Jesus is King

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#578 Dec 5, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
I take it you can't explain the verse.
Typical.
LOL You are too much. Mike has told you over and over. He is far nicer and more patient than me. Why don't you tell us what you think of the Presbyterian Paedocommunionists who all think the Church of Christ is major crap? They seem to be your welcome ally in Catholic bashing yet you remain silent on their denomination. Maybe you've never heard of paedocommunion, the Sprouls or even Daniel Sommer before. If I were in your position I would ignore Sommer as well.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#579 Dec 5, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>LOL You are too much. Mike has told you over and over. He is far nicer and more patient than me. Why don't you tell us what you think of the Presbyterian Paedocommunionists who all think the Church of Christ is major crap? They seem to be your welcome ally in Catholic bashing yet you remain silent on their denomination. Maybe you've never heard of paedocommunion, the Sprouls or even Daniel Sommer before. If I were in your position I would ignore Sommer as well.
Sad, you can't explain a simple verse.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#580 Dec 5, 2013
It's a good thing Heath and the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ were not around during the Crusades. We would all be muslims since Heath and his folks would be busy figuring out who to call father.

http://youtu.be/uv_2x6JmuaE

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#581 Dec 5, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
I take it you can't explain the verse.
Typical.
The Church wrote that verse. It is an ignorant and futile excercise to argue over a what a verse means to SSer.

Any answer ,and it's no it doesn't, it means this. The Bible cannot mean 40,000 things.

The Church wrote the Bible and as protected it by making hand made copies until the printing press.

Without the Church you would not have a Bible.

Without SS you would have to sell used cars or work the peep show at the fair. Step right on in and see the bearded lady.

Making a living leading people down the wrong path. The first century church did not make a living preaching.

Name some of them and the contract they signed.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#582 Dec 5, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>The Church wrote that verse. It is an ignorant and futile excercise to argue over a what a verse means to SSer.

Any answer ,and it's no it doesn't, it means this. The Bible cannot mean 40,000 things.

The Church wrote the Bible and as protected it by making hand made copies until the printing press.

Without the Church you would not have a Bible.

Without SS you would have to sell used cars or work the peep show at the fair. Step right on in and see the bearded lady.

Making a living leading people down the wrong path. The first century church did not make a living preaching.

Name some of them and the contract they signed.
And what does that verse mean?

Who should I not call father?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#583 Dec 5, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus created a Church and promised it would never fail. Jesus' Words. Find that Church and that is where the Truth has been protected from day one.
All history points to one.
High end Prots believe that the CC was the one. However, they believe that Jesus failed and therefore lied.
Low end Prots believe their community was the one or every believer is part of that Church no matter what they believe the Truth is.
Mike, are you actually serious? Did you know the RCC used to practice baptism for the dead? Mormons really boast about that one. You know the CC no longer does this and hasn't for a long time. But it also serves to make a point - that they didn't really understand or practice the truth, because they believed something in error. Each generation incorporates its own flavor to what they received. As with Israel, some generations go forward, and some backward - none can abide idle. CC no longer sells indulgences does it?

So go back and try to actually answer the question again - if you can.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#584 Dec 5, 2013
The fact resides in the teaching of Yeshua about His Father being the vinedresser. Those not baring fruits of righteousness - that branch is cast off by God and will be burned. So much for hiding child abusing priests. What did Yeshua say about those who harm children? Didn't he say it would be better for them on that day that they were never born or that a millstone be tied around their neck and cast into the sea?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#585 Dec 6, 2013
Since all preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ are accomplished experts in Koine, at least the ones posting in Topix, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Greek Orthodox priest has to say about Heath's questioning the use of the word "father."

http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/father.htm
William

Talladega, AL

#586 Dec 6, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Since all preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ are accomplished experts in Koine, at least the ones posting in Topix, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Greek Orthodox priest has to say about Heath's questioning the use of the word "father."

http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/father.htm
More cowbell!

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#587 Dec 6, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Since all preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ are accomplished experts in Koine, at least the ones posting in Topix, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Greek Orthodox priest has to say about Heath's questioning the use of the word "father."
http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/father.htm
Don't limit it to COC. All low end prots.

Like that article mentions, I know they never have called anybody their teacher either. Like maybe the Bible college they went to or whatever they called those places.

One of Satan's greatest inventions. Sola Scriptura.

Same Chapter as Father as your link provides.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#588 Dec 7, 2013
You may even find it interesting what "Hebrew" means in Hebrew. Abraham left paganism and crossed over the pagan lands to the land that the One True God lead him to go. Its meaning is to cross over from serving that which is not God to serving that which is of the One True God.

Those who are of the faith of Abraham are those who likewise cross from darkness to the light of His glorious Words of Life - the Torah and the Teachings of Master YHWH Yeshua.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#589 Dec 7, 2013
I agree that majoring in Greek is of little actual value to understanding the Scriptures. It complicates so many things and makes those caught in that trap to be what LDS call "offenders for a word."

The more I've studied, there is much more value to understand what Jews believed their Scripture said and note the root word meanings. Perhaps we miss out on much because some have taught against the faith of Abraham and Gods' working through Israel to being forth the Redeemer.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#590 Dec 7, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't limit it to COC. All low end prots.
Like that article mentions, I know they never have called anybody their teacher either. Like maybe the Bible college they went to or whatever they called those places.
One of Satan's greatest inventions. Sola Scriptura.
Same Chapter as Father as your link provides.
Yeshua's viewpoint seemed to be to live by the words in it that clearly were spoken by God or directly told to His Prophets to be instructions to Israel when they were following their own hearts rather than what He had told them.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#591 Dec 7, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Since all preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ are accomplished experts in Koine, at least the ones posting in Topix, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Greek Orthodox priest has to say about Heath's questioning the use of the word "father."
http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/father.htm
I am not an accomplished expert. Did study it in college, use it every day in studies.

