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William

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#41 Jul 2, 2014
Mike, how do you ask your priest for forgiveness for hating him and your wife and kids when Jesus specifically told you to hate them? And he and they are to hate you in return.

"The Bible is THAT/AND".
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#42 Jul 3, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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There is no promoting. It is a fact. He gave all the authority to bind and loosen forgive sins or not and gave the keys to the kingdom
God wants everybody in the world to be in his Church.
You low end Prots think he gave the keys to a book. He never mentioned a NT book. Church but no book
Low end protesters will never be able to explain awAy Jesus creating a church but completely ignoring any future book.
No book mentioned? Have you ever read the Revelation of Jesus Christ? If not, I suggest you do. It has His epistles and is said to be a sealed book. It has curses to anyone who adds to it or takes away from it.

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#43 Jul 3, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>No book mentioned? Have you ever read the Revelation of Jesus Christ? If not, I suggest you do. It has His epistles and is said to be a sealed book. It has curses to anyone who adds to it or takes away from it.
You are right. Anybody that adds or take away from Revelation is cursed
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#44 Jul 3, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You are right. Anybody that adds or take away from Revelation is cursed
And it's a "book" mentioned in the NT. Glad we can agree on that!

And if Revelation says entrance into the City of the King is only to those worthy - and the worthiness is based on their works - doing the will of God as taught by the Torah, Psalms, Prophets and Teachings/Commandments/Precept s/Doctrine of Jesus Christ.

The commandments of God, the testimony of Jesus, the faith of Jesus; all these are noted in Revelation as required things of those found to be faithful to God and Christ.

Would it be taking away from those things to teach people the gospel doesn't require them?

Since: Sep 13

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#45 Jul 3, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>And it's a "book" mentioned in the NT. Glad we can agree on that!

And if Revelation says entrance into the City of the King is only to those worthy - and the worthiness is based on their works - doing the will of God as taught by the Torah, Psalms, Prophets and Teachings/Commandments/Precept s/Doctrine of Jesus Christ.

The commandments of God, the testimony of Jesus, the faith of Jesus; all these are noted in Revelation as required things of those found to be faithful to God and Christ.

Would it be taking away from those things to teach people the gospel doesn't require them?
Jesus or an Apostle never mentioned a book coming would be coming that had anything do about salvation.

When God told St John to write revelation he probably knew He was not long for this world. What a great opportunity to announce the Bible. Never happened until the Church decided to create on. What a perfect church Jesus created to come up with that.

Since: Jul 11

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#46 Jul 3, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Jesus or an Apostle never mentioned a book coming would be coming that had anything do about salvation.
When God told St John to write revelation he probably knew He was not long for this world. What a great opportunity to announce the Bible. Never happened until the Church decided to create on. What a perfect church Jesus created to come up with that.
Jesus or an Apostle never mentioned popes, infant baptism, mass, marry worship would be coming that had anything do about Church. Man-made garbage.

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#47 Jul 3, 2014
JesusCreed wrote:
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Jesus or an Apostle never mentioned popes, infant baptism, mass, marry worship would be coming that had anything do about Church. Man-made garbage.
Or a Bible. But they all mentioned the Church, the pillar and foundation of truth built on Peter.

Please give me 1 name of anybody in the history of world since AD 100 until AD 1700 that believed the same way you believe today.

Doesn't exist. I know that and you know that. ahhh the 1800s , the great awakening.

“Hail Mary, Full of Grace”

Since: Jul 14

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#48 Jul 4, 2014
Bobby wrote:
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
The word from God was also alive and active when God made man. He told Adam leave the forbidden fruit be. Adam goes to Eve orally gives her the word of God. Did you catch that. Adam did not show her a verse in hand that she could see.

In the Acts of the Apostles Paul quotes Jesus. Guess what is interesting? Nowhere in the written word can you find Jesus saying what Paul says. This is oral teaching passed down to the Church.

