Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#62 Jul 24, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> I am not saying that Jesus was married, but I am saying why would that change things with people. Why does this marriage thing with Jesus cause panic. One thing you are right about, jews did believe very much in marriage.
Jews loved their children too. They would have never become Christians without having their children baptized with them just like the bible said when the whole households of Jews were baptized.

Children are a gift from God, not pagans waiting to turn 8,10,14 or whatever age Protestants make up to become 'children of God'.

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#63 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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If the Bible has it right, the CC has it right. She created the Bible.
Protestants contributed nothing to the the Holy Bible, but took away 7 books and misinterpreted it.
Read some history.
Ive read both and the bible was not a creation of the RCC that did not exist for years. The bible was and is the WORDS of GOD Given by the Holy Spirit and pasted down using anyone (Even the RCC) by God to bring his truth to the world and each man, not to a church. Thats bible.

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#64 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Thisnis typical about Protestants. Everybody believe what you want and everybody else is wrong
Why did Paul not know that Peter was the first Pope? Lets start at the beginning to establish your claims.

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#65 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Ive read both and the bible was not a creation of the RCC that did not exist for years. The bible was and is the WORDS of GOD Given by the Holy Spirit and pasted down using anyone (Even the RCC) by God to bring his truth to the world and each man, not to a church. Thats bible.
Please explain the pasted down process. I'm not familiar with that concept but it's possible I wasn't paying attention at the time it was discussed in CofC Sunday school. By the way I had one of those perfect attendance pins to which a bar was added for every year one didn't miss a Sunday. Mine was so long it looked like a general's medals. I flushed it when I was about 16.

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#66 Jul 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Please explain the pasted down process. I'm not familiar with that concept but it's possible I wasn't paying attention at the time it was discussed in CofC Sunday school. By the way I had one of those perfect attendance pins to which a bar was added for every year one didn't miss a Sunday. Mine was so long it looked like a general's medals. I flushed it when I was about 16.
I have no idea what your talking about here.
The problem was you needed a chest to pin it on. Is this similar to the claim that Peters name was mentioned so much in the bible that he had to be the Pope? Never saw Paul or Peter make claims like you make here.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#67 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Why did Paul not know that Peter was the first Pope? Lets start at the beginning to establish your claims.
I have no claims. The Church Jesus started teaches me. You can read it for free.

The beginning was 2000 years ago when Jesus started his Church and said nothing about a book.

But Paul made sure he visisted the man Jesus left the Keys with.

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* Then after three years* I went up to Jerusalem to confer with Cephas and remained with him for fifteen days.m
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But I did not see any other of the apostles,
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#68 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Ive read both and the bible was not a creation of the RCC that did not exist for years. The bible was and is the WORDS of GOD Given by the Holy Spirit and pasted down using anyone (Even the RCC) by God to bring his truth to the world and each man, not to a church. Thats bible.
How did that work out when only 10% of the world could read until 1470? It didn't. The Church was established to teach.

Even today there is a large population of the world who are illiterate.

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#69 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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I have no idea what your talking about here.
The problem was you needed a chest to pin it on. Is this similar to the claim that Peters name was mentioned so much in the bible that he had to be the Pope? Never saw Paul or Peter make claims like you make here.
Sorry, but you are the one making unsubstantiated claims about the origin of the NT. And FYI Pope is an English word. One of my grandfathers was a "pope." We called him Papa and he was a Mormon bishop which had nothing to do with all us grandkids calling him Papa. I guess Papa Johns Pizza could just as easily be Pope John's Pizza. You wallow in silliness if you think every detail and contingency of Church organization and leadership is found in the New Testament.

