Is Roman Catholicism a FALSE GOSPEL
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#102 Jul 29, 2014
If the Old Testament way of salvation was not keeping the Law, then how were people saved? Fortunately, the answer to that question is easily found in Scripture, so there can be no doubt as to what was the Old Testament way of salvation.

The gospel is not an exclusively New Testament message. The Old Testament contained it as well:“The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:‘All nations will be blessed through you.’ So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith”(Galatians 3:8-9, quoting Genesis 12:3).

http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-sal...

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#103 Jul 29, 2014
Bobby wrote:
27 verses found in scripture say we are saved by grace and not one of them accepted by the roman church. And only one is enough. Romish church blatantly denies salvation by GRACE!
Gal. 2:21,“I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” They even place their faith in in themselves, not the cross.
Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you."
Gal. 3:14, "in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
Gal. 3:22, "But the Scripture has shut up all men under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
Eph. 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."
Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
1 Tim. 1:16, "And yet for this reason I found mercy, in order that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience, as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life."
Why don't you list all the ones about works too. You ddon't believe the whole Bible.

You let Jesus save you own your own terms.

Jesus you can save me, but not if includes that Church you started in John. That was a big mistake you made. Luther figured that one out.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#104 Jul 29, 2014
The gospel was first announced in Gen 3 right after the fall.

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Who is this child who will crush the head of the serpent?

It is the promised Messiah!

WAS ABRAHAM RIGHTEOUS? Yes.

HOW DID HE BECOME RIGHTEOUS?

a. by keeping the law of Moses? No.
b. by self-reliant performance and
impeccable obedience? No.
c. by circumcision? No.
d. by pedigree? No.

Abraham was righteous by faith; an obedient faith, which is to say: HE DIDN'T DEPEND UPON SELF, HE DEPENDED UPON GOD. He heard God, believed God, and obeyed God!

Jesus provides the way/grace - we provide the faith.

We can't find that in the roman church...

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#105 Jul 29, 2014
William wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, you have seen what I believe about it already.
yes I guess I have and it does not reflect biblical teachings. Man made stuff.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#106 Jul 29, 2014
Dead faith cannot save:

James is talking about false faith.

And Paul is saying that we were saved for the purpose of good works-not that works save.

Ephesians 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

In other words- after we are justified we have are called to the good works.

The thief on the cross had no works and Jesus told him " this day you shall be with me in paradise,
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#107 Jul 29, 2014
We do not work to get saved - we work because we are saved!

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#108 Jul 29, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>yes I guess I have and it does not reflect biblical teachings. Man made stuff.
Give him some slack, all protesters believe in man made stuff. That is what SS means. Make it up.

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#109 Jul 29, 2014
Bobby wrote:
We do not work to get saved - we work because we are saved!
So you were saved the day Jesus was crucified?

Then everybody in the world is saved???
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#110 Jul 29, 2014
The Catholic Church leads many people away from a genuine faith relationship with Christ. The unbiblical beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church have often given the enemies of Christ opportunity to blaspheme. The Roman Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus Christ established. It is not a church that is based on the teachings of the Apostles (as described in the Book of Acts and the New Testament epistles). While Jesus’ words in Mark 7:9 were directed towards the Pharisees, they accurately describe the Roman Catholic Church,“You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”

William saw this a mile away!

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#111 Jul 29, 2014
Bobby wrote:
The Catholic Church leads many people away from a genuine faith relationship with Christ. The unbiblical beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church have often given the enemies of Christ opportunity to blaspheme. The Roman Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus Christ established. It is not a church that is based on the teachings of the Apostles (as described in the Book of Acts and the New Testament epistles). While Jesus’ words in Mark 7:9 were directed towards the Pharisees, they accurately describe the Roman Catholic Church,“You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”
William saw this a mile away!
Jesus said to do what the Pharisees said. No SS in the OT. Or the NT.. That was invented by Father Luther.

He also said to do what the Church said. Whoever hears the Church hears Jesus. Binds and Loosens, Forgives Sins or Not, provides the sacraments that are needed for salvation.

The Church does nothing against what the Bible says.

Only what 40,000 different sects of protesters think it says.

