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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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#44533 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Obama is still President to a lot of people They are the ones that think the government will always pay for their healthcare, food, clothing, housing and having a bucket load of kids and these people will never raise a finger to help themselves. Oh lets not forget the illegals that he wants to give them a free ride to all the benefits that is awarded to The US citizens.
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>>>They are the ones that think the government will always pay for their healthcare, food, clothing, housing and having a bucket load of kids and these people will never raise a finger to help themselves.<<<

Not so at all. Remember, 47% of Obama support comes from the ultra-rich. Those people like you mention are but a small part of his support. His support is from a cross-section of the country who are average everyday folks, who work hard, obey the law, go to church, believe in education, and want the best for their children, patriotic Americans. They are white, black, brown, red, the young, the old, rich and poor, women
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44534 Jul 7, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
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Oh let's admit the real reason you're so against illegals.
Racism.
They come here to work and then you fault them for taking
jobs Okies are too lazy to take. Economically they're
a big benefit. When have you ever seen a white yard crew
or white construction crew ?
Mexicans are far better people than Okies.
And they have an excuse for butchering English,
unlike you.
No you are wrong about one more time.
I have no problem with anyone coming here legally. But Illegal is against the law and if caught should be punished and sent back. Race has nothing to do with it!
I know a lot that come here are hard workers and if here legally they deserve the jobs for the pure fact they want to work. If are American citizens are to lazy to do the job then it is the lazy persons own fault but because they are to lazy to do the jobs then they should not be supported by the American people's dollar either no matter what race they are.
There is a difference between legal and illegal. But not only do we benefit from the hard working legal we also get a lot of undesirables and most from the illegal end of the deal.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44536 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>No you are wrong about one more time.
I have no problem with anyone coming here legally. But Illegal is against the law and if caught should be punished and sent back. Race has nothing to do with it!
I know a lot that come here are hard workers and if here legally they deserve the jobs for the pure fact they want to work. If are American citizens are to lazy to do the job then it is the lazy persons own fault but because they are to lazy to do the jobs then they should not be supported by the American people's dollar either no matter what race they are.
There is a difference between legal and illegal. But not only do we benefit from the hard working legal we also get a lot of undesirables and most from the illegal end of the deal.
I would think as smart and wealthy you keep telling us you are you have better things to do instead of wasting your time running Oklahoma down.
If it wasn't for Oklahoma Texas would have disappeared into the Gulf of Mexico long ago! Hopefully you along with!
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#44537 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I would think as smart and wealthy you keep telling us you are you have better things to do instead of wasting your time running Oklahoma down.
If it wasn't for Oklahoma Texas would have disappeared into the Gulf of Mexico long ago! Hopefully you along with!


That's why it was easy to figure out he is neither and is in fact a basement dweller still living in his Moms basement, trolling the internet trying to offend anyone he can, trying to make himself feel better about his own miserable pathertic Government supported life but... failing miserably. He shows every sign of a registered CHESTER and because he is not allowed to stalk childrens playgrounds anymore, he trolls Topix now looking for a tingle up his leg by typing some stupid bullshit like he does over and over, while hiding behind his mothers rented computer. Believe me, Chester's parole officer has no idea he is doing it again or it would be sent back to prison because registered pedophiles like WarForOil are not supposed to be using a computer.

I understand you do not like to think the worst of someone so that is why I did not tell you the worst about him but I did notify Department of Corrections Parole Division they have one of their Convicted Child molesters, WarForOil, trolling the internet again, so maybe they will pick him up and lock him back up so we don't have to put up with his childish bullshit, we shall see if they do! Hopefully they do before he is featured again on NBC's Chris Hansen's show "To Catch a Predator" or worse, gets away with it. A little before 3:40pm this afternoon the Texas Department of Public Safety activated its seldom-used Blue Alert and multiple local law-enforcement agencies, as well as the U.S. Marshals Service and officers from the surrounding police departments, are tracking WarForOil, a violent sex offender. Until last night he was looking at doing 10 years probation but now he is facing a long time in a Texas prison. Now, say authorities, he’ll be charged with “everything” we can charge him with because he is the worst of the worse.

Hope all is going well your way.
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#44538 Jul 7, 2013
Packing Heat wrote:
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A little before 3:40pm this afternoon the Texas Department of Public Safety activated its seldom-used Blue Alert and multiple local law-enforcement agencies, as well as the U.S. Marshals Service and officers from the surrounding police departments, are tracking WarForOil, a violent sex offender.
Cut back on the drugs.

