How does one “obey the Gospel?”
William

Mcdonough, GA

#41 Apr 10, 2013
The word "priest" doesn't show up in them either.

Curious, huh. ; )

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#42 Apr 10, 2013
And....
William

Mcdonough, GA

#43 Apr 10, 2013
Paul got a gospel to preach. Calls it MY gospel three times in his epistles. Romans 2:16 says that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to it.

What is Paul's gospel?

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#44 Apr 10, 2013
I will rehash my points I made earlier today. I will bring them back up tomorrow since they were not addressed. Night.
William

Mcdonough, GA

#45 Apr 10, 2013
Why didn't Peter preach "saved by grace through faith, and not of works lest any should boast" in Acts 2?

Why didn't Christ tell the disciples to go and preach that he died for their sins and was resurrected for their justification, so that they could go unto all the world with that message. Slip his mind?
William

Mcdonough, GA

#46 Apr 10, 2013
You can skip the standard CoC propaganda, JesusCreed. I already know it. It really isn't all that different from that of the RCC when the subject is "obeying the gospel."

Neither one rightly divides the word of truth, as called for in 2 Timothy 2:15. That is why confusion abounds.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#47 Apr 10, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
I don't see repentance in the verse you posted but we know from other passages that we must repent. Oh, the verse does mention baptism. Jesus also commissioned water baptism until the end of days. Paul says one baptism so it's not rocket science trying to determine which ONE he is speaking about.
You are a better student of the bible than I am. What I mean is that you apparently have better tools and a better education to use those tools than I do.

So you are probably right that most scholars believe this is water baptism. In the link below I found this statement which I already understood but i admit I have overlooked that fact:

"The Spirit is not the Baptizer and does not give the gift. Christ is the Baptizer, and Christ gives the gift. The Spirit is the gift."

However I believe you may benefit from the link below if you are inclined to read it.

http://bible.org/article/one-baptism-ephesian...

The scholars here are directly linked to bible churches, most of our leadership are graduates of DTS.

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#48 Apr 10, 2013
I have to get my kids to bed for School tomorrow so I will make this brief. Bobby, I totally disagree with your comment above. You are older and wiser than I ... and I know you know the Scriptures far better than me. Far as education, you probably have me there too... I dropped out in the 9 th grade. If you take note, I tend to discuss things via common sense.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#49 Apr 10, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
I have to get my kids to bed for School tomorrow so I will make this brief. Bobby, I totally disagree with your comment above. You are older and wiser than I ... and I know you know the Scriptures far better than me. Far as education, you probably have me there too... I dropped out in the 9 th grade. If you take note, I tend to discuss things via common sense.
I have 2 years of Junior college and did not learn much in school, I am more a hands on kind of guy- basically raised as a country boy. I think you are selling yourself way short, you are definitely way smarter than you seem to think. Keep the faith, it will sustain you!

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#50 Apr 10, 2013
William wrote:
You can skip the standard CoC propaganda, JesusCreed. I already know it. It really isn't all that different from that of the RCC when the subject is "obeying the gospel."
Neither one rightly divides the word of truth, as called for in 2 Timothy 2:15. That is why confusion abounds.
I'm not putting out coc propaganda. I am stating things as I understand them. Hopefully tomorrow you will address some of the comments I made. Simply kicking Peter aside will not suffice. Again, Acts 2:39 states the promise is not just Jewish in scope but universal- for those FAR OFF. And Jesus states a baptism done by men to make deciples until the end of time. Paul states there in ONE baptism thus by default the ONE baptism is the ONE that Jesus said would be until the end of time.
William

Birmingham, AL

#51 Apr 10, 2013
"Again, Acts 2:39 states the promise is not just Jewish in scope but universal - for those FAR OFF."

Peter never told those Jews that Christ died for their sins and was resurrected for their justification. Acts 2:37 does not say "what must we do TO BE SAVED" either. The entire exhortation by Peter in Acts 2 is to Jews, for Jews, and about Jews who repented for killing their Messiah and were THEN to go to "all nations" and preach the gospel that they were given. That gospel included water baptism and "teaching them to observe all things that I have given you."

Why didn't they go and do that without Paul having to come along?
William

Birmingham, AL

#52 Apr 10, 2013
Acts 3:19-21 (KJV)

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Acts 2:38 had no immediate salvation for these Jews either, as these verses explain. They had to endure to the end and have their sins blotted out at the second coming of Christ. But people everywhere today claim that if they "obey" Acts 2:38 and submit to water baptism that they are then forgiven of their sins.

They could not be further from the truth.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#53 Apr 11, 2013
Due to the workings of Satan to divide and confuse the very promises and word of God, we have a much fractured and obscured message understanding between us. How can that be if the Spirit of truth gave the message? The message given is clear enough, but if we don't take the 'sum' of what was given, and instead try to 'divide' the word of truth against itself, is this not the very working of Satan? Or just ignorant men speaking of things they don't understand or know, but pretend that they do?

Undeserved blind faith to a flawed translation is one thing we have to overcome if we are to find the real truth -

The price deficient was paid on the cross of Christ. God preached through Peter that the key is repentance, immersion in the name of the Christ for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter also agreed with Y'shua and Moses that we who have repented must turn to do as Y'shua taught, which is the point of the next few verses after 21 at the end of Acts 3.

