pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#21 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Weimar Republic. Aftermath.
Dang Christians.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#22 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Weimar Republic. Aftermath.
Two more points for you, Dave!

Still - look at what ELSE Germany was recovering from. Along with economic collapse, there was physical destruction caused by war and the psychological effects of having witnessed or unwillingly participated in genocide! This was more than an economic collapse.

I'm not saying: don't notice all the signs that something is happening and don't worry because everything is going to be all right. I am saying: you have the capabilities to survive this - have some confidence in yourself.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#23 Jul 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Relevance. As Mark pointed out, Moses and other Biblical themes are all over the place at the Supreme Court and other govt. places because of our history.
What you're calling propaganda is what our country's laws are actually based on. There is historical precedent, a reason to acknowledge them. I am not against other ideas from different faiths being included, but where's the relevance for them? Our legal system isn't based on Buddhist philosophy.
Are you stating this is a Christian nation?
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#24 Jul 11, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Are you stating this is a Christian nation?
No. Not now. The legal system is definitely based off of Biblical principles.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#25 Jul 11, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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I am suggesting that you accept the economic collapse and the changes that it brings. I am suggesting that the chaos that you refer to is the actions and re-actions of our PEOPLE - we need to encourage everyone we know to control themselves and do not submit to chaos. The guns and tanks come to control the people - guns and tanks will not be necessary if we are able to control ourselves. Economic collapse doesn't cause war, outraged people do. People who are outraged that the economy collapsed. I say: control your rage - no guns or tanks necessary. Bondage and death are to be feared from our citizens, not our government.
Mankind does not evolve and die - it evolves and lives. We're still around, aren't we? "Ways of living" die - or do they just change? Prepare to change your "way of living" and do not allow our society to die when it actually just needs to change.
I am not suggesting that you reject the predictions of the Bible - I am suggesting that you are drawing your own conclusions when you assess that these predictions refer to HERE and NOW. How many people throughout history have thought this? How many were correct? How do you know that the predictions do not refer to mankind's distant future? Christians have always been wrong about predicting it before now, but it does not prevent them from predicting it again. How have you assessed that this is the Apocalypse or the time of Christ's return when this is really an economic collapse? We are living out the logical results of what PEOPLE have previously caused - God or the Devil had nothing to do with it - people created our circumstances.
I think we, the people, can handle it. Sit tight. Remain calm. Expect change.
No need to reject your religious beliefs - hang on to them, you will need them.
*First, if collapse happens, it will not be limited to the US. Mutually Assured Destruction. When (not if) chaos begins, it will more than likely be the unreligious, the unspiritual people that revolt and riot. Some Christians may, but with churches having the ability to band together and help each other, they may be in better shape than the world. Move to Utah! LDS is loaded.

*Second, whoever has power and control when the collapse happens will not wait to see if the people will rise up or not. The power will control the military. Military will have the supplies, be in charge of humanitarian efforts. Military presence will be out front quickly, and ANY dissent will be shut down immediately.

*Don't fear bondage from government? Japanese Americans being held in camps? FEMA camps being set up? Really, don't fear govt?

*Didn't say the end was starting now. Always a possibility. But looking down the road isn't hard to see what's shaping up.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#26 Jul 12, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
*First, if collapse happens, it will not be limited to the US. Mutually Assured Destruction. When (not if) chaos begins, it will more than likely be the unreligious, the unspiritual people that revolt and riot. Some Christians may, but with churches having the ability to band together and help each other, they may be in better shape than the world. Move to Utah! LDS is loaded.
*Second, whoever has power and control when the collapse happens will not wait to see if the people will rise up or not. The power will control the military. Military will have the supplies, be in charge of humanitarian efforts. Military presence will be out front quickly, and ANY dissent will be shut down immediately.
*Don't fear bondage from government? Japanese Americans being held in camps? FEMA camps being set up? Really, don't fear govt?
*Didn't say the end was starting now. Always a possibility. But looking down the road isn't hard to see what's shaping up.
Been listening to Glen Beck? He makes a lot of sense doesn't he. He lives in Texas not that far from me. In fact i once had a deer lease not far from his ranch.

