I agree with you that Good works/obedience is not filthy rags unless we are depending on them for our salvation.It's OK to feel good about loving others more today than you did yesterday - isn't it?
Or to pray for someone who has persecuted or wronged you or scorned you for your faith in Jesus Christ?
There are many things that He said we are blessed to do, and I don't think He wants us to feel nothing we have done that He told us to is just filthy rags - we should feel good when we take His words to heart and live them out in our life.
To stay upon the 'filthy rags' thoughts too much might detract from the blessings and joy He intended for us to have in the more abundant life.
#241 Apr 17, 2013
#242 Apr 17, 2013
But depending on them to maintain your salvation?
#243 Apr 18, 2013
How about viewing it as doing the job you were hired to do?
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
People misread what Paul wrote in Romans 4 as it's ok not to work, forgetting that he also said you don't get to eat if you don't work. The point he was making is that faith is more important then works. Thus the faith focused people misread it as much as the works focused people misread James 2.
Faith alone is unbalanced just as works alone is unbalanced. Faith comes first, then works. We do our part because it is what we have been told to do, if you want to focus on a aspect that says you do it to stay saved, but we do works because he hired us to do works, he expects it. And if you are able to work and don't to help the cause of Christ then you are going to lose your job.
You can't be saved and work as the world works.
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right,Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me. 37 Then the righteous will answer Him,Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You? 40 The King will answer and say to them,Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.
41 Then He will also say to those on His left,Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me. 44 Then they themselves also will answer,Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [e]take care of You? 45 Then He will answer them,Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
So was Jesus lying when he stated the above? I read that and I see there are things that we can NOT DO ie. works that can earn us a ticket to hell.
Or am I missing his message in the above passages? And I have a cousin who died in a car accident who was living for himself and is most likely lost although he was baptized before he started on his own way. Short of him repenting to the Lord before he died and it being real he will most likely be lost to hell.
#244 Apr 18, 2013
"How about viewing it as doing the job you were hired to do?
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due."
Romans 4:4 (KJV)
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
What are you reading from? It certainly isn't a Bible.
#245 Apr 18, 2013
Oh please don't tell me you want to dance the King James dance with me! ;)
If you want we can start into the greek and see where it takes us. In the above passage they are pretty much in line with each other, so I have to assume this is your attempt to avoid what I wrote by introducing a change of topics, but I am happy to dance the KJV dance with you as the KJV is as poor a translation as any other translation, that is why I read several different translations and then review the Greek when it is a passage that seems confusing.
So are you changing topics and giving up the previous conversation, or would you like to continue as I am fully prepared to show the weakness of the KJV to you if you would like.
#246 Apr 18, 2013
So, you're a Greek scholar now?
If you read all these versions, coupled with your extensive knowledge of Greek (and probably Hebrew), then you should have no difficulty in producing a translation that is reliable to you without having to resort to multiple versions that all say something different between them.
Fair enough? God said that he would preserve his word, so here's your Big Chance to do a work that is pleasing to God.
#247 Apr 18, 2013
You might even make a few bucks at it too. It's worked for publishing houses and "translators" who for years have "decided" that "we need ANOTHER" translation because the hundreds that are on the market now "just don't get capture the word of God for our generation."
"Beware of the scribes..." Who was it that said that?
#248 Apr 19, 2013
Go reread the passages involving the restoration of Peter.
John 21:15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter,Simon, son of Jonah,[b] do you love Me more than these?
He said to Him,Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him,Feed My lambs.
16 He said to him again a second time,Simon, son of Jonah,[c] do you love Me?
He said to Him,Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him,Tend My sheep.
17 He said to him the third time,Simon, son of Jonah,[d] do you love Me? Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time,Do you love Me?
And he said to Him,Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.
Jesus said to him,Feed My sheep. 18 Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish. 19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him,Follow Me.
There is a huge difference in the greek when you see agapao that Jesus used and Phileo that Peter replied with both translated as love in almost all translations (haven't read them all)
Jesus asked him if he agapao'd him and Peter replied twice he Philao'd him, the third time that Jesus asked him he asked him if he Philao'd him, Peter knowing that Jesus had already told him before of a failure reads into this that Jesus is implying he can't even philao and will fail at that, and Peter being greatly disterbed answered again that he loved him at a brotherly love level, unable to boast at all, this is a huge change in Peter who was always the opposite. This is why Jesus told him he would agapeo him by telling him he would die with his hands stretched out and being tied by another, this is clearly a restoration statement of Jesus to tell Peter he will do more then he believes he can do at this time!
In the english without the knowledge of the greek it appears that Jesus is simply rubbing salt into Peter's failure by asking him 3 times. It does not show the subtle change from agapeo vs philao debate to the philao used by Jesus in the last question.
It does not take a scholar do see that, only common sense and some tools.
Now we can talk about Easter and how the scribes changed it in the KJV from the original Greek word for passover. A clear alteration of the original text.
#249 Apr 19, 2013
The day God releases me to preach his word it won't be from a man made temple that ALL denominational churches use, it will be from a home, and it will be to teach the old ways of the early church, leaving behind the temple system resurrected by the denominations that was never used by the early church.
And like Paul I will keep my day job to support myself and leave the funds collected from the body to feed the poor and reach the lost. Not for man made temples, or electronic bells and whistles. No recording systems for selling CDs or giving them away. No radio or TV ministries to fund.
Thus it won't be about the money, unlike today's systems, that has the denominational churches fighting over an ever decreasing population to pay for their toys.
But that will be in God's timing not mine.
#250 Apr 19, 2013
Is there a distinction between earing something VS having the right to something? I think so.
Revelation 22:14; "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."
#251 Apr 19, 2013
WIL with some good points on the Greek and the KJV. In most Bible versions you can't see that difference in the conversation with Jesus and Peter.
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