Open-carry backers angry bill held

There are 113 comments on the TulsaWorld.com - State story from Apr 14, 2011, titled Open-carry backers angry bill held. In it, TulsaWorld.com - State reports that:

WAVING VETERAN Rep. John Bennett: "It's all about this," he said, waving his U.S. flag tie.

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#22 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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In order to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Oklahoma you are required to have a CCW permit, it is the law. Without one you can have your weapon confiscated, and you will be fined and possible jail time. This is the law in Oklahoma and many other states.
This bill does not change the fact that you still would be required to have a permit to carry a loaded firearm.
A quote from the article you apparently did not read.
"The bill would allow anyone with a concealed handgun permit to carry a nonconcealed gun."
Did you see that ANYONE WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT TO CARRY A NONCONCEALED GUN. A permit is still required.
If you carry concealed and do not have a permit you are breaking the law.
Permits, permission slips, hall passes and notes from your parents aside....what are they so afraid of that requires them to carry a gun?
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#23 Apr 18, 2011
Noah Sunder wrote:
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Permits, permission slips, hall passes and notes from your parents aside....what are they so afraid of that requires them to carry a gun?
You don't have to be afraid to support the 2nd Amendment and your constitutional rights.

But if you need something to fear then look into the reason our founding fathers put this in the constitution, the feared a government that was similar to what they declared independence from, the feared attacks on thier families living in a hostile environment,(today is not much different).

There was a gunman out in Salt Lake City several years ago in the Trolley Square that started shooting at people, an armed citizen put a stop to his rampage, the armed citizen was not afraid to protect himself.

The right and the decision to carry is not about fear.
Big Girl Panties

Sallisaw, OK

#24 Apr 18, 2011
hummmm wrote:
Isn't John Bennett on 100% disability due to a brain injury?
Could that be the reason he is acting so irrationally?
I can't believe he is bragging and proud of how many people he has killed. Heaven help us.
Well at least he is at the capitol, attending the meetings and doing his job...better than being up there drunk and telling jokes. He was not "bragging" about the number of people he has killed, you must be misinformed. And I for sure know he is not the first person to defend his ideals and to raise his voice while doing so..ever watch C-Span? The one thing I can agree with is "Heaven help us"...we for sure need God on our side!!!
Big Girl Panties

Sallisaw, OK

#25 Apr 18, 2011
Rogers County Taxpayer wrote:
I was told by a concealed carry instructor in AR if the open carry passes here, they and other states will no longer honor Oklahomas concealed carry licenses. This would be a bad deal. I have a concealed carry, but do not support the open carry.
Too many hot heads and wanna be cops and vigilantes out there. This would just make it easier for those folks to lose control.
It is not for concealed carry instructors to decide whether or not the state of Arkansas will honor other state's licenses, Arkansas state legislature will make that decision. What difference will it make...Oklahomans will have to follow the law in Arkansas and still only be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in that state. I just don't see the difference, whether you have a gun in your pocket or on your hip how it will make you a crazed vigilante? I am not sure that I am in favor of an open carry law..but not for fear that it will somehow turn average law-abiding citizens into trigger-happy killers.

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#26 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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In order to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Oklahoma you are required to have a CCW permit, it is the law. Without one you can have your weapon confiscated, and you will be fined and possible jail time. This is the law in Oklahoma and many other states.
This bill does not change the fact that you still would be required to have a permit to carry a loaded firearm.
A quote from the article you apparently did not read.
"The bill would allow anyone with a concealed handgun permit to carry a nonconcealed gun."
Did you see that ANYONE WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT TO CARRY A NONCONCEALED GUN. A permit is still required.
If you carry concealed and do not have a permit you are breaking the law.
Maybe you should go back and read the article concerning those who think open carry should not require a permit.

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#27 Apr 18, 2011
Big Girl Panties wrote:
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Well at least he is at the capitol, attending the meetings and doing his job...better than being up there drunk and telling jokes. He was not "bragging" about the number of people he has killed, you must be misinformed. And I for sure know he is not the first person to defend his ideals and to raise his voice while doing so..ever watch C-Span? The one thing I can agree with is "Heaven help us"...we for sure need God on our side!!!
I have an Oklahoma concealed carry permit. I have a Utah concealed carry permit which is recognized in many states. Neither is recognized in my home state of California. This weekend I saw an old geezer, maybe 80 showing off his handguns in either pocket of his overalls. At a swap meet. Not a gun show, but a swap meet/flea market. Bragging to old geezers he was talking to about how he wouldn't mind busting a cap in a gang banger. The problem with open carry is that this guy is going to open carry and get those taken away from him and use on him and others.
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#28 Apr 18, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Maybe you should go back and read the article concerning those who think open carry should not require a permit.
Maybe you should actually read what the bill says and not peoples opinion of what the bill should say.
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#29 Apr 18, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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I have an Oklahoma concealed carry permit. I have a Utah concealed carry permit which is recognized in many states. Neither is recognized in my home state of California. This weekend I saw an old geezer, maybe 80 showing off his handguns in either pocket of his overalls. At a swap meet. Not a gun show, but a swap meet/flea market. Bragging to old geezers he was talking to about how he wouldn't mind busting a cap in a gang banger. The problem with open carry is that this guy is going to open carry and get those taken away from him and use on him and others.
Keep your guns in your overalls. Another reason to not live in California.
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Sallisaw, OK

#30 Apr 18, 2011
Why does John Bennett draw a brain injury disability payment? What happened to him and what percent brain injury did it leave him with?

