Making some changes
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#183 Jul 3, 2014
JesusCreed wrote:
Are you related to the late Father Mike Peterson who died from Aids. Or, do you just use this name as your handle for Topix? Or perhaps this Mike Peterson > http://www.theleaven.com/V32/v32n39peterson.h...
Doubt Mike will reply to this...

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#184 Jul 3, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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Doubt Mike will reply to this...
I have made a few posts lately that have not been showing up. Don't know if it me, or the site.

My name is Mike Peterson. The only reason not to use your real name if you don't want people to know it is you. For some reason your beliefs bother you that other people you know might find out. It is very common name. I converted to the Church Jesus started in 1973 when I was in college.

I recently had to place my wife in an assisted living home after 41 years of marriage. I have 4 children from ages 40 to 33 with 5 grandchildren and one on the way.

The reason I joined the Church is I believe that God wants everybody in the world to so they can have the sacraments he created to provide the means of eternal life.

I realized early from listening to different preachers interpret the same verse differently that something was wrong. After taking many history courses in college, it was very obvious that the Catholic Church was the church of the 1st century.

The college I went to was a secular college and many of my professors were Jews, agnostics or atheists. Especially the history ones who had doctorate degrees.

I work for an internationally know company and in the last 7 years have traveled extensively in the southeast.

I have been an adult altar server, song leader, lector and lay eucharistic minister.

By far, I enjoy reading the written word of God at Mass.

Now everybody come clean with their real names. Why be ashamed? Bobby , I know your Catholic friends would like to know how you really feel about your church.

Some of my protester friends tell me what they think.
Never ceases to amaze me

Chicago, IL

#185 Jul 3, 2014
Dave P wrote:
In 1 Peter 4:17, that word obey means a will full disbelief. It is from the Greek root word that Faith or belief comes from. What happens to those who refuse to believe the gospel? That's Peters message there.
That is a complete distortion of the translation. "Apeitheo" is never translated obey. A couple of times it is translated "obey not" in the KJV as in 1 Peter 4:17 but obey is usually not used at all in translating "Apeitheo" and it is "obey not" when the word obey is used in the doing so, just as 1 Peter 4:17 says in the KJV..
Dave P wrote:
As for your Biblical issue,go check out the Greek text of that verse. Obey not is a form of the word peitho I believe. Apeitho or a form. No belief, a willful disbelief.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will tell you how dumb you are, but never bother to do any STUDY to see if someone is right or not. Go check it out NCTAM. Prove what I said is wrong.
"Peitho" has to do with believing and "Apeitho" not believing or obey and not obey if you will. No confusion on my part or the translators, so where does that leave us? Could the reason you were fired be your assuming that that no one else knows what they are speaking of or ever studies other than yourself? I would suggest the honest answer to this question would be a good starting point in making some changes, the rest will take care of itself.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#186 Jul 3, 2014
Dave P wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that people think the same guy uses 3 different names to post as. I have only been Newguy and Dave P here. After so long I thought "new" was no longer appropriate. Dave P is a short version of my actual name BTW.
As for my "firing", two men had a favorite younger guy they wanted to bring in and since I was resigning they decided to jump the gun by a couple weeks and bring him in anyway. Also, I have known my "replacement" my entire life. He is a good man with a great family. 2 people, and one especially, had problems with me.
As for your Biblical issue,go check out the Greek text of that verse. Obey not is a form of the word peitho I believe. Apeitho or a form. No belief, a willful disbelief.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will tell you how dumb you are, but never bother to do any STUDY to see if someone is right or not. Go check it out NCTAM. Prove what I said is wrong.
This is a perfect example why a congregational church is not Biblical and did not start once again until around 1800. Notice how many man made beliefs started in around 1800.