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#70 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I have no claims. The Church Jesus started teaches me. You can read it for free.
The beginning was 2000 years ago when Jesus started his Church and said nothing about a book.
But Paul made sure he visisted the man Jesus left the Keys with.
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* Then after three years* I went up to Jerusalem to confer with Cephas and remained with him for fifteen days.m
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But I did not see any other of the apostles,
Christ claim was he was the WORD, not the tradition, the WORD. Then the Holy spirit as in times past had the writers write the word, Just as Moses, David and others did in the past. Isnt interesting you claim the word could not be read. Wonder why the old scriptures were written if they could not be read. Wonder why Paul wasted his time writing to a people that could not read. Maybe the Holy Spirit messed up and didnt know people could not read. All of the sudden God thought man cant read so lets not put down my word in written form? HISTORY tells us they were written down by others before your claim of the RCC writting it down.

Now start at the beginning, Why was Peter not recognized as the Pope if thats is what he was?

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#71 Jul 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Sorry, but you are the one making unsubstantiated claims about the origin of the NT. And FYI Pope is an English word. One of my grandfathers was a "pope." We called him Papa and he was a Mormon bishop which had nothing to do with all us grandkids calling him Papa. I guess Papa Johns Pizza could just as easily be Pope John's Pizza. You wallow in silliness if you think every detail and contingency of Church organization and leadership is found in the New Testament.
If Church organization is not found and followed in the bible it is of Man. In your case by the pope.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#73 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Christ claim was he was the WORD, not the tradition, the WORD. Then the Holy spirit as in times past had the writers write the word, Just as Moses, David and others did in the past. Isnt interesting you claim the word could not be read. Wonder why the old scriptures were written if they could not be read. Wonder why Paul wasted his time writing to a people that could not read. Maybe the Holy Spirit messed up and didnt know people could not read. All of the sudden God thought man cant read so lets not put down my word in written form? HISTORY tells us they were written down by others before your claim of the RCC writting it down.
Now start at the beginning, Why was Peter not recognized as the Pope if thats is what he was?
I don't care what he is called, Jesus told Peter he would build his Church on him after he changed his name.

He did not mention Luther, Calvin, or Campbell.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#74 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't care what he is called, Jesus told Peter he would build his Church on him after he changed his name.
He did not mention Luther, Calvin, or Campbell.
Nor did he mention Catholicism.

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#75 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't care what he is called, Jesus told Peter he would build his Church on him after he changed his name.
He did not mention Luther, Calvin, or Campbell.
Yep Luther Calvin or Campbell were not present and by the proper rendering of the text you know he is not speaking of Peter here as a person but the Rock of Faith. Yet you want to hang on this false claim made by man at a far later date. It funny no others present saw this to mean Peter was what the church was built on.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#76 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Yep Luther Calvin or Campbell were not present and by the proper rendering of the text you know he is not speaking of Peter here as a person but the Rock of Faith. Yet you want to hang on this false claim made by man at a far later date. It funny no others present saw this to mean Peter was what the church was built on.
Every Christian in the first Millennium saw this to mean Peter was who the Church was built.

Show me one Apostle who said Peter was not in Charge. I have already listed many verses that showed his primacy, including Jesus' own words:

"You are Peter and upon you I will build my Church"

What about Satan picking out only Peter to go after. Why? It didn't work with Jesus.

Luke

31
*“Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you* like wheat,s
32
but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
33

Here are a few early Christians on Peter.

Please show me some early Christian writing up to AD 300 that Peter was not the head of the Church. I am eagerly waiting.

Clement of Alexandria

"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly g.asped and understood their meaning. And what does he say?‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’[Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]" (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).



Tertullian

"For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]" (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]).

"[T]he Lord said to Peter,‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’[Matt. 16:18–19].... Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).



The Letter of Clement to James

"Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).



Origen

"[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter ... a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens" (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]).

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#77 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Every Christian in the first Millennium saw this to mean Peter was who the Church was built.

Show me one Apostle who said Peter was not in Charge. I have already listed many verses that showed his primacy, including Jesus' own words:

"You are Peter and upon you I will build my Church"

What about Satan picking out only Peter to go after. Why? It didn't work with Jesus.

Luke

31
*“Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you* like wheat,s
32
but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
33

Here are a few early Christians on Peter.