Mormons have a history of religious persecution which is why they now basically own Utah. Not supporting their church beliefs but I respect their political views and christian lifestyles. Of course many catholics have good lifestyles and political views also. I think you and I have a similar world view as they do.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#27 Jul 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Been listening to Glen Beck? He makes a lot of sense doesn't he. He lives in Texas not that far from me. In fact i once had a deer lease not far from his ranch.
Mormons have a history of religious persecution which is why they now basically own Utah. Not supporting their church beliefs but I respect their political views and christian lifestyles. Of course many catholics have good lifestyles and political views also. I think you and I have a similar world view as they do.
Yeah, listen to him every once in a while. He does make sense, which is why most try to discredit him as loony. Don't go scaring the sheeple. I also agree that Mormons and Catholics for the most part do have good lifestyles and politics. I really believe Romney was one of the better PEOPLE we've had to run for president in a while. Good people don't always make the best candidates sometimes.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#28 Jul 12, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, listen to him every once in a while. He does make sense, which is why most try to discredit him as loony. Don't go scaring the sheeple. I also agree that Mormons and Catholics for the most part do have good lifestyles and politics. I really believe Romney was one of the better PEOPLE we've had to run for president in a while. Good people don't always make the best candidates sometimes.
I have never met a Mormon I did not like.

But Romney lost because he was a Mormon.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#29 Jul 12, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
*First, if collapse happens, it will not be limited to the US. Mutually Assured Destruction. When (not if) chaos begins, it will more than likely be the unreligious, the unspiritual people that revolt and riot. Some Christians may, but with churches having the ability to band together and help each other, they may be in better shape than the world. Move to Utah! LDS is loaded.
*Second, whoever has power and control when the collapse happens will not wait to see if the people will rise up or not. The power will control the military. Military will have the supplies, be in charge of humanitarian efforts. Military presence will be out front quickly, and ANY dissent will be shut down immediately.
*Don't fear bondage from government? Japanese Americans being held in camps? FEMA camps being set up? Really, don't fear govt?
*Didn't say the end was starting now. Always a possibility. But
looking down the road isn't hard to see what's shaping up.
If you move to Utah, you better order your holy underwear. If not you are a not a "true" citizen of the state.
With the new marriage thing going , on polygamy with be the law of the land within 10 years.
I have family there. Protestant. You are considered an outcast.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#30 Jul 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you move to Utah, you better order your holy underwear. If not you are a not a "true" citizen of the state.
With the new marriage thing going , on polygamy with be the law of the land within 10 years.
I have family there. Protestant. You are considered an outcast.
So, I guess Utah is not much different from Rome in the sense of all others "outsiders" being an outcast.

But heck that is ok, I bet you Dave and I all voted for Romney:-)

I would rather have had Huckabee but he didn't run and you would have chosen one of the catholic contenders-we seldom get the guy we really want.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#31 Jul 12, 2013
Ever wonder who our enemies would have voted for if they could?
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#32 Jul 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you move to Utah, you better order your holy underwear. If not you are a not a "true" citizen of the state.
With the new marriage thing going , on polygamy with be the law of the land within 10 years.
I have family there. Protestant. You are considered an outcast.
Brother is Mormon, been to the temple. Know all about it.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#33 Jul 12, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
So, I guess Utah is not much different from Rome in the sense of all others "outsiders" being an outcast.
But heck that is ok, I bet you Dave and I all voted for Romney:-)
I would rather have had Huckabee but he didn't run and you would have chosen one of the catholic contenders-we seldom get the guy we really want.
Correct on all counts- voted for Romney, preferred Huckabee. Out of who did run either Perry or Herman Cain, but they destroyed him quickly. Imagine- a black conservative against a black liberal. He could have been a difference maker. Oh well.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#35 Jul 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Not now. The legal system is definitely based off of Biblical principles.
And biblical principals are based on tribal principals. Why do so many Christians seem to think there were no civilizations or law before The Bible? Where in our legal system does it say we must not covet or that we must worship? Where does our legal system say we cannot take a Gods' name in vain? Where does our legal system say we cannot mix fabrics or what we can eat or how to eat? Do you really think the world was a lawless place before The Bible? Do you really think the concept of do not murder or steal wasn't around before The Bible? There are still tribal cultures on this planet who have lived the same lifestyle for tens of thousands of years and they know not to murder or steal without being ministered. Seriously, why do you think don't steal or murder was first conceived in The Bible?
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#36 Jul 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you move to Utah, you better order your holy underwear. If not you are a not a "true" citizen of the state.
With the new marriage thing going , on polygamy with be the law of the land within 10 years.
I have family there. Protestant. You are considered an outcast.
Utah is a theocracy, and there are polygamists everywhere here. Since the second, third, fourth wife isn't a legal wife, they are all collect welfare.
Dave P

Nicholasville, KY

#37 Jul 13, 2013
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>And biblical principals are based on tribal principals. Why do so many Christians seem to think there were no civilizations or law before The Bible? Where in our legal system does it say we must not covet or that we must worship? Where does our legal system say we cannot take a Gods' name in vain? Where does our legal system say we cannot mix fabrics or what we can eat or how to eat? Do you really think the world was a lawless place before The Bible? Do you really think the concept of do not murder or steal wasn't around before The Bible? There are still tribal cultures on this planet who have lived the same lifestyle for tens of thousands of years and they know not to murder or steal without being ministered. Seriously, why do you think don't steal or murder was first conceived in The Bible?
2 things:

1- The Bible gives us history of the beginning, the first men, etc. The Bible is about the story of the beginning- gives us earliest history.

