Talk About Homosexuality
Iknow

Columbus, GA

#719 Sep 3, 2013
And, as I said earlier, that mentality will work for you while on this earth - but when you die, that facade is going to come to a very extreme stop.
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Wouldn't you rather deal with that now - rather than later when it'll be too late?

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Something to think about anyhow - least I hope you will.
:)
Iknow

Columbus, GA

#720 Sep 3, 2013
Note where it says, "Be not deceived".
And no, it isn't just homosexuality that will
be forbidden from the Kingdom of God. It is also
"straight" people sins, too.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11

King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#721 Sep 3, 2013
Hey, hey, hey! We're talking about homosexuality, remember? Let's break it down logically and figure out what God really thinks...

I can entertain the idea that God is real for the sake of argument and God can't be everything that you all claim that he is, so you might have to consider compromising your extreme ideas so that you can temporarily consider someone else's view.

The people I want to consider, in this thread especially, are the LGBT ones - the ones that many people are "against." Is it necessary for people to be "against" other people for punishment of doing what they don't like, even though it is legal and socially correct? What are the actions associated with being "against" homosexuality? Disassociation? Rejection? Anger? What actions do an intolerant attitudes inspire? How does anyone intend to "stop" homosexuality?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#722 Sep 3, 2013
Iknow wrote:
I understand people getting in to the homosexual life -
Wow, really? There is NO such thing as a "HOMOSEXUAL" life or lifestyle........a person is either straight, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Asexual, Monosexual or Pansexual........and if one opts to live a life void of emotional or intimate relations that is their right......but to justify your decision because of your religious beliefs, well.....that's just pathetic.

There are many Gays and Lesbians who don't interpret the bible the way you have chosen to and they don't see themselves as sinning just because people like you do!!!

Remember you have the right to your religious beliefs, but you DON'T have the right to tell others that their beliefs are wrong because they don't believe as you do.

Now, post away, but basically......I'm done responding to you or about this issue with you!!
Iknow

Columbus, GA

#723 Sep 3, 2013


See, that's the problem with the politics of "gay" - they now assume that they can bully their way into forcing people to accept their choice - sin - lifestyle - whatever you want to call it. It's like, "Accept us or we'll holler "discrimination" or "hate speech".
Did you guys know that what you are doing is also included in Bible prophecy? Yep, calling evil good is another prophecy that you guys are helping to fulfill. And as the Bible tells us, you aren't even aware that you are doing it - or perhaps you are, I don't know.


All I can do is pray for you two - and I have, and will.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#724 Sep 3, 2013
Iknow wrote:
See, that's the problem with the politics of "gay" - they now assume that they can bully their way into forcing people to accept their choice - sin - lifestyle - whatever you want to call it. It's like, "Accept us or we'll holler "discrimination" or "hate speech".
Did you guys know that what you are doing is also included in Bible prophecy? Yep, calling evil good is another prophecy that you guys are helping to fulfill. And as the Bible tells us, you aren't even aware that you are doing it - or perhaps you are, I don't know.
All I can do is pray for you two - and I have, and will.
Wow, really.......you are now going to claim that everything happening is because the Gays and Lesbians are tired of taking and now have decide to stand up for themselves.......tell ya what......take a look at this:
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#725 Sep 3, 2013
Iknow wrote:
See, that's the problem with the politics of "gay" - they now assume that they can bully their way into forcing people to accept their choice - sin - lifestyle - whatever you want to call it. It's like, "Accept us or we'll holler "discrimination" or "hate speech".
Did you guys know that what you are doing is also included in Bible prophecy? Yep, calling evil good is another prophecy that you guys are helping to fulfill. And as the Bible tells us, you aren't even aware that you are doing it - or perhaps you are, I don't know.
All I can do is pray for you two - and I have, and will.
Is that really the way you feel? Do you really feel like you are being forced into accepting somebody else choice, sin, lifestyle or whatever you call it. Horror of horrors right, to accept somebody else's choice? Do you even realize how that pathetic that sounds? Shall we go through history and look at how much Christianity has been forced on others?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#726 Sep 3, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Is that really the way you feel? Do you really feel like you are being forced into accepting somebody else choice, sin, lifestyle or whatever you call it. Horror of horrors right, to accept somebody else's choice? Do you even realize how that pathetic that sounds? Shall we go through history and look at how much Christianity has been forced on others?
You have a point.....just ask the Native Americans how they felt being persecuted for not embracing Christianity!!

