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Barnsweb

Copperopolis, CA

#183 Jul 4, 2012
Indeed the Word does take care of false doctrines and heresy.

But we need to be ever awake to the problem we have today, in that people cherish what I'd term 'one verse theology'. They take a passage to the exclusion of others that are equally or perhaps more important to the topic under discussion.

There is good reason Jesus spoke what He did. If we're familiar with His teachings, then we know His voice and follow His word, rather than a prophet come lately or a preacher/teacher who speaks not according to whatever He taught.

One example would be that of Temple ordinances and endowments or baptism for the dead. I do hope they will open their eyes to the absolute true of His every word and judge as false those apostles of theirs that would attempt to make crooked the pathways of the LORD. The trouble as I've come to see it is that most who curse them as a 'cult' have more a lack of true doctrine that LDS do!:-)
New Guy

Morehead, KY

#184 Jul 4, 2012
I'd agree with that point as well. I checked out the "Mormons are Christians too" thread on another board. Most of the people posting against mormonism couldn't really give a proper argument using scripture. It was basically "You guys are just a racist cult" or "Mormonism isn't orthodox Christianity"; but no one really made a clear point as to why.

I don't think "rightly dividing the word of truth" is a big deal to most people these days.
Barnsweb

Copperopolis, CA

#185 Jul 5, 2012
Maybe this should be a new topic?, but I've been studying it off and on for years. The AENT is a bit different, but largely the same. "Latter Day Saints", by now, have a well groomed internal economy of self-checks that is in may ways quite admirable - and in some not particularly so - but if we take a harmony of what Jesus, the original apostles and then also what Paul taught - they may well be closer to what Christians should be than what the 'real' Christians can accept or grasp - which brings these verses to mind about the last days. Think about how these apply to one group of Christians towards another:

2 Timothy 3:1-7

1But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

AENT:

But know this: That in the latter days hard times will come and men will be lovers of themselves and lovers of money, boasters, proud, revilers, unyielding towards their own people, deniers of grace, wicked, unloving, addicted to irreconcileable malicious gossips, ferocioius, haters of the good, trecherous, rash, inflated, attached to pleasure more than to the love of Elohim, having a form of respect for Elohim but wide from the power of Elohim. Them who are such, repel from you. For of them are they who creep into this and that house and captivate the women who are plunged in sins and led away by divers lusts, who are always learning, and can never come to the knowledge of the truth."

I doubt the focal point of this is ensuring no one enters the Church merely to ensure the wife is not enticed to 'divers lusts'. Jesus taught as one having authority and magnified the grace, truth and glory of the word of God as no man before or since has. Yet there are preachers of every lot that make a living from what could well be 'addicted to irreconcilable malicious gossip' of pitting one sect of Christians against another. Why on earth can't we simply agree that we all need to abide in His word as lead by the Spirit of truth and that we all be willing to rid ourselves of false doctrine and things that are not 'according to the law and the testimony'?

Murderers and theives have more grace towards each other than many "Christians" exhibit. Could this be because we are not 'unyielding towards their own people'? Just look at how many denominations we have now! And just look at how many points of division have taken over the conservative sect of the Church of Christ! and it's far worse with others, especially Baptist, CoG and Pentecostal or Evangelical, and even many of the older Western pathways that are adopting the homosexual and womens liberation agendas into the Church.

God help us all to repent and turn to serve Him alone - not some group of men who pretend to speak in His place. Jesus gave us the once for all delivered Gospel of the Kingdom of God. If we know Him, we will follow Him and hear His words and abide in them.
Springer show watcher

Cicero, IL

#186 Aug 6, 2012
Once, I saw a very touching episode of the Jerry Springer show in which a beautiful young woman, Amanda, cheated on her apparently loving husband, Chris, by having sex with another man, and Amanda even told Chris that she wanted a divorce. The reason; Chris was apparently not rich and wealthy and could not hold a permanent full time professional job. Seeing what the Bible says about divorce, especially in Matthew 5:32, I can not help but feel very sorry for Chris.

In fact, many times nowadays, assuming that Amanda had divorced Chris and was getting married to another man, I can easily imagine Chris reading Matthew 5:32, taking it personally as a sign that Amanda made him (Chris) an adulterer by divorcing him, and crashing Amanda's (second) wedding by dumping a great big homemade vat of burning gasoline on Amanda and her second "husband" and then screaming; "Burn in Hell, you partners in adultery!"