Look online. Each protester is a heretic to another protester. Each of them say the others god against Bible teaching.

Thank God, Protestantism as a heresy is dying off. I wont live to see it but our great, great grandchildren might.
I

The Church will be here another 2000 years if Jesus has not come by then.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#112 Jul 29, 2014
How catholics are saved:

You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

And still wind up lost because their trust in in the church and all of it's romish theology= no hope= no peace...

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#113 Jul 29, 2014
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

How are catholics justified?

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).
"If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema." (Canon 14).
Albert Walker

Manassas, VA

#114 Jul 29, 2014
Lisa wrote:
How can people be that dumb to make Mary an idol or equal with Jesus? I will create an account later after I read more on here. For those interested I am a woman preacher and am not one bit ashamed to say so.
I find it interesting that as a woman you seem willing to discuss women preachers. I say that because it is men that usually defend it more than women. I do sense that some women I have discussed it with inside did feel it was wrong or they were ashamed. I would like to discuss why you think it is alright for a woman to preach when there is no bible example of a woman preacher.
Albert Walker

Manassas, VA

#115 Jul 29, 2014
Lisa if you should care to discuss the subject and I hope you do, I think it would be more appropriate on this thread which I have moved my comment to. I believe whether your Lord and Savior is Jesus is related to the decision for a woman to preach.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/martinsville-...

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#116 Jul 30, 2014
Bobby wrote:
The Catholic Church leads many people away from a genuine faith relationship with Christ. The unbiblical beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church have often given the enemies of Christ opportunity to blaspheme. The Roman Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus Christ established. It is not a church that is based on the teachings of the Apostles (as described in the Book of Acts and the New Testament epistles). While Jesus’ words in Mark 7:9 were directed towards the Pharisees, they accurately describe the Roman Catholic Church,“You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”
William saw this a mile away!
Pretty asinine post. Most sane people will admit that the Church has been here 2000 years. It created the Bible in AD 390. All of this is provable by a simple history lesson.

The Church eats the body and drinks the blood of Jesus at every mass. How closer a relationship can you have?

Only protesters can lead people away from Jesus. You have done that for 500 years. Your whole Sunday service is to get people to move from their community to yours. You can save them when the one next door can't.

You want a relationship with him that you make up or somebody a few hundred years ago made up.

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#117 Jul 30, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
Lisa if you should care to discuss the subject and I hope you do, I think it would be more appropriate on this thread which I have moved my comment to. I believe whether your Lord and Savior is Jesus is related to the decision for a woman to preach.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/martinsville-...
He just wants to do what every protester wants to do. Tell you that he knows what the Bible means more than you do.

Sola Scriptura means you are both right. The HS leads you both and millions and millions to the Truth when you are all come with different beliefs.

Everybody wins and everybody gets to heaven.

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#118 Jul 30, 2014
All who claim the title "Christian" will be able to agree on the following two truths: salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8) and salvation is through Christ alone (Acts 4:12). These biblical facts will be our foundation as we explain the teaching of the Catholic Church.

If we take a concordance and look up every occurrence of the word "faith," we come up with an undeniable fact the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used in the entire Bible is when it is condemned (James 2:24). The epistle of James only mentions it in the negative sense.

The Bible tells us we must have faith in order to be saved (Hebrews 11:6). Yet is faith nothing more than believing and trusting? Searching the Scriptures, we see faith also involves assent to God's truth (1 Thessalonians 2:13), obedience to Him (Romans 1:5, 16:26), and it must be working in love (Galatians 5:6). These points appeared to be missed by the protesters, yet they are just as crucial as believing and trusting.(1 Corinthians 13:1-3) should be heeded by all it's certainly an attention grabber.

Paul speaks of faith as a life-long process, never as a one-time experience (Philippians 2:12). He never assumes he has nothing to worry about. If he did, his words in (1 Corinthians 9:24-27) would be nonsensical. He reiterates the same point again in his second letter to Corinth (2 Corinthians 13:5). He takes nothing for granted, yet all would agree if anyone was "born again" it certainly was Paul. Our Lord and Savior spoke of the same thing by "remaining in Him" (John 15:1-11).

