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Dave P

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Think why they did that. So people like you couldn't translate it to fit your beliefs. That ended with the printing press.

This is true. Go to a church with 20 people, 20 different ideas on many things. 200 people-200 interpretations. And in reality, most feel they don't need a preacher or leaders to tell them what the Bible says.

In a very real sense, we have spiritual anarchy and rebellion.
Catholic Guy

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HEATH - 72 wrote:
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If it did not need to mention that then why do you Catholics always try to go to the Bible to prove the pope's origin?
You are starting to get it. The word Pope is not in the Bible. The Pope's origin is. It is in the Gospels.

The first Pope and infant baptism, the real presence, confession, all existed before all of the NT was written.

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Dave P wrote:
Think why they did that. So people like you couldn't translate it to fit your beliefs. That ended with the printing press.
This is true. Go to a church with 20 people, 20 different ideas on many things. 200 people-200 interpretations. And in reality, most feel they don't need a preacher or leaders to tell them what the Bible says.
In a very real sense, we have spiritual anarchy and rebellion.
Otherwise known as Protestantism.

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Catholic Guy wrote:
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You are starting to get it. The word Pope is not in the Bible. The Pope's origin is. It is in the Gospels.
The first Pope and infant baptism, the real presence, confession, all existed before all of the NT was written.
Daniel Sommer, who died in 1940, took two cups of Alexander Campbell, 1 cup of Welch's Pasteurized Grape Juice, 1/4 cup Baptist hymn, 1/4 cup Lutheran hymn, 1/4 cup Presbyterian hymn, 1/4 cup Methodist hymn, took away the piano and organ mixed it all up and voilà! Out came the denomination called the Church of Christ.

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Howling wrote:
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You can't possibly be this deceived. Oh, yes you can. Satan IS in the church, the hierarchy and monopoly of souls for his purpose, and that would be the RCC corporate church, not of Christ in any way, shape, or form. Not those that belong and are deceived, buy the governmental body that continues to spend multimillions protecting their pedophiles and putting money into buildings opposed to the poor and persecuted. And Jesus weeps ...
Is your last name Sproul?

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Howling wrote:
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You can't possibly be this deceived. Oh, yes you can. Satan IS in the church, the hierarchy and monopoly of souls for his purpose, and that would be the RCC corporate church, not of Christ in any way, shape, or form. Not those that belong and are deceived, buy the governmental body that continues to spend multimillions protecting their pedophiles and putting money into buildings opposed to the poor and persecuted. And Jesus weeps ...
What a bunch of crap. Satan is everywhere. Jesus has protected his Church from him for 2000 years.

The Church has fed, educated, housed, and clothed more children and adults than any other organization in the history of world including governments.

What non-Catholic ecclesial community were you born into? Is it over 40 years old? Maybe you changed and yours is one week old.
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Dave P wrote:
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The word apostle means a delegated authority. Paul never claimed to be one of the 12. Others could be and were "apostles" besides those 12. PS- why are you dodging the ABSOLUTE LACK of Biblical evidence that Paul was rejected by the Jerusalem church and that his works weren't scripture or accepted? That info is in Mythology 101.
*Yes, you do twist Paul's words. You don't understand his writings in Romans 9-11, you apparently don't understand what you quoted from 1 Corinthians, and you desire to do what no other human besides Christ has ever done. Good luck, but I don't think you will succeed.
You may very well have committed blasphemy of the Spirit by ceasing to believe in a Spirit-filled messenger and dragging him through the mud. If so, repentance may be beyond you. At the least I hope you won't be a stumbling block to others with this nonsense. You'd be better off with a millstone around your neck in the bottom of the sea than being Jesus' Words only guy's mouthpiece.
Since I know God gave His Spirit that the Torah would be written on our hearts so we could be careful to keep His word from our hearts (EZ 36:26,27), I know not to listen to anyone who says what God said doesn't matter.

Secondly, Paul failed the tests God gave in Deu. 4, 12, 13, 18, and GOD says I'm not to fear Paul or his pompus threats or lies.

You, however, have failed to hear or do what God said on the matter, as you are still Catholic. Second to that - you still believe Paul, even when you can see for yourself he lied about what Jesus said to him...

Sorry....
Dave P

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Barnsweb wrote:
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Since I know God gave His Spirit that the Torah would be written on our hearts so we could be careful to keep His word from our hearts (EZ 36:26,27), I know not to listen to anyone who says what God said doesn't matter.
Secondly, Paul failed the tests God gave in Deu. 4, 12, 13, 18, and GOD says I'm not to fear Paul or his pompus threats or lies.
You, however, have failed to hear or do what God said on the matter, as you are still Catholic. Second to that - you still believe Paul, even when you can see for yourself he lied about what Jesus said to him...
Sorry....
Still catholic? Have you sprung a leak? They do make much more sense than you do though.

Nice to see you've learned to play dodgeball better than anyone else on this forum.