Past sins were forgiven upon doing our part to agree with the promise of God, and repentance is to turn to do what God said to do. We are sanctified by the truth - as we continually seek to abide in all of it and to confess to God when we fail to do so. When Jesus forgave sin, don't you believe the sins forgiven were at that moment - rather than at the end when He makes all things new?

Sounds like you don't believe or understand the promise of God that Peter gave? Or that I don't understand what you said?

I agree faithfulness is required, just as abiding in the words of Jesus is required, but I'm trying to understand why you said 'They had to endure to the end to and have their sins blotted out at the second coming of Christ.' What other Scripture do you think supports that sin is not forgiven until the second coming?
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#54 Apr 11, 2013
AENT Acts 3:18-26;

And Elohim, according to that which beforehand He preached by the mouths of all the prophets, that His Mashiyach would suffer has fulfilled (it) in this manner. Repent, therefore, and be turned so that your sins be blotted out and times of rest come to you from before the presense of Master YHWH. And He sent to you that which He had prepared for you, the Mashiyach Y'shua. Whom it is necessary for Heaven to receive until the fulness of the times of all these (things) that Elohim spoke by the mouth of His Set Apart prophets of old. For Moshe said (that) a prophet will raise up for you from Master YHWH from your brothers. Hear him like me in everything that he speaks to you, and it will be (that) every soul which does not hear that prophet, that sould will perish from his people. And the prophets, all of them, Shmuel and those who were after him, spoke and preached concerning those days. You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant, that which Elohim placed on our forefathers when He said to Awraham (that) in your seed all the tribes of the earth will be blessed. Forst appointed to you, Elohim sent His Son blessing you if you turn and repent from your evils."

And doesn't this go hand in hand with what He said here?:

John 14:23,24; "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words, and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me."
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#55 Apr 11, 2013
AENT II Peter 1:9,10

"For he in whom these things are not found, is blind and does not see, and has forgotten the purification of his former sins. And therefore, my Brothers, you be exceedingly diligent to make your calling and election certain by your good actions; for, by so doing, you will never fall away."

So it seems the purification of past sins does not equate to the forgiveness of all future sin, but that certain things are needful after immersion to make our election sure..?

How else can we take it?

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#56 Apr 11, 2013
William wrote:
"Again, Acts 2:39 states the promise is not just Jewish in scope but universal - for those FAR OFF."
Peter never told those Jews that Christ died for their sins and was resurrected for their justification. Acts 2:37 does not say "what must we do TO BE SAVED" either. The entire exhortation by Peter in Acts 2 is to Jews, for Jews, and about Jews who repented for killing their Messiah and were THEN to go to "all nations" and preach the gospel that they were given. That gospel included water baptism and "teaching them to observe all things that I have given you."
Why didn't they go and do that without Paul having to come along?
I'm sorry but Scripture does not support your view:

Acts 2:36-40 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,“Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them,“Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

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#57 Apr 11, 2013
The baptism of the Great Commission, is an immersion administered by men. The command is:“Go ... make disciples ... baptizing them" -Matthew 28:19.

Paul declared there is “one baptism”(Ephesians 4:5). If you are advocating Spirit baptism, water baptism has been removed which would contradict Matthew 28:19, for that baptism was to continue to the end of the Christian age (Matthew 28:20).

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#58 Apr 11, 2013
One must be born of "water and the Spirit." -John 3:5. We are saved through the "washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." -Titus 3:5. These passages bear the same meaning as 1 Corinthians 12:13. Paul teaches that we enter into the body of Christ by means of the Spirit's teaching because by his teaching we learned that we needed to be baptized thus Paul could say, we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to.

The Holy Spirit reveals Scripture:“Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets BY THE SPIRIT”- Ephesians 3:5

And uses it as the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God -Ephesians 6:17.

The Spirit's role in conversion is to reveal to the sinner the word of God so that the Spirit, THROUGH THE WORD, can save him as he responds to the gospel.-Romans 10:17; James 1:18, 21.

Saul [Paul] was told of Ananias rise BE BAPTIZED and WASH YOUR SINS AWAY –Acts 22:16. Paul would not submit to one teaching then form another. Paul “obeyed the gospel” thus added to the BODY OF Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13 simply means that we enter into the body of Christ by means of the Spirit's teaching
William

Birmingham, AL

#59 Apr 11, 2013
"One must be born of "water and the Spirit." -John 3:5. We are saved through the "washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." -Titus 3:5. These passages bear the same meaning as 1 Corinthians 12:13"

Then you won't mind showing me where Paul said that we are to be "born again" in any of his 13 epistles, or where Jesus told Nicodemus that he and believing Israel could be "saved by grace through faith and not of works."

But hey, it's all one gospel, right?

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#60 Apr 11, 2013
Paul declared there is “one baptism”- Ephesians 4:5. If you are advocating Spirit baptism, that means water baptism has been removed which would contradict Matthew 28:19 - that baptism was to continue to the end of the Christian age (Matthew 28:20). Again, there isn’t TWO baptisms and Jesus states very plainly that water baptism was in order to make disciples and would continue to the end of the Christian age- Matthew 28:20.

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