Paul tells us our faith is living and can go through many stages. It never stays permanently fixed after a single conversion experience no matter how genuine or sincere. Our faith can be shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), departed from (1 Timothy 4:1), disowned (1 Timothy 5:8) wandered from (1 Timothy 6:10), and missed (1 Timothy 6:21). Christians do not have a "waiver" that exempts them from these verses.

Do our works mean anything? According to Jesus they do (Matthew 25:31-46). The people rewarded and punished are done so by their actions. And our thoughts (Matthew 15:18-20) and words (James 3:6-12) are accountable as well. These verses are just as much part of the Bible as Romans 10:8-13 and John 3:3-5.

The Catholic Church has never taught we "earn" our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can't earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17).

The protester's position cannot be reconciled with the Bible. That is why the Catholic Church has taught otherwise for almost 2000 years.

Where does our assistance come from to reach our heavenly destination? Philippians 4:13 says it all, "I can do all things in Him who strengthens me."

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#119 Jul 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
All who claim the title "Christian" will be able to agree on the following two truths: salvation is by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8) and salvation is through Christ alone (Acts 4:12). These biblical facts will be our foundation as we explain the teaching of the Catholic Church.

If we take a concordance and look up every occurrence of the word "faith," we come up with an undeniable fact the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used in the entire Bible is when it is condemned (James 2:24). The epistle of James only mentions it in the negative sense.

The Bible tells us we must have faith in order to be saved (Hebrews 11:6). Yet is faith nothing more than believing and trusting? Searching the Scriptures, we see faith also involves assent to God's truth (1 Thessalonians 2:13), obedience to Him (Romans 1:5, 16:26), and it must be working in love (Galatians 5:6). These points appeared to be missed by the protesters, yet they are just as crucial as believing and trusting.(1 Corinthians 13:1-3) should be heeded by all it's certainly an attention grabber.

Paul speaks of faith as a life-long process, never as a one-time experience (Philippians 2:12). He never assumes he has nothing to worry about. If he did, his words in (1 Corinthians 9:24-27) would be nonsensical. He reiterates the same point again in his second letter to Corinth (2 Corinthians 13:5). He takes nothing for granted, yet all would agree if anyone was "born again" it certainly was Paul. Our Lord and Savior spoke of the same thing by "remaining in Him" (John 15:1-11).

Paul tells us our faith is living and can go through many stages. It never stays permanently fixed after a single conversion experience no matter how genuine or sincere. Our faith can be shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), departed from (1 Timothy 4:1), disowned (1 Timothy 5:8) wandered from (1 Timothy 6:10), and missed (1 Timothy 6:21). Christians do not have a "waiver" that exempts them from these verses.

Do our works mean anything? According to Jesus they do (Matthew 25:31-46). The people rewarded and punished are done so by their actions. And our thoughts (Matthew 15:18-20) and words (James 3:6-12) are accountable as well. These verses are just as much part of the Bible as Romans 10:8-13 and John 3:3-5.

The Catholic Church has never taught we "earn" our salvation. It is an inheritance (Galatians 5:21), freely given to anyone who becomes a child of God (1 John 3:1), so long as they remain that way (John 15:1-11). You can't earn it but you can lose the free gift given from the Father (James 1:17).

The protester's position cannot be reconciled with the Bible. That is why the Catholic Church has taught otherwise for almost 2000 years.

Where does our assistance come from to reach our heavenly destination? Philippians 4:13 says it all, "I can do all things in Him who strengthens me."
Amen to all those passages.

Not one of them say we are saved by "grace alone".

Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!"
28 But He said, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

www.roysecitycoc.org

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#120 Jul 30, 2014
Salvation by "grace alone" is as false as "faith alone".

If it's grace "alone" then that would exclude faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10

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Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#121 Jul 30, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Salvation by "grace alone" is as false as "faith alone".
If it's grace "alone" then that would exclude faith.
Ephesians 2:8-10
www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath- Grace is God's part and faith is our part.

God has supplied the way for salvation by means of the cross but we have to have the faith to believe it.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

not by works, so that no one can boast.

By grace alone through faith alone.

I think you are about to get it:-)

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