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“Hail Mary, Full of Grace”

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Friday Jul 4
 
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text> The writer of Hebrews must have been a problem also as I cant find who wrote it. You do believe Hebrews to be inspired. I know I do.
Thanks for your teaching I enjoy the extra length on you tube of your programs if this is the original JR.
The Church gave you the bible. You probably read Mark's gospel but for your life you can not prove Mark wrote it or had a man pen it for him. The Church gave you Mark and Hebrews.
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And, God gave us his one and only Son who fulfilled the right to become the only pleasing sacrifice for sin. What other means do we have to reach the place where our sin is no longer counted against us? How else can we say we have no sin? By doing penance and hoping we do not have to go through purgatory? is it really possible to have assurance that Jesus has paid the full price for our sin?
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Bartholomew F. Brewer. He applied to the Discalced Carmelites, a strict monastic order. He received training of "four years of high school seminary, two years in the novitiate, three years of philosophy, and four years of theology (the last after ordination)." He was ordained to the Roman Catholic priesthood at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary in Washington, D.C. He eventually served as a diocesan priest in San Diego, California and entered the Navy as a Roman Catholic chaplain.

Upon questioning Rome's Beliefs, "At first I did not understand, but gradually I observed a wonderful change in mother. Her influence helped me realize the importance of the Bible in determining what we believe. We often discussed subjects such as the primacy of Peter, papal infallibility, the priesthood, infant baptism, confession, the mass, purgatory, the Immaculate Conception of Mary, and the bodily assumption of Mary into heaven. In time I realized that not only are these beliefs not in the Bible, they are actually contrary to the clear teaching of Scripture." (pp. 21-22)
Relying on works. He left the Roman Catholic Church, got married and through conversations with his wife and other Christians, "I finally understood that I had been relying on my own righteousness and religious efforts and not upon the completed and sufficient sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Roman Catholic religion had never taught me that our own righteousness is fleshly and not acceptable to God, nor that we need to trust in his righteousness alone ... during all those years of monastic life I had relied on the sacraments of Rome to give me grace, to save me." (p. 25)
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#87
Saturday Jul 5
 
Did Jesus teach that His righteousness is imputed to us when we believe? Or did Jesus teach that we need to do as He instructed and commanded? Where did Jesus teach that salvation is based on faith or grace and not works because of our love for Him and the Father?

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matt. 28:19-20) As He said to Nicodemus, "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen; that they have been done in God."

Matt. 11: 27-29; "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

As John said in one of his letters (2 John 6-10):

"This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ. Look to yourselves, that you do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him, for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds."

So what do the gospel accounts say is His doctrine? Is the doctrine of Christ that He came in the flesh, or is the doctrine of Christ also what He taught? Matthew 7:28 is a comment made by the people who heard Jesus immediately after His teaching of building our life upon hearing and doing what He said. This record says: "And so it was, when Jesus had ended these saying, that the people were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'), for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matthew 22:33, just after His saying 'God is not the God of the dead, but of the living' is 'And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching (KJV uses 'doctrine'). To make the point further are additional accounts from the gospels that you can look up if you want to verify the fact: Mark 1:23,27; 4:2; 11:18, 12:28; Luke 4:32; John 7:16,17; John 18:19.
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#88
Saturday Jul 5
 
Peter_Williams wrote:
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The Church gave you the bible. You probably read Mark's gospel but for your life you can not prove Mark wrote it or had a man pen it for him. The Church gave you Mark and Hebrews.
Mark and Hebrews were not given by God, so I'm glad to see you admit the Roman Church made them up.
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Saturday Jul 5
 
Jerry Taylor wrote:
To Heath and Just a Chritian, yourmessage on here is issing Jesus but full of pridetht caims to be able to put men in Christwith water baptism.1 Peter 3:21 doesntbegin nor end at that verse. You slam on the Catholic but sound just like one as you make Peter to teach regeneration by water.
When Jesus said one must be born of water and the Spirit, the rite of immersion into the Name was linked to receiving the Spirit just as much as it was preached by Peter in Acts 2:38.

IF Jesus linked water and Spirit together - why try to divide what God has joined together?

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Saturday Jul 5
 
Barnsweb wrote:
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Mark and Hebrews were not given by God, so I'm glad to see you admit the Roman Church made them up.
We made up nothing of the sort. Does anyone from this page know how you got your bibles and why.
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We made up nothing of the sort. Does anyone from this page know how you got your bibles and why.
Since you believe that you are responsible for giving us the bible, why does the bible take a back seat to to the cc.
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#92
Saturday Jul 5
 
Saint Peter don't call me cause I can't go yet... Why?