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#727 Sep 4, 2013
Iknow wrote:
See, that's the problem with the politics of "gay" - they now assume that they can bully their way into forcing people to accept their choice - sin - lifestyle - whatever you want to call it. It's like, "Accept us or we'll holler "discrimination" or "hate speech".
Did you guys know that what you are doing is also included in Bible prophecy? Yep, calling evil good is another prophecy that you guys are helping to fulfill. And as the Bible tells us, you aren't even aware that you are doing it - or perhaps you are, I don't know.
All I can do is pray for you two - and I have, and will.
First of all, no one is forced to participate in politics and the things you listed are not political. The fact that there are laws that discriminate against gay people is a political issue - for a very long time, no one has made an effort to change that - and now you are upset that activists have worked politically to straighten out this problem? You are invited to express your opinion about it by voting - that's how politics work. Are you suggesting that we not only ignore and allow discriminatory laws, but that we discriminate against any people who are taking the logical and available route to DO something to change the laws? Gay people are hollering "discrimination" because they are experiencing it. You seem satisfied that they have experienced it for a long time without hollering about it.

The phrase "homosexual lifestyle" to me means: publicly having homosexual relationships without being penalized. For example: a hetero couple can make a commitment to one another and then legally combine their assets and responsibilities so that they are legal family members. A gay couple is not allowed this option. Why not? Discrimination against sexuality and gender. Of course, they actually can marry in certain places within the US, but until they can be legally married in every place in the US, the US law is still discriminatory against SOME people based on their sexuality or gender. If you support and uphold laws that are discriminatory, then you are being discriminatory.

The Bible says tons of things that can be applied to current events, but only matters to people who respect the Bible, which is a simple individual choice among all citizens. The LAW does not respect the Bible - do I need to point out all the ways the US law over-rides God's law? I do not need to read the Bible because I do not intend to follow it's rules, they only apply to me if I CHOOSE them. I am REQUIRED to follow the US law and so, I am motivated to see to it that the law upholds the Constitution and NOT the Bible.

Iknow, you seem like you are a nice person - all those smiley faces make me imagine that you smile all the time - and you certainly expressed how happy your religion makes you. I understand how you can be "against" homosexuality since you see it as an extension of God's word. NorCal would say: you are mistaken about God's word - I say: whatever - it doesn't matter WHY you support discrimination - only that your attitude about homosexuals isolates you from homosexual people - exactly like racism, except black skin=gay. Being "against" homosexuality is exactly like racism - why is this so unrecognizable to passionate Christians like yourself?

:o)

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#728 Sep 4, 2013
I'll also address how you sort of consider me to be the Devil - OK, in your opinion, the Devil promotes homosexuality and so do I, so: for you, for the sake of argument, I accept being the Devil. As the Devil, I guess I am your enemy - the Devil supports all evil including homosexuality (in your opinion, I can't stress that enough)- even though that make a lot of assumptions about me just because I love gay people.

So - suppose you are just a happy Christian, upholding God's word in every way you can - and here you are: talking to the Devil. Boo! JK - but seriously, are you going to run and hide from me? You can imagine that evil - supplied by the Devil - is being allow to run amok while the Christians are inclined to hide in efforts to distance themselves from the Devil or evil. I actually think that's what upsets you - you don't want to hide from evil - you want to defeat evil. You want to defeat me.

Is my analogy too wacky for you? I don't really consider myself the Devil - I'm just a simple atheist who wants to see equal rights and happy co-existence. We are both nice people, Iknow. How can I convince you not to be "against" me?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#729 Sep 4, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Is that really the way you feel? Do you really feel like you are being forced into accepting somebody else choice, sin, lifestyle or whatever you call it. Horror of horrors right, to accept somebody else's choice? Do you even realize how that pathetic that sounds? Shall we go through history and look at how much Christianity has been forced on others?
Here is an observation I have made by participation in arguments and debates: when a person's emotions become heightened - they'll begin to act in the same way that they are opposing. People who strive for tolerance will find themselves acting very intolerant of opposing ideas. People who want respect will act disrespectful towards others. People who accuse others of having faults will display their own faults. I have done it again and again - I only recognize it by re-reading my posts. Comments like: are you listening to yourself? make me realize the inconsistencies of my argument. I have learned that I can avoid it by controlling my emotions - but it also helps me recognize what makes me very emotional - those things must mean the most to me.

