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#349 Jul 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Absurd:
Normal
Noun: The usual, average, or typical state or condition.
You can believe or not believe in anything you want, but SSA is deviant from normal.
How can a "variation" be normal.
Exactly.......I'm NORMAL......it is as typical to be Gay or Lesbian as it is to be straight:-)

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#350 Jul 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> You better pray to the person you don't believe in and make sure that no foreign land come here and take over. Have you been any where in this world and saw real proverty. Have you ever saw a young person fighting a dog for scapes By you saying your sexual being has nothing to do with the bible which you say are just stories and it is not a moral code really scares me. The fact that you say it not a moral code to live by alone say to me that you think that it alright to anything you want and not worry about what effect you have on your fellow man.
Damn, you aren't very bright, are ya? I've already stated that I believe in God, just not the bible or ANY formalized Religion!!!

Just because I don't believe in the bible doesn't mean I can live as I please.......there is a thing called Karma.......and I live by the moral laws of this Country and I treat others as I would like to be treated.........in no way do I violate the Laws of this Country and for you to make a statement like that just truly shows how asinine you really are!!!

I don't need to leave the United States to know or see that "REAL" poverty is happening EVERYDAY here on our own soil. There are American school children who would normally go hungry if it were not for the FREE breakfast and Lunch programs at their school......these kids go hungry from Friday until Monday with very little or no food.....so, I am not as concerned with children in Foreign Countries as I am for children here.

Now, you can believe as you want....but under this Constitution.....I have the FREEDOM to believe as I want to......and as a Military Veteran......I've earned that right to that Freedom!!!
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#351 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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The Creator can be anyone or thing you want it to be......for some it could be God, for others, who knows!!!
You accuse me of twisting your flipping words and then you turn around and make false claims about what I know regarding both the Declaration and Constitution.......man, either have a discussion or ignore me....but don't accuse me of what you THINK I know!!!
Tell me something.....have you EVER served in the Military? My guess or opinion is that you haven't because you keep insisting that the Declaration of Independence is somehow more important than the Constitution.......and I know that when I sworn an Oath to this Country to protect against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.......it NEVER said a damn thing about the Declaration.......but it clearly mention the Constitution!!!
Again twisting words. Yes I served. Without the Declaration, the Constitution would be meaningless. Such has the opening of the bill of right. WE THE PEOPLE. The laws of the land is part of the reason we declare to the world that our CREATOR, no matter if you want to twist it around, gave us rights that were plain and simple. LIFE LIBERTY and the PERSUE of Happiness. The constitution is more important. You question in the beginning, which you seems to forgot, the laws is not the bible. If it not who is creator, LIFE< LIBERTY and Happiness.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#352 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Umm, we DON'T swear to tell the truth on the bible anymore nor mention God......seems that those who are Atheists managed to eliminate that........and the President ISN'T required to swear into office on a bible either.
Here's a little note for ya:
The Constitution does not require that the president take the oath of office by swearing on a Bible. That would have been a very simple requirement for the constitutional drafters to include. To the contrary, the Founders wanted to ensure that Americans of any faith -- or no faith -- could hold federal office.
They set it forth plainly in Article VI: "... No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Placing a hand on a Bible while reciting the presidential oath is simply a tradition started by George Washington. Indeed, two presidents, Teddy Roosevelt and John Quincy Adams, did not use a Bible at their swearing-in ceremonies.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/opinion/obeidal...
So, it is done again with regards to Tradition.....BUT it is NOT required!!!
Did you forget "so help me god" when sworn.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#353 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly.......I'm NORMAL......it is as typical to be Gay or Lesbian as it is to be straight:-)
I guess you mean you are normal in your deviancy of normal.

You are on top of the bell curve within the subset of your abnormality.

For example , psychopathy occurs in roughly
5% of the population. This is a deviancy.

