Is the Church of Christ a cult?

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Barnsweb

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#43
Oct 2, 2010
 
“And He said to them,‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature’”(Mark 16:15).

This is at the top of the web page. I agree. Did Jesus preach the gospel? Is what Jesus said to be equated with the gospel? In my opinion sermons should be based upon the doctrine as taught by Jesus Christ. Jesus didn't base sermons on putting everyone else down who believed in Him but had some misunderstandings of lack of understanding in what He was teaching. Jesus told the truth and taught it was necessary to abide in those truths.

I was offended by Wayne and Jason because of their narrow-mindedness on some topics that could only see Church of Christ doctrine instead of what God has declared true. I've also enjoyed a few conversations with Wayne and Jason. I love them as Christian brothers, but do wish they would come to the understanding that Christianity is about discipleship to Him alone. See the great commission of Matthew, as well as His teachings - the gospel He preached.

Sure, offenses will come, but we all need to get by that and seek to do the will of the Lord. As Jesus said in one place, "Why do you call Me Lord and not do what I say?"
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Oct 2, 2010
 
Barnsweb, within the gospel that you preach, what is the answer to man's sin problem. For some reason I can't get you give me an answer.

FlatIron, Joey, justchristian, how does God resolve our sin problem?
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Oct 2, 2010
 
Fried Green Potatoes wrote:
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Here's something I know about judgement day...
It will be in that place that you will realize that all the hard work you put in (see below) will have absolutely nothing to do with your eternal destination. It's going to all rest on the Man sitting on that seat, and his finished work on the cross.
Must tell all other Christians that they are wrong!
Must do communion every Sunday!
Must use the right kind of cups in communion!
Must NOT play guitars or organs in worship!
Must be baptized!
Must not miss a Sunday!
Must remain in fear about whether or not my salvation will "keep"!
You all must be exhausted working your way to heaven!
Me? I work, too. I do my best to be faithful to Scripture, not out of fear of doing it absolutely right or risk losing it all, but out of gratitude for my salvation.
Mark 12:33 "To love Him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
FGP out.
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.(Rom.2:6-9)

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.(Rev. 14:13)

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.(Acts 10:34,35)

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb.5:9)

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(James 2:24)



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Bobby

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Oct 3, 2010
 
This May Help wrote:
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6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.(Rom.2:6-9)
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.(Rev. 14:13)
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.(Acts 10:34,35)
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb.5:9)
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(James 2:24)
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How do you know when you have met these standards, will he be able to say to you "well done my good and faithful servant"? What will you say when you find you missed something along the way?
The Lords Church

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Oct 3, 2010
 
Bobby wrote:
Barnsweb, within the gospel that you preach, what is the answer to man's sin problem. For some reason I can't get you give me an answer.
FlatIron, Joey, justchristian, how does God resolve our sin problem?
Paul's sins were forgiven when he was baptized (immersed in water for the remission of sins) according to (Acts 22:16).

16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Fried Green Potatoes

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Oct 3, 2010
 
Barnsweb

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Oct 3, 2010
 
Bobby wrote:
Barnsweb, within the gospel that you preach, what is the answer to man's sin problem. For some reason I can't get you give me an answer.
FlatIron, Joey, justchristian, how does God resolve our sin problem?
Bobby, the primary answer is the love, mercy, faithfulness and grace of God. As for myself, I'm not a preacher, but do like to frequent religious debate message boards. There is a place where a Scripture says that Jesus came to turn us from our iniquities to do the will of God. Actually, although often misunderstood or misrepresented, the Church of Christ 5 step is a start. First we have to hear the gospel, then we have to believe it, which leads us to repent to do the will of God, then comes the promise of God in baptism to receive forgiveness of past sins and the promised Holy Spirit as an actual indwelling, and confessing the Lord is something not only done at baptism, that we believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, but that we continue to confess Jesus as our Lord for the rest of our life - so long as the Lord our God gives us life to breathe and speak. Part of our confession is to not just say it to be baptized, but to say it in our actions and life as we abide in His word and will. The primary part of the ongoing confession is to let His will be done in our lives, and that we do what He said His disciples will do, and this gets to the point of what a real 'personal relationship' is with the Lord: imitating Jesus in our life - only He can bring it all together in His ways and His time, but He certainly is faithful to continue in us that which He began, if we will submit to Him as Lord.