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Saturday Jul 5
 
Hugh Farrell. Born in Denver, Colorado. Entered the Order of our Lady of Mount Carmel, commonly called the Discalced Carmelite Fathers. Ordained as a priest.

Priestly power to change elements: "The priest, according to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, has the power to take ordinary bread and wine, and, by pronouncing the words of the consecration prayer in the sacrifice of the Mass, to change it into the actual body and blood and soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Hence, since one cannot separate the human nature of Christ from his divinity, the bread and wine, after being changed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, are entitled to the worship of adoration." (pp. 28)

Temporal punishment due to sins. "I knew from the teachings of the priests and nuns that I could not hope to go directly to heaven after my death. My Roman Catholic catechism taught me that after death I had to pay for the temporal punishment due to my sins. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that 'the souls of the just which, in a moment of death, are burdened with venial sins or temporal punishment due to sin, enter purgatory.'" (p. 29)

Penance. Regarding life in the monastery and doing penance. "These penances consist of standing with the arms outstretched to form a cross, kissing the sandaled feet of the monks, receiving a blow upon the face from the monks, and, at the end of the meal, lying prostrate before the entrance to the refectory so that the departing monks must step over one's body. These, and other penances, are supposed to gain one merit in heaven and increase one's 'spiritual bank account.'" (p. 36)

The Mass and sorcery. "According to the teaching of the Roman Church the priest, no matter how unworthy he may personally be, even if he has just made a pact with the devil for his soul, has the power to change the elements of bread and wine into the actual body and blood, soul and divinity, of Jesus Christ. Provided he pronounces the words of consecration properly and has the intention of consecrating, God must come down on the altar and enter and take over the elements." (p. 39)

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Peter_Williams wrote:
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We made up nothing of the sort. Does anyone from this page know how you got your bibles and why.
They shut their eyes, put fingers in their eyes and start humming real loud when this comes up.

Bobby says they God breathed on some paper or something like that. The rest think a Bible mysteriously appeared one day.

None can answer the fact the Jesus or the Apostles or the prophets in the OT never mentioned a book. They can't fanthom that 1st Century Christians didnt bring their Bibles to sunday school.

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Saturday Jul 5
 
Bobby wrote:
Hugh Farrell. Born in Denver, Colorado. Entered the Order of our Lady of Mount Carmel, commonly called the Discalced Carmelite Fathers. Ordained as a priest.
Priestly power to change elements: "The priest, according to the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, has the power to take ordinary bread and wine, and, by pronouncing the words of the consecration prayer in the sacrifice of the Mass, to change it into the actual body and blood and soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Hence, since one cannot separate the human nature of Christ from his divinity, the bread and wine, after being changed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, are entitled to the worship of adoration." (pp. 28)
Temporal punishment due to sins. "I knew from the teachings of the priests and nuns that I could not hope to go directly to heaven after my death. My Roman Catholic catechism taught me that after death I had to pay for the temporal punishment due to my sins. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that 'the souls of the just which, in a moment of death, are burdened with venial sins or temporal punishment due to sin, enter purgatory.'" (p. 29)
Penance. Regarding life in the monastery and doing penance. "These penances consist of standing with the arms outstretched to form a cross, kissing the sandaled feet of the monks, receiving a blow upon the face from the monks, and, at the end of the meal, lying prostrate before the entrance to the refectory so that the departing monks must step over one's body. These, and other penances, are supposed to gain one merit in heaven and increase one's 'spiritual bank account.'" (p. 36)
The Mass and sorcery. "According to the teaching of the Roman Church the priest, no matter how unworthy he may personally be, even if he has just made a pact with the devil for his soul, has the power to change the elements of bread and wine into the actual body and blood, soul and divinity, of Jesus Christ. Provided he pronounces the words of consecration properly and has the intention of consecrating, God must come down on the altar and enter and take over the elements." (p. 39)
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I can give some names of Priests that I knew that fell way. Will that help you. How is breaking vows made before God something to be proud of?

Do you have Matt Slick first on your favorites list? Do you think he is a prophet and speaks for God?
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Saturday Jul 5
 
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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They shut their eyes, put fingers in their eyes and start humming real loud when this comes up.
Bobby says they God breathed on some paper or something like that. The rest think a Bible mysteriously appeared one day.
None can answer the fact the Jesus or the Apostles or the prophets in the OT never mentioned a book. They can't fanthom that 1st Century Christians didnt bring their Bibles to sunday school.
Show me a scripture where it says: Come unto the church all you that are heavy laden and we will give you rest for your souls...
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Saturday Jul 5
 
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I can give some names of Priests that I knew that fell way. Will that help you. How is breaking vows made before God something to be proud of?
Do you have Matt Slick first on your favorites list? Do you think he is a prophet and speaks for God?
I can find truth in a mormon church and a catholic church but neither has a foundation of peace for the soul.