Within the psychopath community , there is normal within that community too.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#354 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn, you aren't very bright, are ya? I've already stated that I believe in God, just not the bible or ANY formalized Religion!!!
Just because I don't believe in the bible doesn't mean I can live as I please.......there is a thing called Karma.......and I live by the moral laws of this Country and I treat others as I would like to be treated.........in no way do I violate the Laws of this Country and for you to make a statement like that just truly shows how asinine you really are!!!
I don't need to leave the United States to know or see that "REAL" poverty is happening EVERYDAY here on our own soil. There are American school children who would normally go hungry if it were not for the FREE breakfast and Lunch programs at their school......these kids go hungry from Friday until Monday with very little or no food.....so, I am not as concerned with children in Foreign Countries as I am for children here.
Now, you can believe as you want....but under this Constitution.....I have the FREEDOM to believe as I want to......and as a Military Veteran......I've earned that right to that Freedom!!!
By you saying that you never saw hunger, you never saw death because a person didn't have water for 4 days. Yes there is proverty here, but to compared it to what goes on in a lot of parts of the world, you have got to be joking. Dogs in this country live better then some humans around the world. If you were in the military and sent oversea, you would know this. Do you know what it is like to watch a man beat a women because she look at a military car going by, and you are not allowed to stop it because it is his right and beliefs.
killedjoe

White Plains, NY

#355 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm, we DON'T swear to tell the truth on the bible anymore nor mention God......seems that those who are Atheists managed to eliminate that........and the President ISN'T required to swear into office on a bible either.
Here's a little note for ya:
The Constitution does not require that the president take the oath of office by swearing on a Bible. That would have been a very simple requirement for the constitutional drafters to include. To the contrary, the Founders wanted to ensure that Americans of any faith -- or no faith -- could hold federal office.
They set it forth plainly in Article VI: "... No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Placing a hand on a Bible while reciting the presidential oath is simply a tradition started by George Washington. Indeed, two presidents, Teddy Roosevelt and John Quincy Adams, did not use a Bible at their swearing-in ceremonies.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/opinion/obeidal...
So, it is done again with regards to Tradition.....BUT it is NOT required!!!
You want to call it tradition. What is tradition. The belief to continue a act and a belief that is carried on. You tell me what President is ever go to swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution without placing his/her hand on the Bible.

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#356 Jul 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Again twisting words. Yes I served. Without the Declaration, the Constitution would be meaningless. Such has the opening of the bill of right. WE THE PEOPLE. The laws of the land is part of the reason we declare to the world that our CREATOR, no matter if you want to twist it around, gave us rights that were plain and simple. LIFE LIBERTY and the PERSUE of Happiness. The constitution is more important. You question in the beginning, which you seems to forgot, the laws is not the bible. If it not who is creator, LIFE< LIBERTY and Happiness.
I'm not twisting any words.....just stating a fact that you don't want to see.......find DON'T see it.

Actually you are wrong......we DON'T defend the Declaration with our lives.....we DO the Constitution....at least I do:-)

All you keep doing is repeating your previous posts......again, the laws of this Country are DICTATED by the Constitution.

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#357 Jul 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> You want to call it tradition. What is tradition. The belief to continue a act and a belief that is carried on. You tell me what President is ever go to swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution without placing his/her hand on the Bible.
There are a few who have done it and there might be more in the Future......but as the link states......IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT TO DO SO......and I seriously doubt if an Atheist becomes President one day that he or she will swear on a bible!!!

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#358 Jul 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I guess you mean you are normal in your deviancy of normal.
No, normal as anyone else......just because I am attracted and married to a woman doesn't make me less normal of a person......no matter what you believe!!!

Again, you judge me based on my sexual orientation, not because you actually know me in real life......for shame!!!

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#359 Jul 20, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Did you forget "so help me god" when sworn.
We don't say, "So help me God" anymore.....not for witnesses and not for the Military and not for the President.......why? BECAUSE not everyone believes in God.....and it can OFFEND those who have different religious freedoms!!!

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#360 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
I mean this thread is supposedly discussing Homosexuality......and yet, more religion is being discussed....wonder why?
Oh, OK - I'll take the blame for that - I started this thread with the full knowledge that the people I am addressing are largely affiliated with Christianity. Martinsville, VA is my hometown and I noted that EVERY discussion in this local forum dealt with Bible literature or disagreements about Bible interpretations. I accused these people of not confronting this issue of homosexuality because of their religious views and so, this discussion has mostly revolved around religious ideas.