Something tells me you will disagree with what I think though:-)
Barnsweb

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Oct 3, 2010
 
Fried Green Potatoes wrote:
http://www.gotquestions.org/ba ptism-Acts-22-16.html
FGP out.
Consider the great commission of Jesus and that baptism of the disciples is one of the things Jesus said to do, but that they were to stay at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit came upon them. Then when He did, that Peter quoted Joel about 'calling on the name of the Lord' and that this charge culminated as meaning baptism for the forgiveness of sins and receiving the promised Comforter as being the promise of God to all generations to come - so many as the Lord would call.

I see the matter as a decree of promise from God, and that some take this to say it is merely an 'outward sign of an inward grace' is a mystery to me that the Spirit nor Jesus revealed as such - it seems They were quite serious about the matters importance in the gospel. In fact, when on earth Jesus taught that he that believes and is baptized shall be saved and that he that does not believe will be condemned. I wonder what He would have to say about dividing the word of God that He preached to instead ignore His commandments?
Bobby

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Oct 3, 2010
 
The Lords Church wrote:
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Paul's sins were forgiven when he was baptized (immersed in water for the remission of sins) according to (Acts 22:16).
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Thanks for that answer, you are always helpful to me. Your answer reveals what I constantly remind you of. And that is that Jesus is the answer to man's sin problem. You never see Jesus as Savior, you see your own obedience as the answer to sin, making you your own savior.

Nova, Is salvation a reward? I see a lot of silence from you on this...

Hey folks, meet king nova the messiah...
Tiffany

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#52
Sep 16, 2013
 
Coc-er wrote:
I prefer "obey the gospel" to "got saved" or "got baptized".
I dont mind the term "Lords church" because there is only one church and its His.
The biggest problem w/terms are the way some twist them around and use them. But in that same spirit, throwing the term cult at people doesnt help anyones cause.
Do you think it helps to win over JW's or Mormons by calling them cultists? But then again, this thread seems to be more of an attack than info.
Coc IS a cult. I have listened to testimonies from people who are in fact survivors of severe abuse I that church. Disworshipping and Tying kids up and beating them for nothing IS wrong and the coc DOES practice this.

Coc members are hypocrites and DO NOT know or understand God.
Tiffany

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Sep 16, 2013
 
In addition, coc members are very legalistic judge mental oppressive and unloving. For example, I have been told about situations where coc members show up unannounced at ex members houses threatening them that they are going to hell if they do not go to their church.

This is a wrong practice it's not Christ like at all. They are constantly making up their own rules to kick people out of their church or disfellowship them for non-biblical reasons.

They are so oppressive most people who leave their cult turn completely away from God.
Mike Peterson

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Sep 16, 2013
 

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Tiffany wrote:
In addition, coc members are very legalistic judge mental oppressive and unloving. For example, I have been told about situations where coc members show up unannounced at ex members houses threatening them that they are going to hell if they do not go to their church.
This is a wrong practice it's not Christ like at all. They are constantly making up their own rules to kick people out of their church or disfellowship them for non-biblical reasons.
They are so oppressive most people who leave their cult turn completely away from God.
All Protestant communities (and individuals) make up their own rules.

Don't like the one you are in, there is one next door with a better parking lot and coffee machine.

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Sep 16, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
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Thanks for that answer, you are always helpful to me. Your answer reveals what I constantly remind you of. And that is that Jesus is the answer to man's sin problem. You never see Jesus as Savior, you see your own obedience as the answer to sin, making you your own savior.
Nova, Is salvation a reward? I see a lot of silence from you on this...
Hey folks, meet king nova the messiah...
Hebrews 11:6

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

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