2- Seems like you mentioned a lot of things from Leviticus, Deuteronomy etc. Usually that means you really don't have a good understanding of the Bible, its message, what those things are about etc. Many attacks on the Scriptures comes from those places.

Romans 2:14-15 explains a lot about those tribes who have no knowledge of God yet still don't do those wicked things. As does Romans 1.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#38 Jul 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
2 things:
1- The Bible gives us history of the beginning, the first men, etc. The Bible is about the story of the beginning- gives us earliest history.
2- Seems like you mentioned a lot of things from Leviticus, Deuteronomy etc. Usually that means you really don't have a good understanding of the Bible, its message, what those things are about etc. Many attacks on the Scriptures comes from those places.
Romans 2:14-15 explains a lot about those tribes who have no knowledge of God yet still don't do those wicked things. As does Romans 1.
It's your claim that the legal system we have started with The Bible that I am "attacking", which you don't even address. In addition The Bibles account of "the beginning" is completely misunderstood by Christians. The story of Adam and Eve and their descendants is the retelling of the agricultural revolution. There are three types of cultures, then and now, agriculturists/farmers, hunter/gatherers and herder/pastorolists, the agriculturist conquers the herder, the hunter/gatherer is forced into agriculture, that is what the story is about. It was going on two thousand years ago and it's still going on. And there are a few tribal communities who still live their traditional hunter/gather lifestyle and are being assimilated or forced into agriculture. That's the story, it has nothing to do with God. Seriously, do you really think somebody was there at the beginning taking notes? These stories were told and retold as parables that's how history was handed down. It wasn't literal. Let me repeat, it wasn't literal, it was to teach a moral lesson, and that lesson wasn't that mankind is flawed. Remember the agriculturist/expansionist was the bad guy and tilling of the soil was punishment, all embraced by Christianity. Did the Semites or Jews adopt this lifestyle, no, it was the story of their enemies. If you took your blinder off there's proof all around, we could go over it, but the Christian mindset doesn't allow for a different perspective, so I know it's hard for you to see. No insult intended.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#39 Jul 15, 2013
Huh - I have confused my discussions - I swear I responded to some of these posts - I must have cut/pasted on another thread or maybe my posts didn't post - I don't know whether to blame myself or Topix..

Hmm

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#40 Jul 15, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Been listening to Glen Beck? He makes a lot of sense doesn't he. He lives in Texas not that far from me. In fact i once had a deer lease not far from his ranch.
Mormons have a history of religious persecution which is why they now basically own Utah. Not supporting their church beliefs but I respect their political views and christian lifestyles. Of course many catholics have good lifestyles and political views also. I think you and I have a similar world view as they do.
Wait a minute - I understand that Catholics must believe they support the ONE true church while Protestant churches may be less convinced that there can only be ONE interpretation of the Bible.

But Mormons literally and openly commit adultery by "marrying" multiple people - that's one of the commandments! Isn't that sort of lifestyle as un-Christian as a homosexual lifestyle?

How can you respect Mormons but not gays?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#41 Jul 15, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, listen to him every once in a while. He does make sense, which is why most try to discredit him as loony. Don't go scaring the sheeple. I also agree that Mormons and Catholics for the most part do have good lifestyles and politics. I really believe Romney was one of the better PEOPLE we've had to run for president in a while. Good people don't always make the best candidates sometimes.
GAY people have good lifestyles and politics - why is it OK for other Christians to have a disagreement about interpreting the Bible, but gay people cannot be allowed?

Romney is as much of a boob as Obama - why do you think they are so different? Each were hoping to win the chance to front our government. The election was to choose which person to blame for our unstoppable economic collapse. Oh goody for Obama - what a prize! NO good people make good candidates - any candidate, upon winning an election, acts on behalf of those people with actual control - candidates are just convincing actors. At least real actors revert back to honesty after their show is over - political actors live the lie.

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