You have a gigantic view over civilization with your comments about agriculture and expansionism. How do you apply your enormous ideas to ordinary daily living among individuals? Do you reject society because it's ideals have "gone wrong" or do you feel like your actions could contribute towards a new age of respect and cooperation? Do you think this new age will arrive regardless of your actions?

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#730 Sep 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
It may be for you and I'd recommend you not concern yourself with the intimate behaviors of others!!!
See, problem solved!!!
Oh, I wish! I wish the problem of discrimination and intolerance would just be solved. It could be that easy: "Mind your business!" but there is a confusion about the "damage" that homosexuality causes and whether it is someone's responsibility to "prevent" homosexuality to prevent people from being damaged by it. What a load of crap - I know you would agree - but I am acknowledging reality when I recognize that good people actually DO support this theory. The reason that people would believe such ideas is that they don't really know any gay people - they are not gay themselves - else they would understand that gay people just want to be gay and live out their lives that way. Some people consider homosexuality to be a problem that someone has - some gay people have been raised to believe that their homosexuality is the source of all of their problems - some gay people live a life of being expected to deny their sexuality. You know what helps with that? Anti-depressants. Not only do they help you quit caring, they suppress sexual desires. Some people prefer to medicate gay people to prevent them from being so gay. When a gay person's relationship to drugs is being determined by other people's ideas of preventing homosexuality - that's a problem!

I keep thinking: legal discrimination is curing itself as we speak - lawsuits are being filed and unless the activists loose their enthusiasm, they should be able to pursue legal same-sex marriage throughout the US, no problem. I'm not involved in this process, so I just wait - but I ask myself: how can I help? Don't let the gays lose their enthusiasm for pursuing equal rights for ALL gay people - it is aggravating that the process is going to be time consuming and expensive - but our majority will not allow it to be easy because they are enjoying being mean to gay people, while they still can.

All I can do is change their minds, one at a time. A sea is filled with drops of water, right? I don't think I've actually changed anyone's mind yet - but - I'm still working on it. Your religious beliefs are even more unpopular than mine - at least atheism is simple and straight-forward. I thought you were a Christian - but you are not a Christian like Iknow - I think what you have in common is belief in a Christian God, even if your opinions of him differ. I am just learning that there are so many divisions among Christians - I have been lumping you all together as 80% of the US for some time. I have been chatting here among many Christians and I have met few who agree much at all about their religious beliefs. I'm actually kind of surprised about it.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#731 Sep 4, 2013
PartyPooper II wrote:
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homosexuality is an abomination and is considered a disgusting thing. one should stay far away from it.
Untrue! You opinion promotes intolerance and discrimination against LGBT people. I disagree with your opinion!

Homosexuality is for homosexual people - if you think it is an abomination, you are most likely not homosexual and do not really understand what it is like to be homosexual. If you are not homosexual - I agree, it is in your best interest to stay away from homosexual activities - remember: homosexual activities are SEXUAL activities and if you are acting honestly on your sexual desires, homosexuality or heterosexuality will occur naturally. Homosexual people are happy to allow heterosexual people to follow their naturally occurring sexual desires - but heterosexuals are often not so allowing towards gays. That would include you, correct?