Most here have succumbed to the idea that the law is going to allow homosexual lifestyles even though they don't want it to. Few people here have been confronted with it directly since most live in states that still do not recognize same-sex marriages. I suggest that it is only a matter of time before same-sex marriages are recognized throughout the US and so these Christians need to come to terms with how this will affect them personally. The Christians in this forum are concerned about the consequences of it all - not necessarily for the homosexuals - but for the Christians who find it offensive to support homosexual living. They feel that they have the right to interpret the Bible as being against public homosexuality and that the government will soon be taking that right away.

Do you think their fears are substantiated? Your opinion is important since you know first-hand the consequences of legalized same-sex marriage.

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#361 Jul 20, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Oh, OK - I'll take the blame for that - I started this thread with the full knowledge that the people I am addressing are largely affiliated with Christianity. Martinsville, VA is my hometown and I noted that EVERY discussion in this local forum dealt with Bible literature or disagreements about Bible interpretations. I accused these people of not confronting this issue of homosexuality because of their religious views and so, this discussion has mostly revolved around religious ideas.
Most here have succumbed to the idea that the law is going to allow homosexual lifestyles even though they don't want it to. Few people here have been confronted with it directly since most live in states that still do not recognize same-sex marriages. I suggest that it is only a matter of time before same-sex marriages are recognized throughout the US and so these Christians need to come to terms with how this will affect them personally. The Christians in this forum are concerned about the consequences of it all - not necessarily for the homosexuals - but for the Christians who find it offensive to support homosexual living. They feel that they have the right to interpret the Bible as being against public homosexuality and that the government will soon be taking that right away.
Do you think their fears are substantiated? Your opinion is important since you know first-hand the consequences of legalized same-sex marriage.
No worries......rarely is ANY thread solely about what the title of it claims......I got a little frustrated, but held my own and remained as polite as possible.........hope I didn't cause you any embarrassment!!!

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#362 Jul 20, 2013
This discussion took a "word-twisting" turn that I think I can untangle.

One of my original questions was: how is a person considered homosexual? What are the conditions that would determine a person to homosexual? Everyone is still being very vague about it..

Is a person "homsexual" if...

1)..he/she engages in sex with a person of the same gender?

2)..he/she has thoughts about sex with a person of the same gender?

3}..he/she engages in sodomy?

4)..he/she makes a life-long commitment to co-exist with a person of the same gender?

5)..he/she makes a life-long commitment to co-exist with a person that they do not have a sexual relationship with?

6)..he/she denies his/her true sexual urges and obligates him/herself to a relationship that is not sexually satisfying?

I would like to remind everyone that both homosexual and heterosexual people do each of those things. Especially for people who disagree with homosexuality, who are the homosexual people and how do you identify them? How would you feel about finding out that a person you have known and accepted for a long time is actually homosexual and you did not know?

Homosexual people have been described as perverted and deviant - do you even know who you are talking about?

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#363 Jul 20, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
Do you think their fears are substantiated? Your opinion is important since you know first-hand the consequences of legalized same-sex marriage.
No, I don't.....because no one is telling them they have to accept or approve of anything......they are NOT the Government......and in states that Marriage Equality is being passed through the legislators......they are overreaching on the protections(in my opinion)given to Churches and their property that they use for other public events.

The true consequence is being felt more by the Gay and Lesbian couples and their families.....they pay more for healthcare, insurance and are being told that even though they are American Citizens, they simply don't have the right to marry the person that they love and want to share their lives with.

See, one of the things I don't understand is how is my marriage actually affecting you or anyone else in West Virginia? How did Richard Loving's marriage to his wife truly affect any other couple in Virginia? Why do these folks think that their religious beliefs should dictate to me how I should believe? Again, I'm suppose to respect their religious beliefs but all day, I have been accused of being perverted, abnormal, a person with no morals because I don't believe in that supposed moral code given in the bible and that I twist every post......yet no one wants to respect my religious believes or my right to be treated as ever other American Citizen is treated regarding one of the MOST important decisions regarding my life........I have one poster who can't understand the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.......I know I do and regardless of whether it is a choice to be a Lesbian or it's innate......last time I check.....I was white, over 21 and quite able to run my life as I see fit within the confinements of the laws of both the state and federal government.......and I'm sorry if I'm venting!!!