Orthodox priest is right on the money.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#592 Dec 7, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not an accomplished expert. Did study it in college, use it every day in studies.
Orthodox priest is right on the money.
Let's see. Heath and you both preach in the COC. It is confusing since all congregations are stand alone man made communities.

I could go start one if I wanted to, right? All I need is about 2 or 3 families to start with. That's how the Baptists were.

Then I could visit your Church and ask for seed money.

Would your Church associate with mine if I called it Mike's Church of Christ as long I claim to believe like O&W and Heath?

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#593 Dec 7, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Since all preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ are accomplished experts in Koine, at least the ones posting in Topix, I thought it would be interesting to see what a Greek Orthodox priest has to say about Heath's questioning the use of the word "father."

http://www.stpaulsirvine.org/html/father.htm
That article did not explain the practical application of the verse.

Who am I not suppose to call father according to Christ???

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#594 Dec 7, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
That article did not explain the practical application of the verse.
Who am I not suppose to call father according to Christ???
Oh the folly of the asinine doctrine of SS.

You Prots take a Catholic book and pull out verses that fit what you believe and make up reasons why verses don't fit what you believe. One verse does not make the other verse untrue. "This and That" not "This not That"

There are 144 occasions in the New Testament when the title of father is used for someone other than God. Go find them. It is applied to the patriarchs of Israel, the fathers of families, to Jewish leaders and to Christian leaders.

Protestants call their ministers "Pastor." Pastor means shepherd. In John 10:14-16 Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd." If we reason that we cannot call a priest Father because we "have one Father who is in heaven," then can we not also reason that we cannot call a minister Pastor because there is only "one Shepherd?"

God is Father and Jesus is Shepherd in the ultimate sense. Church leaders are shepherds and fathers in a lesser sense. Why else would Peter say in 1 Peter 5:2-4, "Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory." The term "Chief Shepherd" indicates that there are subordinate shepherds. One scripture verse clarifies another, and so it is with the different verses pertaining to the title of father.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#595 Dec 7, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
That article did not explain the practical application of the verse.
Who am I not suppose to call father according to Christ???
Who is more obnoxious...Heath or Nelson Mandela?

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#596 Dec 7, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh the folly of the asinine doctrine of SS.

You Prots take a Catholic book and pull out verses that fit what you believe and make up reasons why verses don't fit what you believe. One verse does not make the other verse untrue. "This and That" not "This not That"

There are 144 occasions in the New Testament when the title of father is used for someone other than God. Go find them. It is applied to the patriarchs of Israel, the fathers of families, to Jewish leaders and to Christian leaders.

Protestants call their ministers "Pastor." Pastor means shepherd. In John 10:14-16 Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd." If we reason that we cannot call a priest Father because we "have one Father who is in heaven," then can we not also reason that we cannot call a minister Pastor because there is only "one Shepherd?"

God is Father and Jesus is Shepherd in the ultimate sense. Church leaders are shepherds and fathers in a lesser sense. Why else would Peter say in 1 Peter 5:2-4, "Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory." The term "Chief Shepherd" indicates that there are subordinate shepherds. One scripture verse clarifies another, and so it is with the different verses pertaining to the title of father.
Amen to those passages.

Who
on earth
am I
NOT
suppose to call
FATHER???

Practical application I can use today.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#597 Dec 7, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh the folly of the asinine doctrine of SS.

You Prots take a Catholic book and pull out verses that fit what you believe and make up reasons why verses don't fit what you believe. One verse does not make the other verse untrue. "This and That" not "This not That"

There are 144 occasions in the New Testament when the title of father is used for someone other than God. Go find them. It is applied to the patriarchs of Israel, the fathers of families, to Jewish leaders and to Christian leaders.

Protestants call their ministers "Pastor." Pastor means shepherd. In John 10:14-16 Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd." If we reason that we cannot call a priest Father because we "have one Father who is in heaven," then can we not also reason that we cannot call a minister Pastor because there is only "one Shepherd?"

God is Father and Jesus is Shepherd in the ultimate sense. Church leaders are shepherds and fathers in a lesser sense. Why else would Peter say in 1 Peter 5:2-4, "Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory." The term "Chief Shepherd" indicates that there are subordinate shepherds. One scripture verse clarifies another, and so it is with the different verses pertaining to the title of father.
Please give the passages that say "father Paul" and "father Peter".

I'm guessing it's in the same place "pope Peter" is found.:)

Now we'll get some blah blah about SS and protestant denominations. Then something about A. Campbell and Sommer.

Sad but true.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Bassett Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
the church of Christ insider discussion boards (Aug '10) Jan 20 Hope and Change 9
My girl Jan 19 The wonderer 1
Is there anything to do here??? Bored..... Jan 17 ATTheWizard85 1
I like to get on some buttseckz.. I aint gay.. ... (Jun '16) Dec 31 Waldo Jones 2
i gotta doo doo!!! (Jul '16) Dec 25 Orphelius Pontiac 2
Church of Christ rules and principles (Apr '13) Dec '16 Credal Drone 306
THE CHILDREN of THE GOD MOST HIGH (May '14) Dec '16 randy 6

Bassett Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Bassett Mortgages