It is the sheep hiring the Shepherd. If they don't get the feed the "want" ,(notice Ididnt say need) they fire the shepherd or go create a new Church with a new Shepherd they hire and the cycle continues.
Never ceases to amaze me

Chicago, IL

#187 Jul 3, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I have made a few posts lately that have not been showing up. Don't know if it me, or the site.
My name is Mike Peterson. The only reason not to use your real name if you don't want people to know it is you. For some reason your beliefs bother you that other people you know might find out. It is very common name. I converted to the Church Jesus started in 1973 when I was in college.
I recently had to place my wife in an assisted living home after 41 years of marriage. I have 4 children from ages 40 to 33 with 5 grandchildren and one on the way.
The reason I joined the Church is I believe that God wants everybody in the world to so they can have the sacraments he created to provide the means of eternal life.
I realized early from listening to different preachers interpret the same verse differently that something was wrong. After taking many history courses in college, it was very obvious that the Catholic Church was the church of the 1st century.
The college I went to was a secular college and many of my professors were Jews, agnostics or atheists. Especially the history ones who had doctorate degrees.
I work for an internationally know company and in the last 7 years have traveled extensively in the southeast.
I have been an adult altar server, song leader, lector and lay eucharistic minister.
By far, I enjoy reading the written word of God at Mass.
Now everybody come clean with their real names. Why be ashamed? Bobby , I know your Catholic friends would like to know how you really feel about your church.
Some of my protester friends tell me what they think.
Are you ashamed to say is you are related to the late Father by your same name who died of AIDS? If so it is understandable but since you seem to wear the posting of you name as a badge of some type of vanity I would think you surely would not dodge the question. Anyway the question is personal as my itchy feet are, which I may or may not have.
Never ceases to amaze me

Chicago, IL

#188 Jul 3, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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This is a perfect example why a congregational church is not Biblical and did not start once again until around 1800. Notice how many man made beliefs started in around 1800.
It is the sheep hiring the Shepherd. If they don't get the feed the "want" ,(notice Ididnt say need) they fire the shepherd or go create a new Church with a new Shepherd they hire and the cycle continues.
So you think Dave's church should have kept him as a preacher even though his teachings have some significant problems as the Catholics have done for centuries. Maybe Dave's congregation has no intention of continuing in Catholic error, just a thought.
Never ceases to amaze me

Miami, FL

#189 Jul 3, 2014
Dave Randy cant give out his last name like all yall pansies, aint that right Mike. Mike sports his name proudly with no shame in
his game lol. These darn itchy feet.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#190 Jul 3, 2014
Never ceases to amaze me wrote:
<quoted text>So you think Dave's church should have kept him as a preacher even though his teachings have some significant problems as the Catholics have done for centuries. Maybe Dave's congregation has no intention of continuing in Catholic error, just a thought.
The Church has Bishops to watch over the Church, not the sheep just like the 1st century Churches. The Bishops, the Shepherds, assign the pastors and can remove them if there are problems.

No such thing as a congregation in Christianity. It was used in the Tyndale Bible monstrosity in the middle 1500s.

Another protestant invention
Randy

Axton, VA

#191 Jul 3, 2014
Well, I think Iím signing off. I told you Iím not Dave.
Never ceases to amaze me

Miami, FL

#192 Jul 3, 2014
Did you poo poo in ur diaper. Poor baby needs his BOTTLE. A cpl of Budweisers and you will be good to go. My darn butt itching now. Hehe

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#194 Jul 3, 2014
Never ceases to amaze me wrote:
<quoted text>Are you ashamed to say is you are related to the late Father by your same name who died of AIDS? If so it is understandable but since you seem to wear the posting of you name as a badge of some type of vanity I would think you surely would not dodge the question. Anyway the question is personal as my itchy feet are, which I may or may not have.
I love history. My family came from Denmark during the Civil War. A Mormon missionary brought over many on a ship during that time. My great great grandfather, Christian Petersen, broke his leg on the ship and he was left in NY when his group moved on to Utah. He joined he union army , settled in south Louisiana when the war ended and where he had met his future wife and became a Southern Baptist.