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#364 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries......rarely is ANY thread solely about what the title of it claims......I got a little frustrated, but held my own and remained as polite as possible.........hope I didn't cause you any embarrassment!!!
Oh, no - your opinion is exactly right since everyone is allowed an opinion - honesty is only embarrassing if you have an investment in the opinion of OTHER people. My opinion is: I can handle reality and if other people want to make a REAL difference, they have to be able to confront reality too. Christians are living in denial when they believe they can wish homosexuality away - homosexuality exists. The fact that the government has taken THIS long to recognize it is a shame - and long over-due.

I try to respect all opinions, even when I disagree with them. If you had always been taught to disregard homosexuality and you had no personal reason to support homosexuality, you may have ended up with the opinion that other people should feel the same as you do. I can understand why people are against homosexuality, but I wish I could change their opinion by encouraging them to rationalize why they have that opinion.

I am a big fan of ethics. Ethics supports the idea treating heterosexual families and homosexual families equally. I like to encourage everyone to act ethically, regardless of their religious beliefs.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#365 Jul 20, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
This discussion took a "word-twisting" turn that I think I can untangle.
One of my original questions was: how is a person considered homosexual? What are the conditions that would determine a person to homosexual? Everyone is still being very vague about it..
Is a person "homsexual" if...
1)..he/she engages in sex with a person of the same gender?
2)..he/she has thoughts about sex with a person of the same gender?
3}..he/she engages in sodomy?
4)..he/she makes a life-long commitment to co-exist with a person of the same gender?
5)..he/she makes a life-long commitment to co-exist with a person that they do not have a sexual relationship with?
6)..he/she denies his/her true sexual urges and obligates him/herself to a relationship that is not sexually satisfying?
I would like to remind everyone that both homosexual and heterosexual people do each of those things. Especially for people who disagree with homosexuality, who are the homosexual people and how do you identify them? How would you feel about finding out that a person you have known and accepted for a long time is actually homosexual and you did not know?
Homosexual people have been described as perverted and deviant - do you even know who you are talking about?
A person can be classified Gay or Lesbian mostly by who they are sexually attracted to, EVEN if they don't act upon that attraction.

A person can be classified as being Bisexual mostly because they are sexually attracted to both sexes, again regardless of whether they act upon it or not.

A person can be classified as being Straight mostly by being sexually attracted to the opposite-sex, EVEN if they don't act upon that attraction.

Sodomy has NOTHING to do with one's sexual orientation......straights engage in anal sex the same as Gay men or Lesbians do.......that is a personal preference and has NOTHING to do with being just Gay.

I've learned that some folks can't be honest regarding this subject because in reality most have an issue with Gay men and if what Gay men do in the bedroom makes you feel disgusting......then don't think about it.......we don't think about what straights do in their bedroom......it's frankly NONE of my business.

There truly is no real difference between the daily lives of Gays and Lesbians......we go through our day like most people go through their day......we get up, shower, get dressed, have coffee, read the paper, run errands, pay bills and spend time with our children, grandchildren or nieces and nephews. We have pets, mortgages, health issues, stresses, worry about the general day to day stuff that other married couples worry about or dating stuff that one worries about........probably the biggest difference is that we don't have to worry about accidentally getting pregnant......but that's about it.......and there are Gays and Lesbians that are extremely religious and some who are not.....just like any other group........yet, we are falsely accused of harming children just because folks refuse to educate themselves on the proper terminology and think that if a man molests a boy that means the man was a homosexual and that's not accurate.