Please show me some early Christian writing up to AD 300 that Peter was not the head of the Church. I am eagerly waiting.

Clement of Alexandria

"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly g.asped and understood their meaning. And what does he say?‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’[Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]" (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).



Tertullian

"For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]" (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]).

"[T]he Lord said to Peter,‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’[Matt. 16:18–19].... Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).



The Letter of Clement to James

"Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).



Origen

"[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter ... a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens" (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]).
Colossians 1:18 says it all.

Case closed.

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#78 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Every Christian in the first Millennium saw this to mean Peter was who the Church was built.
Show me one Apostle who said Peter was not in Charge. I have already listed many verses that showed his primacy, including Jesus' own words:
"You are Peter and upon you I will build my Church"
What about Satan picking out only Peter to go after. Why? It didn't work with Jesus.
Luke
31
*“Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you* like wheat,s
32
but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
33
Here are a few early Christians on Peter.
Please show me some early Christian writing up to AD 300 that Peter was not the head of the Church. I am eagerly waiting.
Clement of Alexandria
"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly g.asped and understood their meaning. And what does he say?‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’[Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]" (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
"For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]" (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]).
"[T]he Lord said to Peter,‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’[Matt. 16:18–19].... Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).
The Letter of Clement to James
"Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).
Origen
"[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter ... a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens" (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]).
Show me an apostle who view Peter as the founder of the church. Show me Paul who opposed the founder of the church (peter according to you) saying Peter was the founder and you got me.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#79 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Every Christian in the first Millennium saw this to mean Peter was who the Church was built.
Show me one Apostle who said Peter was not in Charge. I have already listed many verses that showed his primacy, including Jesus' own words:
"You are Peter and upon you I will build my Church"
What about Satan picking out only Peter to go after. Why? It didn't work with Jesus.
Luke
31
*“Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you* like wheat,s
32
but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
33
Here are a few early Christians on Peter.
Please show me some early Christian writing up to AD 300 that Peter was not the head of the Church. I am eagerly waiting.
Clement of Alexandria
"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly g.asped and understood their meaning. And what does he say?‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’[Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]" (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).
Tertullian
"For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]" (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]).
"[T]he Lord said to Peter,‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’[Matt. 16:18–19].... Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).
The Letter of Clement to James
"Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).
Origen
"[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter ... a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens" (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]).
Your right. Jesus did say to him that he will be in charge. But when peter died on the cross upside down, he did not pass on the authority to anyone.

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#80 Jul 24, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Colossians 1:18 says it all.
Case closed.
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18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For [aa]it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the [ab]fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in [ac]heaven.
Mike Peterson

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#81 Jul 24, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Colossians 1:18 says it all.

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Amen. The CC agrees with that verse. It wrote it and put in the Bible.

"He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent."

This proves he started a Church and did not leave a book. But he knew he was going to heaven, and he left somebody as head of his Church, Peter.

From his own mouth. "You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."

God did the same in the OT. Always had a man on Earth to lead. Abraham, Moses, Isaac, David, etc.

It is called Authority. Without Authority you get chaos, Protestantism.

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#82 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Amen. The CC agrees with that verse. It wrote it and put in the Bible.
"He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent."
This proves he started a Church and did not leave a book. But he knew he was going to heaven, and he left somebody as head of his Church, Peter.
From his own mouth. "You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."
God did the same in the OT. Always had a man on Earth to lead. Abraham, Moses, Isaac, David, etc.
It is called Authority. Without Authority you get chaos, Protestantism.
Matthew 16:18 (New American Standard Bible)
18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
This is what the text said not what you put.

The church is built upon Jesus Christ: 1 Cor 3:11, not Peter. Although Matt16:18 is appealed to as a papal proof text, it is lacking of any such proof.

I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. John 16:12-13
Yes Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit to proclaim the word of God, but so were the rest of the apostles. Peter is not given any special status and the promise of the Holy Spirit applies equally to all the apostles.

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