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Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#1 Jul 10, 2013
I predict: an economic collapse.

Prices are rising across the board. I expect them to rise more and more quickly before our monetary system somehow breaks down and then prices will skyrocket until only wealthy people can afford basic staples of living.

It seems to me that the government sees this in our future and has orchestrated a system of "pretend" government money that we can all lean on when our real money runs out. The real money is needed by our wealthy businesses for global commerce. This "pretend" money can be exchanged for goods and services - it already is!- we treat government money the same as real money - I expect soon there will be a marked difference. I think the government is providing a safety net for the panic that will happen when.. our economy collapses.

Maybe..
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#2 Jul 11, 2013
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_Da...

Old news, but you are right. Goes right back to the Bible, that the evil one would destroy many in their prosperity. Just another proof that God told us long ago what was to come upon the earth.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#3 Jul 11, 2013
Soon it may be that no one can buy or sell except they have the mark of the beast. Those who believe the lie have the mark on their forehead. Those who know better, but do it anyway - that is the mark on their hand. Both have a place reserved for them.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#4 Jul 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Soon it may be that no one can buy or sell except they have the mark of the beast. Those who believe the lie have the mark on their forehead. Those who know better, but do it anyway - that is the mark on their hand. Both have a place reserved for them.
Amen. Agree completely.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#5 Jul 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingw orldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/ 2013/7/9_Game_Over_-_Its_All_A _Farce%2C_The_Fed_%26_German_G old_Is_Gone.html
Old news, but you are right. Goes right back to the Bible, that the evil one would destroy many in their prosperity. Just another proof that God told us long ago what was to come upon the earth.
Why do you reject what the government is offering its citizens when you too can foresee chaos? Oh no - we are becoming socialists! I don't think we would be except that we have no choice. If our economy cannot afford to include us, the government is allowing a "different" option - we will be forced to choose it because it may soon be our "only" option.

For example: affordable health care - too affordable to refuse

Are you ready to let your money go? Did you invest in gold?

Are you ready to accept the new challenges of out-of-control inflation? It's already underway. It's building momentum.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#6 Jul 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Soon it may be that no one can buy or sell except they have the mark of the beast. Those who believe the lie have the mark on their forehead. Those who know better, but do it anyway - that is the mark on their hand. Both have a place reserved for them.
What IS this mark of the Beast?

Do I have this mark?

Keep your marker away from me.
Kathy Dont Go

Bowling Green, KY

#7 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#8 Jul 11, 2013
Looks as if you've already got it. Read his post closely. It answers your question.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#9 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Looks as if you've already got it. Read his post closely. It answers your question.
If I've got it - no one can see it - how will people know if I have the "mark of the Beast"?

Are you sure this "mark" isn't imaginary?
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#10 Jul 11, 2013
It's not a "literal" mark. Read Revelation 13:11-18. False religion and evil government working together. If you don't do what the beast says, believe as they tell you to- the mark on the forehead and hand- you can't buy or sell.

In other words, you can't function in society, survive, unless you think as they think and act as they act. Persecution, conformity, etc. Specially relevant for the first century, seen it oftentimes since. Believe we'll get there again.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#11 Jul 11, 2013
Kathy Dont Go wrote:
http://youtu.be/lknW2mzXMMY
"Kathy" would suggest that the "mark" will be an electronic scan inserted in each of our bodies to tally our money and information. Run to the woods, Kathy! Don't let the government get ya!

Well, I cannot argue, the government MAY want to insert computer chips in our bodies that will tally our information - medical information, at first - but why stop there? Criminal records, financial records, educational records.. If the government can keep your personal data on file - they never have to believe or not believe you about anything - your data will tell all. I hope the people in charge of storing data are honest.

I am not too keen about having a computer chip inserted into my body - I suppose I would only ever choose to do such a thing if I had no other choice. This would apply to Christians as well - it will not be their fault if they are given the "mark of the Beast" - they would be pressured to allow it as we all would be.