Keep playing dodgeball and listening to clueless people leading you to crazytown. And not paying attention to anyone's actual thoughts or arguments. Nice fruitcake weather here on Martinsville Topix. And you used to have some sense.
Dave P

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Hopefully you're judging your own posts as agree and helpful BW. If someone else is, they may be deeper in the weeds than you are.
Dave P

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Barnsweb wrote:
We'll see soon enough. Have you read "The Harbinger"?
The heart of a biblical hermeneutic is the commitment to understanding the literary context of a passage. This is where Cahn’s thesis first runs into trouble. Nothing in the context gives any indication that either Isaiah or the Lord intended for Isaiah 9:10 to be understood as having to do with anything other than the Northern Kingdom in the 8th century B.C. Although the author has insisted in a moderated discussion with this reviewer that he does not believe Isaiah 9:10 is to, for or about America,[6. On April 4, 2012, Dr. Jimmy DeYoung moderated a discussion between Jonathan Cahn and this author which is available on the Prophecy Today website ( www.prophecytoday.com )] the book paints a very different picture.

Unfortunately, The Harbinger is a distraction from properly understanding the Word of God, particularly prophecy and so can legitimately be characterized as dangerous. It conveys what the author believes is a prophetic message, but the book clearly does not meet the tests for a prophetic Word from God. The Harbinger is misleading and therefore does not legitimately achieve what it sets out to do. Believers run the risk of embracing a misguided view of Scripture and a distorted view of history, while unbelievers will likely end up either skeptical or confused or both.

Good review of a work of fiction.
Barnsweb

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Dave P wrote:
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This is the root of your problem. "Read this guy, read that guy". You've read apparently a bunch of people who have no clue what they're talking about. Jesus said the nation was judged, the kingdom taken away, their system is gone. Modern Israel is NOT the Biblical nation of Israel.
Do you understand what the hope of Israel really was?
Jesus is the central figure in history, not Israel.
How about setting aside what your Church told you about Israel's right to become a nation again. Anyone can know that the Catholics have long standing taught God wouldn't allow them to be a nation again. I can supply you some quotes from the 1400's on from substantial Catholic and Reformation figures. But let's examine the facts.

If God did judge them and prevent their every effort to reclaiming the land.....

How is it possible that they were restored as a nation to the day prophecied as outlined in Grant Jeffery's book,'The Signature of God'?

If God condemned them and thwarted all efforts to reclaim the land - could it be that God allowed them back when He said they would be brought back - and that it IS HIS work, not theirs, to show that He is the One who did this? And if so - you need to back up and agree with the truth and justice of God and knock off condemning God's just and righteous word.

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The book of Revelation depicts the Head of the church given messages to the 7 churches of Asia Minor.

Revelation 1-3

No pope middleman.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Dave P

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Barnsweb wrote:
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How about setting aside what your Church told you about Israel's right to become a nation again. Anyone can know that the Catholics have long standing taught God wouldn't allow them to be a nation again. I can supply you some quotes from the 1400's on from substantial Catholic and Reformation figures. But let's examine the facts.
If God did judge them and prevent their every effort to reclaiming the land.....
How is it possible that they were restored as a nation to the day prophecied as outlined in Grant Jeffery's book,'The Signature of God'?
If God condemned them and thwarted all efforts to reclaim the land - could it be that God allowed them back when He said they would be brought back - and that it IS HIS work, not theirs, to show that He is the One who did this? And if so - you need to back up and agree with the truth and justice of God and knock off condemning God's just and righteous word.
The land? A nation? Look, this is very simple. In Romans 9-11, Paul clearly (for most of us) said that an Israelite was a matter of FAITH, not RACE. Not all of Israel are Israel, recall this?

This thing called Israel today is not the Israel of the Bible. Plus, I never said anything about God refusing Jews to reclaim the land. The ancient Jewish system has been fulfilled as is obsolete. The Jews were scattered, "Israel" in the Biblical sense is gone. The temple has been destroyed, and I do not believe it will ever be rebuilt. The Israel of today is a British-American Zionist man made creation. God allowed it, but it is not the supposed fulfillment of OT prophecy. Way out of context for that.

How is it possible that they were restored as a nation to the day prophecied as outlined in Grant Jeffery's book,'The Signature of God'?

2 things- one, I have no desire to read his book, seeing as how reading others has led you far astray. Two, what scriptures supposedly prophesy this? Odds are 100% that it is taken wildly out of context to make a prediction of 1948.
Dave P

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Not catholic either.

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Dave P wrote:
Not catholic either.
Not yet :)
Dave P

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MarkEden wrote:
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Not yet :)
I do have a newfound appreciation though. You guys make more sense than a lot of this stuff. If people would actually listen to your points and not simply argue, they might see that a lot does make sense too.
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Signature of God is "Bible codes", mathematics, probability, etc. Equals nonsense.

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Dave P wrote:
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I do have a newfound appreciation though. You guys make more sense than a lot of this stuff. If people would actually listen to your points and not simply argue, they might see that a lot does make sense too.
The Catholic Church bears the witness of countless known and unknown holy men and women through the past 2,000 years of Western Civilization. It is the testimony in stone and art and literature throughout the ages reflecting the inspiration of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is the strengths and frailties of the human condition recorded in minute detail and spread out for all to see. It has withstood the very Gates of Hell and thrived around the world.
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Dave P wrote:
Signature of God is "Bible codes", mathematics, probability, etc. Equals nonsense.
It was Aliens, man.

Aliens.
Barnsweb

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Dave P wrote:
Signature of God is "Bible codes", mathematics, probability, etc. Equals nonsense.
I can tell that either you didn't read it or it was over your head.

What of your explaining that God failed to prevent Israel from becoming a nation again? For some reason that angers Catholics as much as it does Muslims...more evidence Islam was started by Jesuit Catholics to get control of Jerusalem.

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