Even the bible never claims to be the sole source of authority. John says so much was said that books could not contain the teachings of Jesus. This is why Jesus left us the Church so that it can pass down teachings that were not recorded.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#49 Jul 5, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Jesus or an Apostle never mentioned a book coming would be coming that had anything do about salvation.
When God told St John to write revelation he probably knew He was not long for this world. What a great opportunity to announce the Bible. Never happened until the Church decided to create on. What a perfect church Jesus created to come up with that.
Off-hand, two things come to mind:

1. The prophecy recorded as fulfilled in Acts 3:22,23. That was written about what the OT said - in fact, a prophecy given by Moses of the Prophet to come.

That Prophet was going to tell the people of God even more than Moses had received from God at that point.

2. John's gospel account speaks of the "books" that could be written about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

I hope we agree that the final testimony of Jesus Christ from Heaven itself is found in the "book" of Revelation.

If Jesus' prayer in John 15-17 had to do with those who believe on Him based on their testimony of Him, how else could their testimony of Him be perserved from 2000 years ago, except by their writing of the life and teachings and fulfillment of prophecy as He had first taught them? Surely this is the heart of the matter. Seems to me that by necessary charge from the Lord that they would record His teachings for all time - the "once for all" delivered messages from Jesus Christ.

We can go back to those words they recorded to ensure we are digging down through the refuse of man made doctrine through the centuries to then base our belief and faith and faithfulness to Him on the best records we can find from the original disciples. We must also accept the instructions of God that came before Him, as it is what His testimony of Truth was based upon.

Records from about AD 65 have been found that have the Apostles saying that only the Hebrew version of Matthew was to be considered Scripture. These records also note that Paul was rejected as heretical by the Apostles of Jesus Christ.

So if your Church gave us the Bible, why is your Church not in accord with what the ancient records of the Apostles said? Why did your Church include the writings of Paul when the Apostles declared Paul a heretic and a liar?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#50 Jul 5, 2014
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#51 Jul 5, 2014
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Eusebius, a Roman Bishop who canonized the NT, describes the Hebrew rooted Ebionites in the negative, because “the Ebionites thought that the letters of Paul ought to be wholly rejected and called Paul an apostate from the Law.”(HE 11 127, 3-6 -- translation of Eusebius, HE by K. Luke in the Loeb series.)
The 'saved by Grace' believers have the foundation for their belief, based on their own interpretations of the writings of Paul. Take these epistles away from them from the rest of their Bibles, and they have no foundation for their teaching of "Grace which has done away with the Law." These teachings of Paulinism influences the teachings of most of the denominations of Christianity and it forms part of the 'pagan baggage.' The noble Hebrew Roots Restoration Movement has not fully recognized yet for what it really is. To these people, Paul has virtually superseded the Nazarene servants he should have been. Paul's words and interpretations are taken above the Word of God defined in the Tanakh and the Torah.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#52 Jul 5, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
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Eusebius, a Roman Bishop who canonized the NT, describes the Hebrew rooted Ebionites in the negative, because “the Ebionites thought that the letters of Paul ought to be wholly rejected and called Paul an apostate from the Law.”(HE 11 127, 3-6 -- translation of Eusebius, HE by K. Luke in the Loeb series.)
The 'saved by Grace' believers have the foundation for their belief, based on their own interpretations of the writings of Paul. Take these epistles away from them from the rest of their Bibles, and they have no foundation for their teaching of "Grace which has done away with the Law." These teachings of Paulinism influences the teachings of most of the denominations of Christianity and it forms part of the 'pagan baggage.' The noble Hebrew Roots Restoration Movement has not fully recognized yet for what it really is. To these people, Paul has virtually superseded the Nazarene servants he should have been. Paul's words and interpretations are taken above the Word of God defined in the Tanakh and the Torah.
And you chose to throw away 2/3 of the new testament- that way you can honestly say "that is not in my bible"...

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