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DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#44539 Jul 7, 2013
Clayton Seymour recently sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the National Security Agency; the IT specialist was interested in knowing if the NSA was collecting data on him.

Weeks later, the Navy vet from Hilliard, Ohio--who voted for President Obama in 2008 and 2012 and supported his platform of greater governmental transparency--got a response that made him "furious."

It was a letter from the NSA explaining that he was not entitled to any information. Seymour tells Tikkun Daily Blog scribe David Harris-Gershon that he "felt betrayed."

The rejection letter details why "none of that data can be obtained by an American citizen in a standard FOIA request," the Tikkun Daily notes:

(Credit: Tikkun Daily Blog)

As it turns out, according to Harris-Gershon, "dozens of citizens have emailed me to say they've received a similar, if not identical, letter. And it's clear from the exemption the NSA is using that every single American is having their FOIA requests similarly rejected."

Seymour had decided to request his NSA file after coming across a recent post of Harris-Gershon's instructing Americans on how to properly request such files from the FBI and NSA.

Harris-Gershon adds:

It should be noted that there are legitimate exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act, the first of which states that documents requested may be denied if they are "properly classified as secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy."

However, the central problem is this: Seymour's letter from the NSA points to Executive Order 13526, signed by President Obama in 2009, as justification for the NSA's FOIA exemption.

This order signed by Obama established a uniform system for classifying national security information, and stipulates that "information shall not be considered for classification unless its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security."

This qualification appears in section 1.4 of the executive order, after which follow many categories of information which may be marked as classified. The category the NSA points to in justifying the classification of all its data is this:

(c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology

Meaning: the NSA is classifying every single bit of data it receives from ordinary American citizens based on the premise that it has been gathered covertly.

Meaning: the NSA's advertised justification for not granting FOIA requests is to protect our country. However, the real justification is the NSA's covert violation of Americans' Fourth Amendment right not to be subject to unwarranted searches and seizures (in this case of their personal, digital data).

The NSA, it seems, has classified every single piece of data on American citizens that it has seized and saved, even benign data culled from people like Seymour, who are no threat to U.S. national security.

"I believe in the concept of America," Seymour wrote to Harris-Gershon. "[But] not its current execution."
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44540 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>No you are wrong about one more time.
I have no problem with anyone coming here legally. But Illegal is against the law and if caught should be punished and sent back. Race has nothing to do with it!
I know a lot that come here are hard workers and if here legally they deserve the jobs for the pure fact they want to work. If are American citizens are to lazy to do the job then it is the lazy persons own fault but because they are to lazy to do the jobs then they should not be supported by the American people's dollar either no matter what race they are.
There is a difference between legal and illegal. But not only do we benefit from the hard working legal we also get a lot of undesirables and most from the illegal end of the deal.
Native Americans had laws against trespassers too, but your here. What does that make you, an illegal?

When Native Americans were stripped of everything they had, and driven like cattle to Oklahoma, they were promised by treaties that they would never receive that treatment again, but your here what does that make you, an illegal?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44541 Jul 7, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Native Americans had laws against trespassers too, but your here. What does that make you, an illegal?
When Native Americans were stripped of everything they had, and driven like cattle to Oklahoma, they were promised by treaties that they would never receive that treatment again, but your here what does that make you, an illegal?
No I was born here. Doesn't that still trump being illegal? By the way my great/great/grandparents, great/grandparents, grandparents/ on both sides of my family and my Mother & Dad were all born here. Same way with my husbands family along with having Cherokee Indian in the family line. So ask another stupid question!
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44542 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>No I was born here. Doesn't that still trump being illegal? By the way my great/great/grandparents, great/grandparents, grandparents/ on both sides of my family and my Mother & Dad were all born here. Same way with my husbands family along with having Cherokee Indian in the family line. So ask another stupid question!
You don't have enough Cherokee blood in you to amount to squat, because if you did, you wouldn't refer to yourself as an Indian.
Here's a suggestion. Get off your lazy ass, and pick your own fruits and vegetables so the illegals have no reason to stay.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44543 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>No I was born here. Doesn't that still trump being illegal? By the way my great/great/grandparents, great/grandparents, grandparents/ on both sides of my family and my Mother & Dad were all born here. Same way with my husbands family along with having Cherokee Indian in the family line. So ask another stupid question!
Back in the time of history you are going back to did our government have laws in place at that time in regards to the entering the boards of the US? I am pretty sure the answer is NO. Now there are laws to people entering and leaving the boards of the US. I can not change what happened in history to what our country is today. There are laws to people crossing the US boards and these laws need to be followed. Even now there are laws for the US citizen leaving and return to the US. So if a US citizens needs to show legal IDs to leave and return then I would it is not asking that anyone crossing our board to come here do the same.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44545 Jul 7, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have enough Cherokee blood in you to amount to squat, because if you did, you wouldn't refer to yourself as an Indian.
Here's a suggestion. Get off your lazy ass, and pick your own fruits and vegetables so the illegals have no reason to stay.
I will be willing to bet in my life time I have done more hard labor than you ever even though of! So Kiddo get off your lazy ass and learn to read. First of all I did not say I had Cherokee Indian blood. Second of all I never said how much my husband had I just it was there. Now we hard to not have to pick our own fruit and vegetables. But no matter coming into this country without follow the laws of this land is illegal. Now if they want to be here let them do it legally.