I could go on and on, but most of what I state will go over the heads of most here just because they refuse to listen!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#366 Jul 20, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, no - your opinion is exactly right since everyone is allowed an opinion - honesty is only embarrassing if you have an investment in the opinion of OTHER people. My opinion is: I can handle reality and if other people want to make a REAL difference, they have to be able to confront reality too. Christians are living in denial when they believe they can wish homosexuality away - homosexuality exists. The fact that the government has taken THIS long to recognize it is a shame - and long over-due.
I try to respect all opinions, even when I disagree with them. If you had always been taught to disregard homosexuality and you had no personal reason to support homosexuality, you may have ended up with the opinion that other people should feel the same as you do. I can understand why people are against homosexuality, but I wish I could change their opinion by encouraging them to rationalize why they have that opinion.
I am a big fan of ethics. Ethics supports the idea treating heterosexual families and homosexual families equally. I like to encourage everyone to act ethically, regardless of their religious beliefs.
Well, you are correct....Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time......Gay men have been allowed to marry before in certain centuries and they have been recorded, even if some want to deny the documents......and yes, everyone has a right to their opinion and religious beliefs......but those beliefs and opinions actually end where mine begin......and regardless of what some think they know about me.....they don't anything about me except what I allow them to know.

Like this is the first time in my life I have EVER been legally married......my wife and I will be celebrating our 5th wedding anniversary next month, we have been together a little over 6 years. My previous relationship ended when my partner passed away from an infection she got after having lower back surgery in 2002. We had been together for over 12 years and I grieved her death for 5 years.

Heterosexuals tend to take their marriages for granted, their families sometimes for granted and that they can divorce on a whim......Gays and Lesbians can do the same thing, but if they marry......for most it is because they have already made a life time commitment to their partner......some have well over 20 plus years together.........we aren't better at this marriage thing or commitment thing, but then that truly is part of the human condition.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#367 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't.....because no one is telling them they have to accept or approve of anything......they are NOT the Government......and in states that Marriage Equality is being passed through the legislators......they are overreaching on the protections(in my opinion)given to Churches and their property that they use for other public events.
The true consequence is being felt more by the Gay and Lesbian couples and their families.....they pay more for healthcare, insurance and are being told that even though they are American Citizens, they simply don't have the right to marry the person that they love and want to share their lives with.
See, one of the things I don't understand is how is my marriage actually affecting you or anyone else in West Virginia? How did Richard Loving's marriage to his wife truly affect any other couple in Virginia? Why do these folks think that their religious beliefs should dictate to me how I should believe? Again, I'm suppose to respect their religious beliefs but all day, I have been accused of being perverted, abnormal, a person with no morals because I don't believe in that supposed moral code given in the bible and that I twist every post......yet no one wants to respect my religious believes or my right to be treated as ever other American Citizen is treated regarding one of the MOST important decisions regarding my life........I have one poster who can't understand the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.......I know I do and regardless of whether it is a choice to be a Lesbian or it's innate......last time I check.....I was white, over 21 and quite able to run my life as I see fit within the confinements of the laws of both the state and federal government.......and I'm sorry if I'm venting!!!
You vent, girl! It IS upsetting that the legal challenges of homosexual couples are regularly ignored so that people OTHER than homosexual couples can be satisfied with THEIR morals.

It is offensive to describe you as "perverted" because your sexual activities are no one's business. I am heterosexual, but maybe I have sex once a year and maybe I have sex with different partners 10 times a day - it's not anyone's business - and how "perverted" I am has no relationship with how heterosexual I am. There are plenty of perverted heterosexual people. Do not feel pressured to elaborate on your sex life - my point is: it is no one's business but yours.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#368 Jul 20, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You vent, girl! It IS upsetting that the legal challenges of homosexual couples are regularly ignored so that people OTHER than homosexual couples can be satisfied with THEIR morals.
It is offensive to describe you as "perverted" because your sexual activities are no one's business. I am heterosexual, but maybe I have sex once a year and maybe I have sex with different partners 10 times a day - it's not anyone's business - and how "perverted" I am has no relationship with how heterosexual I am. There are plenty of perverted heterosexual people. Do not feel pressured to elaborate on your sex life - my point is: it is no one's business but yours.
Thanks, I don't get into the personal or intimate aspects of my life......the really general stuff I don't mind but on topix, even some of that needs to be kept close.......okay my friend.....I'm off:-)

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