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

No church can give us that peace.

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#98
Sunday Jul 6
 
Yes, the pyramid structure of the Mormons and the Catholics is very similar.

Pope is the Catholic king.
The Prophet is the Mormon king.
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HEATH - 72 wrote:
Yes, the pyramid structure of the Mormons and the Catholics is very similar.

Pope is the Catholic king.
The Prophet is the Mormon king.
Both operate on a cash-first basis. No cash, no blessings.

The Mormons used good ol' American entrepreneurial moxie to create a religion business that runs more efficiently than any other. Now all they need is a US President and they will have truly equaled the Catholic church.

Romney 2016! He's tanned, rested, and ready.

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Bobby wrote:
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Show me a scripture where it says: Come unto the church all you that are heavy laden and we will give you rest for your souls...
Amen: I believe in that verse and every verse in the Bible. It is a Catholic book after all.
Everybody needs to go to Jesus. I know I do it multiple times a day. It is a Catholic book after all.

But what did Jesus leave us when he went to with his father. A book. Nope . He never wrote anything, except something in mud with his spit, and never commissioned his apostles and disciples to write anything. He left us the Catholic Church.

In one of your history lessons on the Bible, you were taught that for almost 900 years after the first Bible was created there were chapters, verses, paragraphs, or any kind of punctuation. You could not easily tell when one sentenced started and one ended.

Because of this the whole book of John or the Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians was read at one time.

That is why the Bible is THAT/AND. You are saved by faith, by baptism. by works, by the Eucharist......

You Prots believe in freedom. Freedom to believe the verses you want to match up to your beliefs instead of believing the whole Bible. What would you ever do, if you lived before the Bible was broken up into chapters in verses.

Wait I know , you would have been a Catholic . I know what you would have don.

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Sunday Jul 6
 
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Yes, the pyramid structure of the Mormons and the Catholics is very similar.
Pope is the Catholic king.
The Prophet is the Mormon king.
The 'pyramid' structure of the CC has been the greatest structure of an organization in the history of the world. Jesus promised that it would never fail and it hasn't. It has been the longest surviving organization in the world. Why because it is of God.

Your COC structure was created by Stone/Campbell. It is no different than all of the low end prot congregationalist, not in the Bible btw, non Catholic communities.

The sheep run the farm, not the Shepherd.

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William wrote:
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Both operate on a cash-first basis. No cash, no blessings.
The Mormons used good ol' American entrepreneurial moxie to create a religion business that runs more efficiently than any other. Now all they need is a US President and they will have truly equaled the Catholic church.
Romney 2016! He's tanned, rested, and ready.
Trivia: People think how rich the CC is and it is because it has the fullness of the Truth. It has been here 2000 years so it has plenty of real estate and buildings But as monetary givers, Catholic church members rank pretty close to the bottom. One of the reasons is I have never been to Mass where anybody asked the members to give more money because revenues were down.

How many low end prot meetings have you been to where they say a prayer before the offering to make sure the members give from guilt or a leader of the Church makes a visit to ones home if their contribution falls short. After all in these large communities the total salaries of just the pastors can reach close to the 400,000 and if you add everybody on the payroll, you have close to million.

Our Priest makes 950 dollars a month. Right now we pay nobody else as it is a new parish. Eventually we will need a parish secretary and will probably have to pay somebody to organize music, both part time jobs.

Once a year, we might get the previous years financial report and if the the only pledge might be a building fund pledge so they can borrow money against those pledges.

Heath: What is your salary? It looks like you are making quite a good living speaking for God.
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Sunday Jul 6
 
Bobby wrote:
Show me a scripture where it says: Come unto the church all you that are heavy laden and we will give you rest for your souls...

Mike-Amen: I believe in that verse and every verse in the Bible. It is a Catholic book after all.
Everybody needs to go to Jesus. I know I do it multiple times a day. It is a Catholic book after all.

Scripture no where says come unto the church so that you may be saved. Here is what scripture says.

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest....

A choice is made to leave sin, walk away from error and come to Jesus Christ.

No church whether it be catholic coc or a bible church- none has the power to save anyone. Only Jesus saves.

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