By the way I refer to myself as US citizens no matter what is in my blood line or the color of my skin.

Now if you feel you have been wrong by the government take it up with them. Good Luck!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44546 Jul 7, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Native Americans had laws against trespassers too, but your here. What does that make you, an illegal?
When Native Americans were stripped of everything they had, and driven like cattle to Oklahoma, they were promised by treaties that they would never receive that treatment again, but your here what does that make you, an illegal?
What laws did the ' Native American' have?
Now if you have a problem with what happen back then and with the government not holding up their end of the treaties made back then take it up with your government! Like I said before I was not born in that time in history.
Man a lady advertising the Native American Chickasaw refer to them as Indians.
WarForOil

Grapevine, TX

#44547 Jul 7, 2013
So What wrote:
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When Native Americans were stripped of everything they had, and driven like cattle to Oklahoma, they were promised by treaties that they would never receive that treatment again
Driven like cattle. Sounds appropriate.
You still have to use a cattle prod to
get any life outta them.

Oklahoma was a fit place for them.
Oklahoma the land they had to give away.

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Mcloud, OK

#44548 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Back in the time of history you are going back to did our government have laws in place at that time in regards to the entering the boards of the US? I am pretty sure the answer is NO. Now there are laws to people entering and leaving the boards of the US. I can not change what happened in history to what our country is today. There are laws to people crossing the US boards and these laws need to be followed. Even now there are laws for the US citizen leaving and return to the US. So if a US citizens needs to show legal IDs to leave and return then I would it is not asking that anyone crossing our board to come here do the same.
You've been brain washed into believing only pale face is advanced enough to have such things as law.

The reason why illegals are illegal is because they are to poor to be legal. If they had enough money to be legal they wouldn't risk their lives to come here and do our crap work so that they can provide a better life for their families.

What this country needs to do is stop all immigration until so we can put U.S. Citizens back to work. They need to pass a law that states; If unemployment is over 5% than no immigration at all. But Big Business (and Small Business also) won't allow that to happen because they don't have to pay immigrants as much.

Just so you know, Mary Fallin is in full support of allowing undocumented workers to work in Oklahoma. She has proven that by not enforcing HB 1804.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44549 Jul 7, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
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Driven like cattle. Sounds appropriate.
You still have to use a cattle prod to
get any life outta them.
Oklahoma was a fit place for them.
Oklahoma the land they had to give away.


I don't recall Mexico putting up much of a fight for Texas. Maybe they figured out they had enough scrub brush.

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Edmond, OK

#44550 Jul 7, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>You've been brain washed into believing only pale face is advanced enough to have such things as law.
The reason why illegals are illegal is because they are to poor to be legal. If they had enough money to be legal they wouldn't risk their lives to come here and do our crap work so that they can provide a better life for their families.
What this country needs to do is stop all immigration until so we can put U.S. Citizens back to work. They need to pass a law that states; If unemployment is over 5% than no immigration at all. But Big Business (and Small Business also) won't allow that to happen because they don't have to pay immigrants as much.
Just so you know, Mary Fallin is in full support of allowing undocumented workers to work in Oklahoma. She has proven that by not enforcing HB 1804.
Well then I disagree with Mary Fallin!
The fault of the poor illegals is not the fault of this country it is the fault of the country they are coming from.
So by your start off sentence you have no answer to my question! Did the Native American Indian have laws written in place about people coming to this country. These people that come to the east coast and move across this country to the West Coast?
for you to use the term 'Pale Face' tells me you do not have the intelligence to live in the present. The situation of illegals is a completely different situation and we are talking about the present. I can not change history. I can only do what I can do now and in the future. So like I said take your argument up with the founding fathers if it bothers you that much!
So What