I am the only known Catholic on both sides of my family.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#195 Jul 3, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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I am guessing these two people are elders because they are the only ones to have the power to make those decisions. I learned one thing about the coc a long time ago. Even though they believe in multiple elders only one actually runs the show.
Who is the money man that runs things at yours?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#196 Jul 4, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I love history. My family came from Denmark during the Civil War. A Mormon missionary brought over many on a ship during that time. My great great grandfather, Christian Petersen, broke his leg on the ship and he was left in NY when his group moved on to Utah. He joined he union army , settled in south Louisiana when the war ended and where he had met his future wife and became a Southern Baptist.
I am the only known Catholic on both sides of my family.
My Minor was history btw. One of the most interesting stories in my genealogy came from Louisiana. My gg grandfather came from deep southern Georgia as a young man. His family was headed for Texas after losing the farm at the end of the civil war. They stayed in southern Louisiana for a while. There he met my gg grandmother who was an orphan. Her French parents died of the plague on the ship coming to New Orleans. The story goes that she was raised by a black family.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#197 Jul 4, 2014
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>My Minor was history btw. One of the most interesting stories in my genealogy came from Louisiana. My gg grandfather came from deep southern Georgia as a young man. His family was headed for Texas after losing the farm at the end of the civil war. They stayed in southern Louisiana for a while. There he met my gg grandmother who was an orphan. Her French parents died of the plague on the ship coming to New Orleans. The story goes that she was raised by a black family.
I enjoy historical stories like that

To deep in history is to cease being Ptotestant.

Marcus Grodi has helped over 2100 protester ministers find jobs and financial assurance when they made the decision to come home after their research of history.

This does not count the thousands of lay protestants that his ministry has touched.

Sometime you should watch his show on EWTN or on YouTube
Never ceases to amaze me

Chicago, IL

#198 Jul 4, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I love history. My family came from Denmark during the Civil War. A Mormon missionary brought over many on a ship during that time. My great great grandfather, Christian Petersen, broke his leg on the ship and he was left in NY when his group moved on to Utah. He joined he union army , settled in south Louisiana when the war ended and where he had met his future wife and became a Southern Baptist.
I am the only known Catholic on both sides of my family.
Your answer is interesting but not a definite answer. If you choose to answer please do so with a simple Yes or NO. Is Father Mike Peterson who died from AIDS related to you? It is understandable if you do not desire to answer as I said before.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#199 Jul 4, 2014
This is one of the oldest of his shows. The conversion of a non-denominational church member.



https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#200 Jul 5, 2014
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Salvation is by grace not works!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#201 Jul 5, 2014

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#202 Jul 5, 2014
Bobby wrote:
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
Salvation is by grace not works!
Here is a passage from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
The charity of Christ is the source in us of all our merits before God. Grace, by uniting us to Christ in active love, ensures the supernatural quality of our acts and consequently their merit before God and before men. The saints have always had a lively awareness that their merits were pure grace.

'After earth's exile, I hope to go and enjoy you in the fatherland, but I do not want to lay up merits for heaven. I want to work for your love alone.... In the evening of this life, I shall appear before you with empty hands, for I do not ask you, Lord, to count my works. All our justice is blemished in your eyes. I wish, then, to be clothed in your own justice and to receive from your love the eternal possession of yourself'(Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 2011 citing St. Therese of Lisieux).

ďIf only we encase ourselves in the armor of salvation against such a conflict, once we begin to refrain from sinning, we shall little by little blunt the edge of the enemyís attack and sap his strength; until at length we shall wing our flight to that place of repose, where triumph and boundless joy will be ours. The credit of the victory is to be ascribed solely to the grace of God, which within us gives light to the mind and strength to the will, when we rise superior to so many hindrances and contests. It is the grace of God, We say. For as He created us, so is He able, through the treasures of His wisdom and power, to set aflame and fill our hearts wholly with His loveĒ Pope Pius

BUT !!!! The bible is THAT/AND Bobby.

James 2:14-26
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#203 Jul 5, 2014
Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.

Mike, you cannot possibly know for sure that you are saved.

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