Church of Christ Predates Alexander Campbell

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Mike Peterson

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MCOC wrote:
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I love it when non Catholics use history to prove something.

What ignorance. It was a debate between the Anglican Church, Featley and and William Kiffin, a Baptist.

The non Catholics who called themselves the Churches of Christ at that time were the Baptists, Seekers, Diggers, Quakers and Fifth Monarchists.

Back to Campbell and the Tradition of men.

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Aug 20, 2013
 
Your comment is on the blog.

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I love it when non Catholics use history to prove something.
What ignorance. It was a debate between the Anglican Church, Featley and and William Kiffin, a Baptist.
The non Catholics who called themselves the Churches of Christ at that time were the Baptists, Seekers, Diggers, Quakers and Fifth Monarchists.
Back to Campbell and the Tradition of men.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/1985/issu...
Philip Schaff's History of Christianity, oft cited by CofC types, does not contain one syllable about the CofC.
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Aug 20, 2013
 
Mike have you re ad the books or just hitting Google.
The so called Baptist call them self church of Christ and opposed false teaching
Man up and comment on the blog so we can take this conversation past Martinsville
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You both been answered on the site man up m&m
And dare to comment outside of Martinsville

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johnny wrote:
You both been answered on the site man up m&m
And dare to comment outside of Martinsville
Did you grow up in the CofC like I did?

I am well aware of the 17th century references you cite. But you cannot produce a shred of evidence that what you call the CofC today existed before that date much less link it to the Church of the early Christian centuries. Further, I seriously doubt those calling themselves the CofC in the 17th century would recognize what it is today post Stone/Campbell.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why the worship spaces of the CofC look just like those of the Baptist church and why the CofC uses so many Baptist hymns and even those from Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists and even Catholics. Why is it that the CofC uses Welchs, created in 1893 by a Methodist, for communion even though the Primitive Baptists which share so many liturgical practices with the CofC use wine?

The CofC is simply the spawn of the Baptist church which sprang from the Presbyterian-Baptist loins of Alexander Campbell and the Anglican-Presbyterian loins of Barton Stone. This can be ignored or denied but it's the truth.

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Johnny is off his meds again. Someone asked recently if he caught something in prison that makes his mind so bad.

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Did you grow up in the CofC like I did?
I am well aware of the 17th century references you cite. But you cannot produce a shred of evidence that what you call the CofC today existed before that date much less link it to the Church of the early Christian centuries. Further, I seriously doubt those calling themselves the CofC in the 17th century would recognize what it is today post Stone/Campbell.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to why the worship spaces of the CofC look just like those of the Baptist church and why the CofC uses so many Baptist hymns and even those from Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists and even Catholics. Why is it that the CofC uses Welchs, created in 1893 by a Methodist, for communion even though the Primitive Baptists which share so many liturgical practices with the CofC use wine?
The CofC is simply the spawn of the Baptist church which sprang from the Presbyterian-Baptist loins of Alexander Campbell and the Anglican-Presbyterian loins of Barton Stone. This can be ignored or denied but it's the truth.
Are the historical references correct he sites are does the CC condemn them?
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Are the historical references correct he sites are does the CC condemn them?
What he was referring to was a debate between Protestants in the middle 1600s in England.

Anglicans and Baptists. No COC.

COC was invented in 1800.

There were only about 20 Protestant communities then. 40,000 now and wait, 40,001. One was just created.

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Are the historical references correct he sites are does the CC condemn them?
While I can hardly speak for the Catholic Church my gut feeling is that she could care less or even know about the in fighting between Baptists and other protestant denominations in this century or the 17th. And just because one group or another refers to itself as the Church of Christ does not make it so in the same way I could tell you I'm a millionaire.

There is one Church of Christ. It was founded on the Day of Pentecost and its history through the centuries, warts and all, is incredibly well documented. It is holy, catholic and apostolic. It has inspired holy men and women throughout the ages. It has inspired all the great artists, sculptors, architects, poets, writers and musicians of Western Civilization. It has created schools, universities, hospitals and done massive works of charity around the world.

You can pretend otherwise, deny, even ignore the Catholic Church but it doesn't change the truth.