Mcloud, OK

#44551 Jul 7, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Well then I disagree with Mary Fallin!
The fault of the poor illegals is not the fault of this country it is the fault of the country they are coming from.
So by your start off sentence you have no answer to my question! Did the Native American Indian have laws written in place about people coming to this country. These people that come to the east coast and move across this country to the West Coast?
for you to use the term 'Pale Face' tells me you do not have the intelligence to live in the present. The situation of illegals is a completely different situation and we are talking about the present. I can not change history. I can only do what I can do now and in the future. So like I said take your argument up with the founding fathers if it bothers you that much!
And you weren't born in this time in history either. Lets see, you were born around 1942. They where still lynching Black People back then. I would guess that you aren't going to take responsibility for that either, so stop using I wasn't born then as a way of making your point, it's lame.

The commercial that I believe you are referring to states, "We are Chickasaw". Native Americans only use the term Indian when they are referring to something our government is involved in, such as Indian Territory.

When you went to school they taught you that George Armstrong Custer was a hero, do you still believe that? I'll bet you think Andrew Jackson was a great President too. He was no better than Hitler.

AS for your question, if you have a Metro Library Card I will be more than happy to refer you to some books that explain how the American Indian lived before the White Man destroyed their lives. They weren't a pack of heathens like Bonanza has taught you they were.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44554 Jul 8, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>And you weren't born in this time in history either. Lets see, you were born around 1942. They where still lynching Black People back then. I would guess that you aren't going to take responsibility for that either, so stop using I wasn't born then as a way of making your point, it's lame.
The commercial that I believe you are referring to states, "We are Chickasaw". Native Americans only use the term Indian when they are referring to something our government is involved in, such as Indian Territory.
When you went to school they taught you that George Armstrong Custer was a hero, do you still believe that? I'll bet you think Andrew Jackson was a great President too. He was no better than Hitler.
AS for your question, if you have a Metro Library Card I will be more than happy to refer you to some books that explain how the American Indian lived before the White Man destroyed their lives. They weren't a pack of heathens like Bonanza has taught you they were.
Kiddo if you want to live by the laws of the past then go for it. as for Custer no I never thought of him being a Hero. Yes I was born in 1942 and no I am not to blame for all the wrongs that have gone on in this history's past. I know what the INDIANS went though but they also were their own worse enemy. So go cry about the wrongs of the past to Your Founding Fathers.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44555 Jul 8, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>And you weren't born in this time in history either. Lets see, you were born around 1942. They where still lynching Black People back then. I would guess that you aren't going to take responsibility for that either, so stop using I wasn't born then as a way of making your point, it's lame.
The commercial that I believe you are referring to states, "We are Chickasaw". Native Americans only use the term Indian when they are referring to something our government is involved in, such as Indian Territory.
When you went to school they taught you that George Armstrong Custer was a hero, do you still believe that? I'll bet you think Andrew Jackson was a great President too. He was no better than Hitler.
AS for your question, if you have a Metro Library Card I will be more than happy to refer you to some books that explain how the American Indian lived before the White Man destroyed their lives. They weren't a pack of heathens like Bonanza has taught you they were.
No matter what history you bring up I still want stricter laws when it comes to people enter the US illegally! I want them enforced! The laws are present day laws and I have no desirer to go live in the past. Now if you do then go for it! The world is not the same as when the pilgrims came to this country. So what you are crying in your beer about goes way back past the Trail of Tears. It Is All History! I am looking at now and wondering about the future.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44556 Jul 8, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Kiddo if you want to live by the laws of the past then go for it. as for Custer no I never thought of him being a Hero. Yes I was born in 1942 and no I am not to blame for all the wrongs that have gone on in this history's past. I know what the INDIANS went though but they also were their own worse enemy. So go cry about the wrongs of the past to Your Founding Fathers.
No she said Indian Women!

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