Of course, I would imagine that right after that, if Amanda, her new "husband", and/or the priest survived the gasoline inferno, they'd press heavy charges on Chris, Amanda would get a massive restraining order on Chris, and I bet Chris would probably face life in prison without parole. Then of course, if either Amanda, her new husband, or both had died from their burns, I would imagine Chris would get the death penalty, and Amanda's entire family would shove the authorities hard for the death penalty.

Since: Jul 12

Morehead, KY

#187 Aug 6, 2012
Is that junk still on the air? It's more fake than WWE.

Springer was mayor of Cincinnati when I was a kid, and was a tv news anchor. He paid for a prostitute with a PERSONAL CHECK. Idiot!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188 Aug 7, 2012
Springer show watcher wrote:
Once, I saw a very touching episode of the Jerry Springer show in which a beautiful young woman, Amanda, cheated on her apparently loving husband, Chris, by having sex with another man, and Amanda even told Chris that she wanted a divorce. The reason; Chris was apparently not rich and wealthy and could not hold a permanent full time professional job. Seeing what the Bible says about divorce, especially in Matthew 5:32, I can not help but feel very sorry for Chris.
In fact, many times nowadays, assuming that Amanda had divorced Chris and was getting married to another man, I can easily imagine Chris reading Matthew 5:32, taking it personally as a sign that Amanda made him (Chris) an adulterer by divorcing him, and crashing Amanda's (second) wedding by dumping a great big homemade vat of burning gasoline on Amanda and her second "husband" and then screaming; "Burn in Hell, you partners in adultery!"
Of course, I would imagine that right after that, if Amanda, her new "husband", and/or the priest survived the gasoline inferno, they'd press heavy charges on Chris, Amanda would get a massive restraining order on Chris, and I bet Chris would probably face life in prison without parole. Then of course, if either Amanda, her new husband, or both had died from their burns, I would imagine Chris would get the death penalty, and Amanda's entire family would shove the authorities hard for the death penalty.
Nice fairy tale.
Who May Marry

Murfreesboro, TN

#189 Dec 30, 2013
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is put away committeth adultery. Matt 5:31-32 are words of Jesus that have possibly been mis-taught and mistranslated! Look at the Greek and it says 'put away' instead of divorce. The above passage is from The American Standard Bible. Compare Matt 5:31-32 with Deut 24:1-5 about a man 'putting away' his wife! The man in Deut didn't just put her away he also wrote a bill of divorcement, making it what we call today a divorce. She went on to remarry! So why did he divorce her?! Definitely not for adultery or she would have been stoned ... to death! Check the Greek word for "put away" and also check out the American Standard Bible and/or Latin Vulgate. Most early Bibles don't say divorce they say put away. Putting away was a common practice among Jewish nation. They would just put the woman out and not return dowry to her family and would remarry and the woman might also remarry. In both cases it would be adultery, because they were still married to each other! That is why Moses started making them give a bill of divorcement in Deut 24! Jesus just stated the same thing, although that is not what new translations make us think! That is why there is so much debate about divorce. Fill in all the apoluo in the NT with 'put away' or 'separated' and all the debate problems are answered! Facebook "Who May Marry"
Who May Marry

Murfreesboro, TN

#190 Dec 30, 2013
I am 6 years in coC and always thought the 'divorce rules' had holes in them! It sounded to me like it was even too difficult for the elders and preachers to discuss. They would even get flustered trying to explain all the ins and outs. I tried to research it online with other coC and it was just as confusing. I think that if God truly left the Bible for everyone that it should be something that the masses would be able to figure out! I came across a problem with the original Greek word 'apoluo' being translated as put away and divorced. That is when I really got some answers. Found a facebook page called "Who May Marry" and a book called "Put Away but Not Divorced" by Robert Waters. I have been what has been called 'unscripturally divorced' for 'irreconcilable differences' for 24 years. I now see the truth with what I have found. No holes in the explanations I got from Mr. Waters. God bless you.
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#191 Dec 30, 2013
A lot of divorces today and those involved want to change the rules. It says what it says. 1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2. Divorce is only allowed when fornication has been committed. What God has joined together is one flesh. Not a popular part of the bible today. Instead of repenting we twist and change the rules.
William

