Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#224 Jan 10, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>Torah - the Mitzva of God - the living Torah, Jesus Christ.

Mt. 28, Acts 1-3
John, I, II, III John, Revelation, I II Peter, James and Jude

Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, not clever debaters as Campbell, Luther, Calvin or Marcion;-)
Ah, so you keep the sabbath and execute those who don't like the Torah teaches?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#225 Jan 11, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, so you keep the sabbath and execute those who don't like the Torah teaches?
Is that how you practice worship of God in your Church? No.

The forth commandment is to keep the seventh day holy because God said so because it was on the Seventh Day that He rested, and we are told to do likewise in honor of His being the Creator. Jesus, nor any of the true apostles changed the Sabbath, nor changed any other of the open ended commandments of God in the Torah.

Retribution for breaking His commandments belongs to God. Sin is so deeply infiltrated society world wide that this is not going to keep sin from the land. No.

But He is coming back to judge those who do not the will and commandments of God and who taught lies in His name.

It's your decision if you want to repent and believe and do His will - or if you will to continue to reject His Mitzvah and the testimony of Jesus Christ from the Father.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#226 Jan 11, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>Is that how you practice worship of God in your Church? No.

The forth commandment is to keep the seventh day holy because God said so because it was on the Seventh Day that He rested, and we are told to do likewise in honor of His being the Creator. Jesus, nor any of the true apostles changed the Sabbath, nor changed any other of the open ended commandments of God in the Torah.

Retribution for breaking His commandments belongs to God. Sin is so deeply infiltrated society world wide that this is not going to keep sin from the land. No.

But He is coming back to judge those who do not the will and commandments of God and who taught lies in His name.

It's your decision if you want to repent and believe and do His will - or if you will to continue to reject His Mitzvah and the testimony of Jesus Christ from the Father.
So you don't obey this:

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
36 So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#227 Jan 11, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't obey this:
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
36 So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
Numbers 15:32-36
I'll have to answer for myself to God.

So will you.

You need to think more about your own situation.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#228 Jan 11, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
What pattern does your church follow?
No pattern for any church to follow.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#229 Jan 11, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>I'll have to answer for myself to God.

So will you.

You need to think more about your own situation.
Okay

Is that it?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#230 Jan 15, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
No pattern for any church to follow.
I disagree there have been always patterns to follow either those of Gods word or those of Mans thoughts. If a church does not follow the pattern laid out in the word of God then it will follow a man made pattern and then get alot of different ideas..... "well Ill be Andy".

7 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ,
Donna Snead

Martinsville, VA

#231 Jan 15, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree there have been always patterns to follow either those of Gods word or those of Mans thoughts. If a church does not follow the pattern laid out in the word of God then it will follow a man made pattern and then get alot of different ideas..... "well Ill be Andy".
7 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ,
Provide the pattern list that all CoC follow and all church of CoC agree with. Please be detailed with THE PATTERN so we all know it. Start with the HolyGhost residing in the saved soul. You CoC cant even agree on what pattern on this. The Lord's supper is another PATTERN you CoC do not follow the same. I hate liars and you know dang well you CoC do not agree on THE PATTERN.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#232 Jan 15, 2014
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree there have been always patterns to follow either those of Gods word or those of Mans thoughts. If a church does not follow the pattern laid out in the word of God then it will follow a man made pattern and then get alot of different ideas..... "well Ill be Andy".
7 Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ,
Make sure what we are talking about is clear. In Philippians 3, Paul is speaking about individual conduct that others can see and should imitate. The COC idea, one that you have endorsed, is that there is a "pattern" that has to be dug out from the NT passages in order to imitate the first century church.

*We are the 21st century church, and reinventing the first century church is kind of impossible.
*The idea that there is a hidden pattern in the NT to be dug out and imitated flies in the face of Scripture.
*The term pattern in the NT is never used as the COC uses it.
*Never told anywhere that there is now a set "pattern" of "worship".

As I hear more and more COC messages on the radio and TV and on the net, I cringe at just how many times Scripture is taken out of context to get to the desired conclusion. The pattern idea is one such thing.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#233 Jan 15, 2014
Donna Snead wrote:
<quoted text>Provide the pattern list that all CoC follow and all church of CoC agree with. Please be detailed with THE PATTERN so we all know it. Start with the HolyGhost residing in the saved soul. You CoC cant even agree on what pattern on this. The Lord's supper is another PATTERN you CoC do not follow the same. I hate liars and you know dang well you CoC do not agree on THE PATTERN.
1 Cor 1:10
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#234 Jan 16, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Cor 1:10
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloes household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says,I am of Paul, or I am of Apollos, or I am of Cephas, or I am of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

So our pattern then is to not argue about who baptized us or what preacher we prefer, correct?