So, what can I say to change your opinion? You must be here to talk about homosexuality - do you have any good reasons or resources to support your opinion? Can you explain why you are so appalled at homosexuality?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#732 Sep 4, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
You know what helps with that? Anti-depressants. Not only do they help you quit caring, they suppress sexual desires. Some people prefer to medicate gay people to prevent them from being so gay. When a gay person's relationship to drugs is being determined by other people's ideas of preventing homosexuality - that's a problem!
I keep thinking: legal discrimination is curing itself as we speak - lawsuits are being filed and unless the activists loose their enthusiasm, they should be able to pursue legal same-sex marriage throughout the US, no problem. I'm not involved in this process, so I just wait - but I ask myself: how can I help? Don't let the gays lose their enthusiasm for pursuing equal rights for ALL gay people - it is aggravating that the process is going to be time consuming and expensive - but our majority will not allow it to be easy because they are enjoying being mean to gay people, while they still can.
All I can do is change their minds, one at a time. A sea is filled with drops of water, right? I don't think I've actually changed anyone's mind yet - but - I'm still working on it. Your religious beliefs are even more unpopular than mine - at least atheism is simple and straight-forward. I thought you were a Christian - but you are not a Christian like Iknow - I think what you have in common is belief in a Christian God, even if your opinions of him differ. I am just learning that there are so many divisions among Christians - I have been lumping you all together as 80% of the US for some time. I have been chatting here among many Christians and I have met few who agree much at all about their religious beliefs. I'm actually kind of surprised about it.
Morning ASM,
I don't see myself as a "Christian", but then there are so many denominations it's hard to keep up with it all........if I had to pick a formalized religious belief today, I would fall more so under the Unitarian Universalist religion, but I don't follow any formalized religion.....I'm more of a spiritual person who has a belief in God aka Higher Power.......and I have found that Evangelistic Fundamentalist are the WORSE at allowing others to believe differently than themselves.......mostly because they are hung up on the bible instead of the true message from God......but that is their right, just wish that they would understand that others have the right to believe differently.

I seriously doubt that discrimination will be cured over time........there is always some fight regarding this issue and there will unfortunately always be someone who feels it's okay to discriminate against another for whatever reason makes sense to them.......it's part of the "HUMAN CONDITION" and it doesn't mean EVERY human has it, but some have it worse than others......JMPO!!!

I do agree with most of what you are saying.......I just don't think it may be possible to end certain things.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#733 Sep 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Morning ASM,
I don't see myself as a "Christian", but then there are so many denominations it's hard to keep up with it all........if I had to pick a formalized religious belief today, I would fall more so under the Unitarian Universalist religion, but I don't follow any formalized religion.....I'm more of a spiritual person who has a belief in God aka Higher Power.......and I have found that Evangelistic Fundamentalist are the WORSE at allowing others to believe differently than themselves.......mostly because they are hung up on the bible instead of the true message from God......but that is their right, just wish that they would understand that others have the right to believe differently.
I seriously doubt that discrimination will be cured over time........there is always some fight regarding this issue and there will unfortunately always be someone who feels it's okay to discriminate against another for whatever reason makes sense to them.......it's part of the "HUMAN CONDITION" and it doesn't mean EVERY human has it, but some have it worse than others......JMPO!!!
I do agree with most of what you are saying.......I just don't think it may be possible to end certain things.
"..JMPO!!!" What does this mean?? I am not as hip as you Californians.

No, no - discrimination is learned. This is one reason that the Bible angers me. Interpreted correctly or not - it is general knowledge that the Christian Bible claims homosexuality is a sin - it is how Christians back up their arguments of discrimination. I like some of the Bible - the good parts about love and peace, parts that encourage acceptance and care - the other parts just make me mad when they directly conflict with the parts I like so much! Condemning homosexual people to Hell is not something a God of creation and love would do - perhaps there has been a mistake or misinterpretation that could lead to these conflicting ideas?? Most Christians are offended that we could imagine the God would have allowed mistakes in something as important as his teachings towards his followers. YOU are different in that perspective and I agree: IF there is a God who inspired the writing of the Bible while depending on PEOPLE who are susceptible to societal influences, then to have it mishandled and repeatedly translated and interpreted so that a single message can take on any outrageous idea that any person might connect to it - He must realize that we can not be held accountable for not knowing who to believe. He has designed us to pursue knowing - it would be most important to him that we are motivated to strive, to move, to organize - our minds are "magical" that way - perhaps that's God's magic.

