What happened to the Mullendore Murde...
zitone2

Bartlesville, OK

#141 May 27, 2009
there is a lot of information that has been posted that is correct,but there is a lot more that is just bogus,the fact is that chub wont tell the story until one more person has passed on !
young mullendore was not the only person killed at the ranch that night! and there was two more murders connected to the ranch killings that were
committed at a later date.
the bone fragment and the statement for gene not to tell at the hospital was for the other killings
that occured that night on the ranch,there were other people involved and one is still alive that helped dispose of the bodys,and this is the person that chub is protecting out of loyality to him.
the book has a lot of info,but there is more that is not in there,that one has to have to know the whole story. bill mitchell was a pimp and a crook no doubt,and his exploits are well know in this area,the man would do anything,but he did not killed ec,nor did chub. i can count on both of my hands the people who are still alive that knows the whole story about this killing, geo wayman and law enforcement only have bits and pieces.chub will tell the whole story when he can,has nothing to do with is well being.
mystery fan

Chouteau, OK

#142 May 27, 2009
Whoa,dude! This is more information than we have had on the whole website since the beginning. Sounds like you know a lot about the "mystery". What else can you tell me about bill mitchell. He's the one I want to get info on because of another murder that happened much later than ECs. Have you heard anything about him being involved in any murders since 1970?
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#143 May 27, 2009
Why is the message I posted earlier today not on this website? I ask if Chub's good friend Dale Kuhrt was still around. He was the first person Chub contacted. The two intruders who were suppose to be in the house that night, were they caught later, and I don't mean by law enforcement. Also what about Sheriff George Hughes, is he still alive?
As far as Gene Mullendore, what was Chub referring to at the hospital when he said , Gene please don't tell on me? Lots of lose ends. I do sincerely hope Chub lives long enough to tell this story.
Is it not sad that because of pride,the ranch might have been saved at that time by declaring bankruptcy & filing chapter 11 or is it 13 for reoganization? This entire mess might not have happened if EC had not become involved with a bunch of sinister people, Geoge Aycock,Kent Green , Cohen & Kerwin, to name a few. A desperate situation can cause you to lose all perspective & do some foolish things. EC is not the only one who has been taken in while being in a bad situation. He proably felt he had lost control of everything.
Mystery fan, You have a lot of work to do & it looks like you may catch a break.
mystery fan

United States

#144 May 27, 2009
We'll see. Maybe, if zitone2 chooses to post what he knows - if anything. He may just be blowing smoke, but I don't think so. Sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Zitone2, willing to share with us?
mystery fan

United States

#145 May 27, 2009
It's funny that everytime I post on this site, it comes up with a different town. Carolyn, yours came up with Richmond, KY. What is that?
Elsa

Sainte Genevieve, MO

#146 May 27, 2009
What?!?! Carolyn, you didn't point a finger at Chub as usual? Are you actually finally beginning to realize you owe Chub a HUGE apology for accusing him all along of something he didn't do???????
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#147 May 28, 2009
Elsa , Did I not say if I were wrong I would apologize? Heck I will come do it in person & you can be there to witness the event. Let's just solve this entire matter. At least everyone is back on this forum.
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#148 May 28, 2009
mystery fan wrote:
It's funny that everytime I post on this site, it comes up with a different town. Carolyn, yours came up with Richmond, KY. What is that?
I do not know how that has happened or why.

Since: May 09

Southeast Kansas

#149 May 28, 2009
Recently I came across this site and have shared some of the outlandish postings with Chub. He and I get chuckles out of it. The part that amazes me is all of the time and effort most of you spend on a crime that happened almost 40 years ago when there is so much hardship going on in the world today. Think of the difference you could make in your community, an elder, child, or animal's life, if you devoted your "Mully" time into giving back. Remember, in the end of time, God will judge the individual(s) responisble for EC's death, as well as judge those who wrongly judged others for this crime.