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#235 Jan 16, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says,“I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

So our pattern then is to not argue about who baptized us or what preacher we prefer, correct?
Mark 16:16

No argument.
Christ settled the matter.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#237 Jan 16, 2014
2 Timothy 1:12-14

New King James Version (NKJV)

12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.
Be Loyal to the Faith

13 Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

Hebrews 8:4-6

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said,See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.[a] 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The first is addressed to an individual, the second states that the OT sacrificial system is a copy of heavenly things; and that Moses was to follow the pattern.

Pray tell, where are WE commanded to follow a pattern such as Moses was? And if we were, wouldn't we be under a shadow at that point and not reality?
Jerry Taylor

Martinsville, VA

#238 Jan 16, 2014
dont look for heath to answer you. i went to the coc and know johnny and all of them. they wont discuss what they disagree on with other coc in town but quick to write them off as lost brothers on the Lord's church. they want to paint a picture of unity so they dont seem like a denominaton. if you ever come t my town stop by chatmoss coc and i can tell you much more
Jerry Taylor

Martinsville, VA

#239 Jan 16, 2014
it has been said on here that Johnny is a cult leader. this is ot just shared amoung people of other Churches but those in the coc see him as such. the man is controlling and on an ego trip and to disagree with him is par with disagreeing with God. Do it and out the Church you will go. plus he use manipulartion tactics to stir members his way. miss a tent meeting and you get wrote abou in the sunday memo or preached about. sickening

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#241 Jan 16, 2014
http://youtu.be/m23ia51Y2uY

1 Corinthians 15:58
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#242 Jan 16, 2014
Jerry Taylor wrote:
it has been said on here that Johnny is a cult leader. this is ot just shared amoung people of other Churches but those in the coc see him as such. the man is controlling and on an ego trip and to disagree with him is par with disagreeing with God. Do it and out the Church you will go. plus he use manipulartion tactics to stir members his way. miss a tent meeting and you get wrote abou in the sunday memo or preached about. sickening
I think I've already been ripped on 'What does the Bible Say?' If I remember correctly.
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#243 Jan 30, 2014
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark 16:16
No argument.
Christ settled the matter.
The longer ending of Mark is man made there are no examples of the prophetic claim that if you drink poison you will not be harmed being proven in scripture and by your own teaching the gifts of the spirit are gone. So the time to prove this true is also gone.

Mark 16:18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.

Please give me BCV when someone drank poison and lived to show this statement as proven true and thus from God?

I've been waiting 3 years or more for someone to do this, and not one example has been given.

If you look at the history of the early church you will see why a scribe added that longer ending. First because ending at verse 8 was abrupt, secondly those that claimed to still have the gifts could be controlled, either they followed the man made teaching and drank poison and died or they did not drink poison and thus had to back down on their claims. This allowed the Catholic Church to refute the sects claiming to be operating in the gifts since this had caused a great schism from the Montanists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism

So be adding the text to Mark they did not have to worry about the above happening again!
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#244 Jan 30, 2014
So be should be So by adding...

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#245 Jan 30, 2014
Walkinginlove wrote:
<quoted text>The longer ending of Mark is man made there are no examples of the prophetic claim that if you drink poison you will not be harmed being proven in scripture and by your own teaching the gifts of the spirit are gone. So the time to prove this true is also gone.

Mark 16:18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Please give me BCV when someone drank poison and lived to show this statement as proven true and thus from God?

I've been waiting 3 years or more for someone to do this, and not one example has been given.

If you look at the history of the early church you will see why a scribe added that longer ending. First because ending at verse 8 was abrupt, secondly those that claimed to still have the gifts could be controlled, either they followed the man made teaching and drank poison and died or they did not drink poison and thus had to back down on their claims. This allowed the Catholic Church to refute the sects claiming to be operating in the gifts since this had caused a great schism from the Montanists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montanism

So be adding the text to Mark they did not have to worry about the above happening again!
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVarticles/A...

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