Sylva, NC

#192 Dec 30, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
A lot of divorces today and those involved want to change the rules. It says what it says. 1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2. Divorce is only allowed when fornication has been committed. What God has joined together is one flesh. Not a popular part of the bible today. Instead of repenting we twist and change the rules.
What other parts of the law are people today under?
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#193 Dec 30, 2013
William wrote:
<quoted text>
What other parts of the law are people today under?
I am not sure marriage has anything to do with the law but I am sure Christ did not come to do away with marriage. Is that what you think Christ came for?
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#194 Dec 30, 2013
William wrote:
<quoted text>
What other parts of the law are people today under?
I didn't know you were CoC.
William

Sylva, NC

#195 Dec 30, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't know you were CoC.
I most certainly am not.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#196 Dec 31, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
A lot of divorces today and those involved want to change the rules. It says what it says. 1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2. Divorce is only allowed when fornication has been committed. What God has joined together is one flesh. Not a popular part of the bible today. Instead of repenting we twist and change the rules.
How are you so sure of this? You don't comprehend Paul's statements well. Sure you understand this one right?

Read Deuteronomy 24 and see if it says fornication only.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#197 Dec 31, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
A lot of divorces today and those involved want to change the rules. It says what it says. 1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2. Divorce is only allowed when fornication has been committed. What God has joined together is one flesh. Not a popular part of the bible today. Instead of repenting we twist and change the rules.
Did "Who may marry" get it wrong? If so, enlighten us o wise one.

I happen to agree with WMM.
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#198 Jan 1, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
How are you so sure of this? You don't comprehend Paul's statements well. Sure you understand this one right?
Read Deuteronomy 24 and see if it says fornication only.
If you think it is wrong then give us the bipolar interpretation.
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#199 Jan 1, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
How are you so sure of this? You don't comprehend Paul's statements well. Sure you understand this one right?
Read Deuteronomy 24 and see if it says fornication only.
I responded to "Who May Marry" who made no mention of Paul or his quotes, neither did I. Then bipolar Dave comes along with his interpretation. You need to get that under control before it gets out of hand and causes serious problems in your life and those around you.I would have ti turn the question around on you. "Sure you understand this one right?"
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#200 Jan 1, 2014
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Did "Who may marry" get it wrong? If so, enlighten us o wise one.
I happen to agree with WMM.
My guess is you ,your wife or someone very close to you is guilty of divorcing and remarrying for other reasons than fornication and you feel justified in re-translating the scriptures. The original word will stand regardless of how many times man and Catholics alter their traditions. Lets say it again since you have such a problem with it.
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
A lot of divorces today and those involved want to change the rules. It says what it says. 1. Marriage is between a man and a woman. 2. Divorce is only allowed when fornication has been committed. What God has joined together is one flesh. Not a popular part of the bible today. Instead of repenting we twist and change the rules.
Now you show where I said anything wrong in that post.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#201 Jan 1, 2014
The Royse City Church of Christ website had advertised in its marriage/divorce page that they would "help" people break up their own families in order to be in fellowship with that Church of Christ. It used to say that but not anymore. It was taken down.

Which is the worse sin: divorce and remarriage or breaking up a family including children?

God laughs at the Church of Christ.
Anonymous Proxy

San Jose, CA

#202 Jan 1, 2014
Olethros wrote:
The Royse City Church of Christ website had advertised in its marriage/divorce page that they would "help" people break up their own families in order to be in fellowship with that Church of Christ. It used to say that but not anymore. It was taken down.
Which is the worse sin: divorce and remarriage or breaking up a family including children?
God laughs at the Church of Christ.
Divorce and remarriage itself breaks up a family. The reason fornication is grounds for divorce is the two are no longer one flesh and the fornication makes that union unclean. They can receive forgiveness. If God forgives the adulterer they are not causing the future partner to be guilty of adultery that remarries them. They are not marrying an adulterer because God has forgiven that. To break that marriage up and reunite with the previous partner at that point would be adultery itself because they are married to another in the eyes of God if they are forgiven. My opinion anyway.

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