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#31 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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Keep your guns in your overalls. Another reason to not live in California.
You're pretty funny but the story I gave is a pretty good reason to license open carry. That old geezers hand was shaking while he held his gun for others to admire. The last you want is someone who can't even qualify carrying around a gun in open sight. Even if he had a CC permit he wouldn't have it in plain sight on his hip for a thug to take from him. And he might get some help while someone jumped him and was trying to get them out of his overalls.

I own guns. I like guns. But I am responsible to guns and believe existing laws should be enforced. We don't need just anyone walking around with a gun. This guy under any circumstances can't qualify with a gun based on his physical condition. He shouldn't be carrying a gun around.

Let's say he had a CC (which he didn't in California). First of all he wasn't concealing them. He was showing them off in a place of thousands of other people milling around. Secondly, he was being irresponsible. Now you want to let him walk around like an 80 year old redneck with an attitude? I don't. And I'm 64. I've always been responsible with my guns and expect others to be required to be responsible to theirs. But if you have old geezers with shaky hands walking around with guns on their hips, you'll have everyone. And gangstas will have a field day taking them.
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#32 Apr 18, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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You're pretty funny but the story I gave is a pretty good reason to license open carry. That old geezers hand was shaking while he held his gun for others to admire. The last you want is someone who can't even qualify carrying around a gun in open sight. Even if he had a CC permit he wouldn't have it in plain sight on his hip for a thug to take from him. And he might get some help while someone jumped him and was trying to get them out of his overalls.
I own guns. I like guns. But I am responsible to guns and believe existing laws should be enforced. We don't need just anyone walking around with a gun. This guy under any circumstances can't qualify with a gun based on his physical condition. He shouldn't be carrying a gun around.
Let's say he had a CC (which he didn't in California). First of all he wasn't concealing them. He was showing them off in a place of thousands of other people milling around. Secondly, he was being irresponsible. Now you want to let him walk around like an 80 year old redneck with an attitude? I don't. And I'm 64. I've always been responsible with my guns and expect others to be required to be responsible to theirs. But if you have old geezers with shaky hands walking around with guns on their hips, you'll have everyone. And gangstas will have a field day taking them.
How do you know he had it legally? People who carry legally passed the test for their state, they qualified and showed competence and ability to carry.

The 2nd amendment states we have the right to bear arms, there is no requirement as to your physical capability to handle the firearm.

Law enforcement carry openly and there is just as much of a chance for gangstas to overpower them and steal their guns too. It has happened. Do you support law enforcement to be required to conceal their firearms too?

If someone is found to be irresponsible, such as brandishing a firearm current laws will result in revocation of their CC. If you seen this and did nothing you are just as much at fault as the old geezer if something happened.

Anytime you see someone handling a firearm irresponsibly you should report it. But that doesn't mean they should prevent the responsible ones from carrying as they choose.

Personally I see some things that would make me against open carry but there are things that would be good.

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#33 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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You don't have to be afraid to support the 2nd Amendment and your constitutional rights.
But if you need something to fear then look into the reason our founding fathers put this in the constitution, the feared a government that was similar to what they declared independence from, the feared attacks on thier families living in a hostile environment,(today is not much different).
There was a gunman out in Salt Lake City several years ago in the Trolley Square that started shooting at people, an armed citizen put a stop to his rampage, the armed citizen was not afraid to protect himself.
The right and the decision to carry is not about fear.
While the founding fathers were still shitting in an outhouse and christians were still burning witches at the stake and people owned slaves, they understood the tyranny that government can bring. But do you think seriously these turdheads with their six-shooters or automatics can stop an army? You should be paying attention to things like the Patriot Act if you're concerned about your freedom....and I don't care how many semi-automatic weapons you have in your closet, that will not protect your freedom anymore that some poor slob soldier getting wiped out in some foreign country.....excuses to play with guns.

It's an extention to many tiny dicks.

We gave up real freedom in this country decades ago and it's always for security.

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#34 Apr 18, 2011
My girlfriend has a concealed carry permit...she's man enough for me.

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#35 Apr 18, 2011
Noah Sunder wrote:
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While the founding fathers were still shitting in an outhouse and christians were still burning witches at the stake and people owned slaves, they understood the tyranny that government can bring. But do you think seriously these turdheads with their six-shooters or automatics can stop an army? You should be paying attention to things like the Patriot Act if you're concerned about your freedom....and I don't care how many semi-automatic weapons you have in your closet, that will not protect your freedom anymore that some poor slob soldier getting wiped out in some foreign country.....excuses to play with guns.
It's an extention to many tiny dicks.
We gave up real freedom in this country decades ago and it's always for security.
Well said.

