - in most cases, it's OK for one word to have two meanings - not this word, though. Do you think the opposition towards gay marriage is more about language than gay rights?

Civil Union should be good enough - nope. "Good enough" is not good enough. Why is it so beyond reason to CHANGE the name of heterosexual "legal contract" marriage to something appropriate for gay people to use as well?

Surely, someone will use gay marriage as a way to scam some company out of some money - much like anyone, properly motivated, will use any sort of legal means to pursue gain and profit. It is the American way, why is it so horrible for gay people to act like Americans? Just like Muslim terrorists, Abortion Clinic Bombers, and Conjoined Twins - the occurrence of misuse would be the exception and there are exceptions to all categories of people. You should not judge a mass on the actions of a few - even if they are actions that "might" occur.

Your opinion of marriage seems negative across the board so, are you suggesting that people no longer get married?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#117 Jun 19, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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I know gay people who support the right to gay marriage but who have no intention to use it right away. I know gay couples who have co-existed for years who would fill out some paperwork and finally be comfortable that the law will allow their partner to take responsibility for their welfare such as a spouse should be able to do. I know gay and heterosexual people who support gay rights efforts because they find current laws to be discriminatory towards gays and so their support is actually for: ethical law-making. I know people who support gay rights simply because they know that 5% of the population do not have a voice - their efforts have to be backed by heterosexual voters or their efforts will not carry enough influence to make any difference. If you care for gay people, you should support gay rights, including gay marriage.
I agree that Marriage: The Legal Contract and Marriage: God's Blessing are two completely different things. It is unfortunate that no one had the foresight to separate church and state on this issue - in most cases, it's OK for one word to have two meanings - not this word, though. Do you think the opposition towards gay marriage is more about language than gay rights?
Civil Union should be good enough - nope. "Good enough" is not good enough. Why is it so beyond reason to CHANGE the name of heterosexual "legal contract" marriage to something appropriate for gay people to use as well?
Surely, someone will use gay marriage as a way to scam some company out of some money - much like anyone, properly motivated, will use any sort of legal means to pursue gain and profit. It is the American way, why is it so horrible for gay people to act like Americans? Just like Muslim terrorists, Abortion Clinic Bombers, and Conjoined Twins - the occurrence of misuse would be the exception and there are exceptions to all categories of people. You should not judge a mass on the actions of a few - even if they are actions that "might" occur.
Your opinion of marriage seems negative across the board so, are you suggesting that people no longer get married?
No. I am thinking it should be as difficult to get married as it is to get divorced but then I could care less what breeders do unless they are using abortion as birth control. Unfortunately it is the children who are left to pick up the pieces of these failed dalliances.

By the way have you noticed there is only one wedding gown available in the United States? It is passed from bride to bride and is a strapless number, no matter how many extra pounds or breasts are squeezed into it. Were I a priest or a pastor of a church of any kind no woman would be allowed to wear such an immodest garment. Just check the wedding announcements in your local paper to see!
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#118 Jul 9, 2013
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#119 Jul 9, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Several weeks ago, I would have made the same comment.
However, it was explained to me that the Bible claims that homosexual acts are sins and homosexual people are called to chastity to prevent sinning.
I suggest that homosexual people are ordinary people who are treated with intolerance by society in general and also by Christians who want to change them into heterosexual people. I think they are treated cruelly and are encouraged to be dishonest about their sexuality.
How does homosexuality affect your life? Do you know any gay people? What do you think gay people ought to do about being gay?
If we're addressing what is right or not, why leave the topic with homosexuals? What about other behavior the Scriptures say are sin? Do those who justify preaching against homosexuality express the same disdain against adulterers and fornicators? Hardly. Look at the number of Churches that allow couples who are 'shacking up', or the fellowships that have excused their preachers or leadership in homosexual or adulterous affairs. Looks a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

Since we have all fallen short of the glory of God, we'd be well advised to try to call each other to do the will of God and encourage each other to do the will of God more fully in our own lives. But that cannot be done by saying anything God has declared wrong to somehow be right now. The Spirit is given to those who obey God. Ezekiel 36:26 says He gave the Spirit so we would be lead to keep His words from our hearts - not to merely make up what we fell good about and then declare it good. Those of God look to His words that lead to eternal life and examine themselves by its light and are in the growing process to do what He has said is light and life.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#120 Jul 9, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
You know, I could understand the police arresting someone from the Westburrow Baptist Church, but here we have what appears to be a balanced telling of calling people to consider repentance, just as the original disciples of Jesus did in their day - and it's cause to be arrested in England? And how many Muslims are arrested for their hate speech? So now it's OK to talk about killing anyone who won't belong to your 'faith', but wrong to tell the truth as you understand it?

Indeed - is truth now a crime? Or is to believe God now a crime?

Awesomemonkey - what do you think?
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#121 Jul 9, 2013
The word God gave us has priority over and is more powerful than any word man or church can put forth. The sole authority lies with God. If there are those that do not believe it now ,there will come a day they will believe it.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#122 Jul 9, 2013
I have those considered friends who are homosexual, and when they come by from out of town they get a hotel room and never ask to use our spare bedroom. They have respect for others beliefs. Is that wrong too?

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