Some people get mad when I relate magic to religion - magic is easily disregarded as fake, while people want to believe in miracles and illogical conclusions based on "faith", but I think it is the same as magic. Magic is an illusion - something seems illogical, but we are handicapped by our perspective. People say: ASM, you are just stupid if you cannot recognize the feeling of God - I actually DO recognize that magical feeling that most people I know associate with God - but I recognize what I feel as magic and what you feel as God is the same thing and we are describing it differently. I deny that "God" is real, but I admit that there is a uniting factor among all people and maybe you and I are both recognizing it, but describing it differently.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#734 Sep 4, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
"..JMPO!!!" What does this mean?? I am not as hip as you Californians.
No, no - discrimination is learned. This is one reason that the Bible angers me. Interpreted correctly or not - it is general knowledge that the Christian Bible claims homosexuality is a sin - it is how Christians back up their arguments of discrimination. I like some of the Bible - the good parts about love and peace, parts that encourage acceptance and care - the other parts just make me mad when they directly conflict with the parts I like so much! Condemning homosexual people to Hell is not something a God of creation and love would do - perhaps there has been a mistake or misinterpretation that could lead to these conflicting ideas?? Most Christians are offended that we could imagine the God would have allowed mistakes in something as important as his teachings towards his followers. YOU are different in that perspective and I agree: IF there is a God who inspired the writing of the Bible while depending on PEOPLE who are susceptible to societal influences, then to have it mishandled and repeatedly translated and interpreted so that a single message can take on any outrageous idea that any person might connect to it - He must realize that we can not be held accountable for not knowing who to believe. He has designed us to pursue knowing - it would be most important to him that we are motivated to strive, to move, to organize - our minds are "magical" that way - perhaps that's God's magic.
Some people get mad when I relate magic to religion - magic is easily disregarded as fake, while people want to believe in miracles and illogical conclusions based on "faith", but I think it is the same as magic. Magic is an illusion - something seems illogical, but we are handicapped by our perspective. People say: ASM, you are just stupid if you cannot recognize the feeling of God - I actually DO recognize that magical feeling that most people I know associate with God - but I recognize what I feel as magic and what you feel as God is the same thing and we are describing it differently. I deny that "God" is real, but I admit that there is a uniting factor among all people and maybe you and I are both recognizing it, but describing it differently.
JMPO==>Just My Personal Opinion:-)

Here is a link about the timeline of the English bible.....you should take a look at it......this might help show you why in my opinion the bible has flaws in it:
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bib...

“Bringing the Paranoia !!”

Since: Oct 11

MY hometown is YOUR Hometown

#735 Sep 4, 2013
Iknow wrote:
<quoted text>
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As is all other sin - alcohol, witchcraft, idolatry, hatred,murder, etc - but reality is, there are a lot of people who are dealing with these things.
Some want to be free of them - some don't. But you never know for sure until you sit down and talk with them.
:)
this is very true!!:)

“Bringing the Paranoia !!”

Since: Oct 11

MY hometown is YOUR Hometown

#736 Sep 4, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Untrue! You opinion promotes intolerance and discrimination against LGBT people. I disagree with your opinion!
Homosexuality is for homosexual people - if you think it is an abomination, you are most likely not homosexual and do not really understand what it is like to be homosexual. If you are not homosexual - I agree, it is in your best interest to stay away from homosexual activities - remember: homosexual activities are SEXUAL activities and if you are acting honestly on your sexual desires, homosexuality or heterosexuality will occur naturally. Homosexual people are happy to allow heterosexual people to follow their naturally occurring sexual desires - but heterosexuals are often not so allowing towards gays. That would include you, correct?
So, what can I say to change your opinion? You must be here to talk about homosexuality - do you have any good reasons or resources to support your opinion? Can you explain why you are so appalled at homosexuality?
i was raised and believe that homosexuality is unnatural and goes against everything that God himself set forth. if God meant for homosexuality to be natural so to speak then two homosexuals would be able to reproduce. the fact that two homosexuals can not reproduce a child together speaks volumes that it goes against nature.

i do not hate homosexuals but i do not agree with it thats all.

“Bringing the Paranoia !!”

Since: Oct 11

MY hometown is YOUR Hometown

#737 Sep 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
It may be for you and I'd recommend you not concern yourself with the intimate behaviors of others!!!
See, problem solved!!!
it doesnt change the fact that it goes against nature.

just saying...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#738 Sep 4, 2013
PartyPooper II wrote:
if God meant for homosexuality to be natural so to speak then two homosexuals would be able to reproduce.
Actually this would be wrong because there are heterosexual couples who can NOT reproduce......would that make them unnatural?

Also, there are new medical research that will allow in the future Lesbians to reproduce without an actual sperm donor being necessary.......it's called Stem Cell research, which has been proven to use Stem Cells from bone marrow converted into natural sperm!!!

Enjoy!!!

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