Since: May 09

Southeast Kansas

#150 May 28, 2009
Why does this crazy thing show I'm from Harrisonville, MO?
zitone2

Bartlesville, OK

#151 May 28, 2009
mystery fan,bill mitchell lives in your back yard.there is an old saying,dont go looking for trouble-because you will usually find it! there is nothing bill mitchell will not do,and i mean nothing,but his only connection to the mullendore
case is the fact that he was to serve papers on ec,did not happen.as far as the other stuff your looking for about billy mitchell,will be hard to extract,no one wants to open up another can of worms,also the current da of osage county will not let it happen,but if you just have to know get off the computer and start in osage county asking people in the know,you can get all of the leads you want,and trouble you can stand!
as for all the others on here that want to talk to chub,have been promised for $100.00 that they could talk to him,save your money,come to caney this weekend,chub will be at the caney valley tractor swap meet,2-3 miles north of caney east side of the road. i have heard complete strangers many times ask chub who killed mullendore, his answer has always been the same. did you read the book? if they reply yes,he will tell you that it is in the book. for all the rest who want justice served for e.c.,justice has been served!the ones resposible for the shooting have been taken care of. the ranch is still in the hands of the heirs,the ex wife has moved on,the kids and grand kids all have thier own lives. chubby is not in good health, and yes he is still respected by many.but for reasons that many of you on here can not understand. ms phillips if you will come this weekend i personally promise you a visit with just you and chubb,you can ask any question you like.and it will not cost you one dime. there will be 5-6 of us eating ice cream and shooting the breeze.
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#152 May 28, 2009
zitone2 wrote:
mystery fan,bill mitchell lives in your back yard.there is an old saying,dont go looking for trouble-because you will usually find it! there is nothing bill mitchell will not do,and i mean nothing,but his only connection to the mullendore
case is the fact that he was to serve papers on ec,did not happen.as far as the other stuff your looking for about billy mitchell,will be hard to extract,no one wants to open up another can of worms,also the current da of osage county will not let it happen,but if you just have to know get off the computer and start in osage county asking people in the know,you can get all of the leads you want,and trouble you can stand!
as for all the others on here that want to talk to chub,have been promised for $100.00 that they could talk to him,save your money,come to caney this weekend,chub will be at the caney valley tractor swap meet,2-3 miles north of caney east side of the road. i have heard complete strangers many times ask chub who killed mullendore, his answer has always been the same. did you read the book? if they reply yes,he will tell you that it is in the book. for all the rest who want justice served for e.c.,justice has been served!the ones resposible for the shooting have been taken care of. the ranch is still in the hands of the heirs,the ex wife has moved on,the kids and grand kids all have thier own lives. chubby is not in good health, and yes he is still respected by many.but for reasons that many of you on here can not understand. ms phillips if you will come this weekend i personally promise you a visit with just you and chubb,you can ask any question you like.and it will not cost you one dime. there will be 5-6 of us eating ice cream and shooting the breeze.

I really want to meet Chub but I cannot come this weekend.I have a wedding & some family obligations. I hope to come in the very near future. I think a good place to meet Chub is at the Sheriff's office. I understand they are friends to a certain degree. We can go from there to where ever Chub would like to visit & you can come to if you'd like. Would be nice if Michelle could join us.
If I were guessing the clue you might be referring to would be Kent Green. He also had motive & was in close proximity to the scene of the crime. He was a con artist deluxe. I do not know if he is alive, in prison, or dead.He would not be the person Chub is trying to protect & you said no one is a threat to Chub. As for the people who say forget this case,it sounds like justice may have been served in an unusual way. Chub does hold the key to that knowledge.