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You both been answered on the site man up m&m
And dare to comment outside of Martinsville
I have neither the time nor the interest in someone's obscure blog. Perhaps you should man up and state you have no historic documentation for what you call the CofC past a few references in a couple of books. The real Church of Christ has volumes upon volumes about it filling library shelves around the world.
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johnny wrote:
You both been answered on the site man up m&m
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I don't appreciate you copying and pasting my response here on your blog. Please dont do that.
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"I don't appreciate you copying and pasting my response here on your blog. Please don't do that."

Well how else is he gonna get traffic to the site. Along with e-mail addresses.
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MCOC wrote:
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What a garbage argument. The minutes for the business meetings in the 1880’s of the church I attend show there were several instances where the clerk referred to the church name as “The church of Christ at the spring” but it was NEVER a COC! It was just a name.

If there were still “denominational” churches calling themselves churches of Christ decades after Stone started his DENOMINATION, then it is certainly not a stretch to say that some of these same or similar congregations referred to themselves as CoC before Stone came along—without having the false doctrine of the Church of Christ DENOMINATION!

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Anybody can say they are "Church of Christ" even if they don't behave like real Christians.

Johnny proves it all the time.

Johnny's latest tantrum is about bare knees. He said on TV yesterday that bare knees are a sin. I guess he ran out of little girls to slander.

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MarkEden wrote:
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While I can hardly speak for the Catholic Church my gut feeling is that she could care less or even know about the in fighting between Baptists and other protestant denominations in this century or the 17th. And just because one group or another refers to itself as the Church of Christ does not make it so in the same way I could tell you I'm a millionaire.
There is one Church of Christ. It was founded on the Day of Pentecost and its history through the centuries, warts and all, is incredibly well documented. It is holy, catholic and apostolic. It has inspired holy men and women throughout the ages. It has inspired all the great artists, sculptors, architects, poets, writers and musicians of Western Civilization. It has created schools, universities, hospitals and done massive works of charity around the world.
You can pretend otherwise, deny, even ignore the Catholic Church but it doesn't change the truth.
Semple, himself being 41 years old at the date of the first printing, would have knowledge of existing churches well before an “alleged” date of the founding of the Church of Christ. Semple records that two churches that were expected to be present in an “association meeting,” were the church of Christ, on Dan River, in Pittsylvania (county) and the church of Christ, on Black Water, in Bedford. The date of minutes to the meeting was May 13, 1771, signed by John Waller Jr., clerk.

Guess what, Alexander Campbell did not come to America until 1809, according to Robert Richardson “Memoirs of Alexander Campbell.” Again I have in my very own library another book dated April 17, 1647, written by Daniel Featley, D.D. The title is “Dippers Dipt.” This book contains a debate that Featley (a member of British Parliament) claimed to have had with ministers from seven churches of Christ in London, in 1644. Featley called them “anabaptist,” but they referred to themselves in a tract to Featley as seven churches of Christ in London.

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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't appreciate you copying and pasting my response here on your blog. Please dont do that.
Why not? its the world wide web

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Semple, himself being 41 years old at the date of the first printing, would have knowledge of existing churches well before an “alleged” date of the founding of the Church of Christ. Semple records that two churches that were expected to be present in an “association meeting,” were the church of Christ, on Dan River, in Pittsylvania (county) and the church of Christ, on Black Water, in Bedford. The date of minutes to the meeting was May 13, 1771, signed by John Waller Jr., clerk.
Guess what, Alexander Campbell did not come to America until 1809, according to Robert Richardson “Memoirs of Alexander Campbell.” Again I have in my very own library another book dated April 17, 1647, written by Daniel Featley, D.D. The title is “Dippers Dipt.” This book contains a debate that Featley (a member of British Parliament) claimed to have had with ministers from seven churches of Christ in London, in 1644. Featley called them “anabaptist,” but they referred to themselves in a tract to Featley as seven churches of Christ in London.
And your point is? Give us all something prior to 1644. And were all these CofCs using wine for communion or not? My CofC ancestors are from that part of Virginia and chances are better than good every house had a still out back too.

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And your point is? Give us all something prior to 1644. And were all these CofCs using wine for communion or not? My CofC ancestors are from that part of Virginia and chances are better than good every house had a still out back too.
As I asked before was what I posted true or false?
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't appreciate you copying and pasting my response here on your blog. Please dont do that.
Are you serious. I can copy and paste anything from anybody. If you are going to post it here let it be know that it will be elsewhere.

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