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#36 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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How do you know he had it legally? People who carry legally passed the test for their state, they qualified and showed competence and ability to carry.
The 2nd amendment states we have the right to bear arms, there is no requirement as to your physical capability to handle the firearm.
Law enforcement carry openly and there is just as much of a chance for gangstas to overpower them and steal their guns too. It has happened. Do you support law enforcement to be required to conceal their firearms too?
If someone is found to be irresponsible, such as brandishing a firearm current laws will result in revocation of their CC. If you seen this and did nothing you are just as much at fault as the old geezer if something happened.
Anytime you see someone handling a firearm irresponsibly you should report it. But that doesn't mean they should prevent the responsible ones from carrying as they choose.
Personally I see some things that would make me against open carry but there are things that would be good.
Look Bubba. Individual businesses and stores like WalMart or whoever will always have the right to ban your open carry in their business. I tried to find some security to report the old man packing two pistols and flashing them but by the time I did he had disappeared into the crowds.

You are one of those I don't think should have guns because you're too violent in your debate. The constitution makes provisions for the right to bear arms. it doesn't say anyone over the age of 18 can get pack a gun openly without permit, training or background check. And that is exactly what they are trying to pass in Oklahoma. I oppose that.
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#37 Apr 18, 2011
Noah Sunder wrote:
My girlfriend has a concealed carry permit...she's man enough for me.
Probably has a bigger winky too.
Gun Toter

Oklahoma City, OK

#38 Apr 18, 2011
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Look Bubba. Individual businesses and stores like WalMart or whoever will always have the right to ban your open carry in their business. I tried to find some security to report the old man packing two pistols and flashing them but by the time I did he had disappeared into the crowds.
You are one of those I don't think should have guns because you're too violent in your debate. The constitution makes provisions for the right to bear arms. it doesn't say anyone over the age of 18 can get pack a gun openly without permit, training or background check. And that is exactly what they are trying to pass in Oklahoma. I oppose that.
Wrong a place of business cannot override the law. They can put their little stickers on the door saying No Firearms but if the law allows carrying a firearm in that type of business you can carry one inside the store. Look up the law a business preference is not law.

You tried to find some security when you should have called the police. Most store employees are not armed, you are not a very critical thinker if you call an unarmed person to disarm someone for violating firearm laws.

With your lack of reasoning and critical thinking skills you should be one that is not allowed to have a permit.

Read the LAW not opinions about the law, I pointed it out to you once A PERMIT IS STILL REQUIRED TO CARRY, openly or concealed.

If you want to ignore the facts that is your privilage and decision, live in obscurity you seem to be at home there.

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#39 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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Wrong a place of business cannot override the law. They can put their little stickers on the door saying No Firearms but if the law allows carrying a firearm in that type of business you can carry one inside the store. Look up the law a business preference is not law.
You tried to find some security when you should have called the police. Most store employees are not armed, you are not a very critical thinker if you call an unarmed person to disarm someone for violating firearm laws.
With your lack of reasoning and critical thinking skills you should be one that is not allowed to have a permit.
Read the LAW not opinions about the law, I pointed it out to you once A PERMIT IS STILL REQUIRED TO CARRY, openly or concealed.
If you want to ignore the facts that is your privilage and decision, live in obscurity you seem to be at home there.
You just instantly know everything don't you? A swap meet with more than 20,000 people in a fenced in area in Orange County California and no vehicle access other than an emergency and you know all there is to know.

And that is not the law they are trying to pass. They started with no license, no training, no background check. Decent citizens have temporarily derailed that one so they are back with an 'admended' version which is nothing more than smokescreen. Their intentions ahve been made clear all along. obviously you have not been following the whole thing and like above, think you know everything there is to know about this situation.

I cannot begin to state my contempt for the dumbing down of America where rednecks jump to conclusions and worship at the feet of a bimbo like Sarah Palin.
Roger

Okemah, OK

#40 Apr 18, 2011
Gun Toter wrote:
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Wrong a place of business cannot override the law. They can put their little stickers on the door saying No Firearms but if the law allows carrying a firearm in that type of business you can carry one inside the store. Look up the law a business preference is not law.
I'm afraid you're dead wrong on that one. The owner of the private property can absolutely restrict your right as a private citizen to carry into their establishment. While your presence there with a concealed firearm will not necessarily be in violation of any law per se, if they ask you to leave and you refuse, then you are guilty of criminal tresspassing.

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#41 Apr 18, 2011
Roger wrote:
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I'm afraid you're dead wrong on that one. The owner of the private property can absolutely restrict your right as a private citizen to carry into their establishment. While your presence there with a concealed firearm will not necessarily be in violation of any law per se, if they ask you to leave and you refuse, then you are guilty of criminal tresspassing.
This is the kind of guy who thinks a permit allows just anyone and everyone to waltz in a bank packing heat. Just astounds the mind how immature some people can be.

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