Since: May 09

Southeast Kansas

#153 May 28, 2009
When did Chub tell you he was going to the CV tractor deal this weekend? As soon as I saw your posting, I called him and asked him about it. He said he had no plans of going. Have we met before at his house, zitone2? I have met a couple of people who call him Chubby, that is why I'm wondering.
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#154 May 29, 2009
Zitone2, You pulled that one off, I was beginning to put some merit in your words.I had thought about Kent Green again & remembered what he said while in Kansas State Penitentiary on unrelated charges afterward & he said if he told who did it, he would not make it to the front gate without three knives sticking in me. Those were his documented words. He was a snake but I would think he would not do the crime himself. Ten to one he knew who did it.
My offer still stands , I would come & talk to Chub as stated.
Michelle if you are interested add your comment to this site again. You may get your documentary if enough interest is there & the money could be raised. I think those avenues might be possible,you never know.
Bays

Red Rock, OK

#155 May 29, 2009
I think there is plenty of interest in this story for a documentary. I can't believe there hasn't been a movie made about it. The few defensive ones that say let this case rest are in the minority.
zitone2

Bartlesville, OK

#156 May 29, 2009
ms phillips,makes no diff to me if you place any merit in my words or not. you are there i am here.
you have your thoughts on the matter and i know all of the players in the saga, do you know rex cauble,muscles foster,barry seal? did you know larry silver? any of the ranch hands,ms gilkey the cook,pig piglett,gene or kathleen,any of the kids? what do you bring to the table? your talks with geo wayman? what you have read in the book?
when has chub ever stated that he would tell for money?$$$ are not the issue. why meet at the sherriffs office,afraid that you will be harmed? why? who are you to be afraid?you think that you can get a confessiom from someone? like matlock.
and by the way earl rogers is the only attorney on record that ever pulled that off. but i am sure you knew that already. chub has a lot of friends,at 68 years of age i am time tested and trusted.

Since: May 09

Southeast Kansas

#157 May 29, 2009
The most disheartening part of this forum is how majority of you have made Chub out in your minds to be a villianous individual. Yes, he has made some unwise choices in his past, but who on here hasn't? If you haven't, then you can be the one to "cast the first stone". Zitone2, you seem to know Chub, so you can attest to what I'm saying. I wish all of you could see the true Chub. I wish you could see the Chub with the personality and sense of humor that is out of this world. I wish you could see the Chub who would give his last shirt off his back to whoever needs it. You seem to forget that that night, not only did Chub loose a bose, he lost a very dear friend. I love listening to the stories he tells me of him and EC. When he talks about him, he has a sparkle in his eye. He has mentioned to me on several occassions that he wished people would just let this all die. How many of you know that he is a champion bull rider? How many of you know about his childhood? How many of you know about all of the trades he can do? THAT is the real Chub. Not the Chub that is depicted in a story with a fiction genre.
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#158 May 29, 2009
zitone2 wrote:
ms phillips,makes no diff to me if you place any merit in my words or not. you are there i am here.
you have your thoughts on the matter and i know all of the players in the saga, do you know rex cauble,muscles foster,barry seal? did you know larry silver? any of the ranch hands,ms gilkey the cook,pig piglett,gene or kathleen,any of the kids? what do you bring to the table? your talks with geo wayman? what you have read in the book?
when has chub ever stated that he would tell for money?$$$ are not the issue. why meet at the sherriffs office,afraid that you will be harmed? why? who are you to be afraid?you think that you can get a confessiom from someone? like matlock.
and by the way earl rogers is the only attorney on record that ever pulled that off. but i am sure you knew that already. chub has a lot of friends,at 68 years of age i am time tested and trusted.
Zitone2, I did believe you yesterday & then I awoke to the message Nellie wrote. I thought what if I had traveled all that way for nothing. As I stated this was not a good weekend for me. The reason I wanted to meet at the sheriff's office is because I thought it would be a central location and we could move on to a place of Chub's choosing. I definantly was not coming for a confession nor do I think I am a dectective. Also I am not afraid. I talked to the sheriff a year ago & he said Chub was a good ole boy. I think they are some what friends. I have talked to Michelle to & she likes Chub. I want to help her with her documentary if I can,,,I want no acknowledgment at all. Strange as it may seem I have my reasons for wanting to meet Chub. He would understand if he met me.
The money was NOT mentioned by Chub but an intermediary who was going to arrange the meeting. That is why I did not come last summer. I did not think that was right.If you will read on this post another person also mentioned money. That conation sounded like a dog & pony show! I would explain that to Chub. You say you are tried & true,so let's mend this fence.
Nellie I know how much you love Chub,and I am sure EC was like a brother to him at one time. I do know from my own experience that along with a personality like EC's ,control is a huge factor & that can consume you. You don't have much time for yourself when you are on call 24-7.
Carolyn Phillips