That wouldn't be a good way to separate the "believers" from the "non-believers" - the computer chip "mark" will be for everyone.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#12 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
It's not a "literal" mark. Read Revelation 13:11-18. False religion and evil government working together. If you don't do what the beast says, believe as they tell you to- the mark on the forehead and hand- you can't buy or sell.
In other words, you can't function in society, survive, unless you think as they think and act as they act. Persecution, conformity, etc. Specially relevant for the first century, seen it oftentimes since. Believe we'll get there again.
Dave! This is already true. "you can't function in society, survive, unless you think as they think and act as they act" - Do you mean by getting a job and using your income to fund the government that you cannot control? I KNOW!

Are you saying that all non-Christians have the mark of the Beast - not a literal mark, but a figurative mark that denotes who is working for the Devil? You are afraid that the non-Christians are going to take over control of the government? They already have. If Christians are claiming to be in control of the government - it is only wishful thinking or reminiscing a simpler time - commerce is in control, it is fueled by and promotes greed, crime, profit, while being completely indifferent about PEOPLE. That is in conflict with Christianity - but so-called Christians are active participants within it all.

Christians are upset because they are loosing control of the government and the people - our people need some OTHER source of guidance - our government aims to fill that void. Our people are turning their backs on Christianity and turning to the government for support. I don't think its a good idea either, but I recognize that it is true. If and when the government lets them down, be assured, they will turn back to their religion.

My advice is to turn to YOURSELF for support. You can be a Christian, tolerate the government, AND take care of yourself and your needs.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#13 Jul 11, 2013
I agree that the world is already in control of the government- after all, this is Satan's kingdom. But what we believe is that eventually it takes a sinister turn, and becomes an active participant in persecuting the church.

When this happens, you either renounce your faith or suffer the consequences. This involves a lot more than finance or goods.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#14 Jul 12, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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What IS this mark of the Beast?
Do I have this mark?
Keep your marker away from me.
I don't give it. God doesn't give it. Only you can receive it.

It isn't my marker.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#15 Jul 13, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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I don't give it. God doesn't give it. Only you can receive it.
It isn't my marker.
Are you sure?

If I am not considered "marked" by non-Christians and I am considered "marked" by Christians - who would you say has "marked" me?

If it weren't for Christians, no one would be considered "marked by a beast" or to be a sinner. Those are ideas invented and enforced by Christians.

For example - why are legally married gay people considered sinners? Because Christians said so. Why are non-believers "marked"? Christians said so.

If it weren't for Christians spreading the news, these concepts wouldn't exist.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#16 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure?
If I am not considered "marked" by non-Christians and I am considered "marked" by Christians - who would you say has "marked" me?
If it weren't for Christians, no one would be considered "marked by a beast" or to be a sinner. Those are ideas invented and enforced by Christians.
For example - why are legally married gay people considered sinners? Because Christians said so. Why are non-believers "marked"? Christians said so.
If it weren't for Christians spreading the news, these concepts wouldn't exist.
If it wasn't for Christians you would be a Muslim and one's head would be cut off for being a homosexual.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#17 Jul 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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If it wasn't for Christians you would be a Muslim and one's head would be cut off for being a homosexual.
Actually, I am not a homosexual, so I'm not concerned about being beheaded by the Muslims.

Also, I'm curious as to how you are rationalizing that I would be a Muslim. Islam does not interest me at all.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#18 Jul 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
I agree that the world is already in control of the government- after all, this is Satan's kingdom. But what we believe is that eventually it takes a sinister turn, and becomes an active participant in persecuting the church.
When this happens, you either renounce your faith or suffer the consequences. This involves a lot more than finance or goods.
It is true that this sort of thing has happened before. But I am still not convinced that it is happening here and now.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#19 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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It is true that this sort of thing has happened before. But I am still not convinced that it is happening here and now.
This has happened throughout the world since the birth of Christianity. It occurs in different times, places, and manners. Here and now? Perhaps not. Look in Sudan, Egypt, Middle East, Nigeria, China- absolutely. And that is now.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#20 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Actually, I am not a homosexual, so I'm not concerned about being beheaded by the Muslims.
Also, I'm curious as to how you are rationalizing that I would be a Muslim. Islam does not interest me at all.
Probably some of the crusades the `"church" fought against Muslims. If they hadn't stopped them, Europe would have been Muslim a long time before now, which it is very close to.

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