Kerrick, TX

#159 May 29, 2009
Carolyn Phillips wrote:
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Zitone2, I did believe you yesterday & then I awoke to the message Nellie wrote. I thought what if I had traveled all that way for nothing. As I stated this was not a good weekend for me. The reason I wanted to meet at the sheriff's office is because I thought it would be a central location and we could move on to a place of Chub's choosing. I definantly was not coming for a confession nor do I think I am a dectective. Also I am not afraid. I talked to the sheriff a year ago & he said Chub was a good ole boy. I think they are some what friends. I have talked to Michelle to & she likes Chub. I want to help her with her documentary if I can,,,I want no acknowledgment at all. Strange as it may seem I have my reasons for wanting to meet Chub. He would understand if he met me.
The money was NOT mentioned by Chub but an intermediary who was going to arrange the meeting. That is why I did not come last summer. I did not think that was right.If you will read on this post another person also mentioned money. That conation sounded like a dog & pony show! I would explain that to Chub. You say you are tried & true,so let's mend this fence.
Nellie I know how much you love Chub,and I am sure EC was like a brother to him at one time. I do know from my own experience that along with a personality like EC's ,control is a huge factor & that can consume you. You don't have much time for yourself when you are on call 24-7.
I hate when I do not proof read,,,,,correction, connotation of a dog and pony show! I wish this whole matter could be settled, that would end all speculation . I am sorry but one cannot help wanting closure. The nature of the crime is the reason it is on going. The publicity it generated was huge.
mystery fan

United States

#160 May 29, 2009
zitone2 wrote:
mystery fan,bill mitchell lives in your back yard.there is an old saying,dont go looking for trouble-because you will usually find it! there is nothing bill mitchell will not do,and i mean nothing,but his only connection to the mullendore
case is the fact that he was to serve papers on ec,did not happen.as far as the other stuff your looking for about billy mitchell,will be hard to extract,no one wants to open up another can of worms,also the current da of osage county will not let it happen,but if you just have to know get off the computer and start in osage county asking people in the know,you can get all of the leads you want,and trouble you can stand!
as for all the others on here that want to talk to chub,have been promised for $100.00 that they could talk to him,save your money,come to caney this weekend,chub will be at the caney valley tractor swap meet,2-3 miles north of caney east side of the road. i have heard complete strangers many times ask chub who killed mullendore, his answer has always been the same. did you read the book? if they reply yes,he will tell you that it is in the book. for all the rest who want justice served for e.c.,justice has been served!the ones resposible for the shooting have been taken care of. the ranch is still in the hands of the heirs,the ex wife has moved on,the kids and grand kids all have thier own lives. chubby is not in good health, and yes he is still respected by many.but for reasons that many of you on here can not understand. ms phillips if you will come this weekend i personally promise you a visit with just you and chubb,you can ask any question you like.and it will not cost you one dime. there will be 5-6 of us eating ice cream and shooting the breeze.
Zitone2- I know that what you are saying about Bill Mitchell is true, every bit of it. I HAVE talked to people in Osage County/Pawhuska, and they will talk to me, but they won't talk to anyone that can make a difference. And I know what you say about the DA is true. I've had dealings with him before. Talk about a snake. I would like to meet with you face-to-face one of these days soon. Can't get to Caney right now, but need to talk to you. Are you game?

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