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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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The democratic experiment in healthcare will ruin our healthcare in America then ObamaEconomics will be the final nail in gutting America as a free country.
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TAMARA, back to what I said, it is funny as hell to watch Obamacare self derail and why it will happen. These are some of the major flaws in the legislation that are so serious that both Democrats and Republicans will be forced to face whether they want to or not.

ObamaCare is not paid for in any realistic way.

ObamaCare promises what it cannot deliver. In order for the country as a whole to get more medical care, there must be more doctors and nurses and hospital personnel - something that ObamaCare does not create. It also needs more people paying yet there will be less paying because of waivers and subsidies.

ObamaCare mandates and subsidies will destabilize entire sectors of the economy. We could see entire firms dissolve and re-combine, just in response to health insurance subsidies, rather than based on economic considerations.

ObamaCare creates perverse incentives that threaten the quality of care. Within the newly created health insurance exchanges, insurers will profit from healthy enrollees and incur losses on the less healthy.

A weakly enforced mandate will undermine the health insurance marketplace. The fine for being uninsured will be small, relative to the cost of insurance. And there is not much the IRS can do to people who ignore the mandate, other than withhold refund checks.

A strongly enforced mandate would strain almost every family budget. If we are required to buy coverage and denied the right to scale back benefits, choose higher deductibles, etc., health insurance premiums will crowd out more and more of the average family's budget.

So, when the doctors stop seeing senior patients, when the hospitals leave the market (as one in seven will in the next eight years, according to the Medicare Actuary) and when the insurance plans cut back on the benefits they are providing, there will be enormous pressure on Congress to reverse all of this and that is when we will see the single-payer system surface again..

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-a...
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TAMARA, back to what I said, it is funny as hell to watch Obamacare self derail and why it will happen. These are some of the major flaws in the legislation that are so serious that both Democrats and Republicans will be forced to face whether they want to or not.
ObamaCare is not paid for in any realistic way.
ObamaCare promises what it cannot deliver. In order for the country as a whole to get more medical care, there must be more doctors and nurses and hospital personnel - something that ObamaCare does not create. It also needs more people paying yet there will be less paying because of waivers and subsidies.
ObamaCare mandates and subsidies will destabilize entire sectors of the economy. We could see entire firms dissolve and re-combine, just in response to health insurance subsidies, rather than based on economic considerations.
ObamaCare creates perverse incentives that threaten the quality of care. Within the newly created health insurance exchanges, insurers will profit from healthy enrollees and incur losses on the less healthy.
A weakly enforced mandate will undermine the health insurance marketplace. The fine for being uninsured will be small, relative to the cost of insurance. And there is not much the IRS can do to people who ignore the mandate, other than withhold refund checks.
A strongly enforced mandate would strain almost every family budget. If we are required to buy coverage and denied the right to scale back benefits, choose higher deductibles, etc., health insurance premiums will crowd out more and more of the average family's budget.
So, when the doctors stop seeing senior patients, when the hospitals leave the market (as one in seven will in the next eight years, according to the Medicare Actuary) and when the insurance plans cut back on the benefits they are providing, there will be enormous pressure on Congress to reverse all of this and that is when we will see the single-payer system surface again..
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-a...
In the meantime the elderly will suffer the most. Obama doesn't give a fig about the elderly and those about to retire. I have many close friends who work in several different areas of healthcare. I know of doctors closing clinics and I know what they say their opinions on the type of care to expect with ObamaCare...it ain't good!
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JAG wrote:
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In the meantime the elderly will suffer the most. Obama doesn't give a fig about the elderly and those about to retire. I have many close friends who work in several different areas of healthcare. I know of doctors closing clinics and I know what they say their opinions on the type of care to expect with ObamaCare...it ain't good!


Unfortunately, you are correct and the Democrat party and Obama bin Lenin have no use for the Constitution either.

Remember Obama bin Lenin made it clear he intended to fundamentally change America.
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A local hosipice businees shut down a few months back due to Obamacare. It was going to cost 30 thousand to up date their computers, plus alot of red tape to stay in businees. Dozens of jobs were lost. Welcome to OBAMANATION.
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Funny AsHell wrote:
TAMARA, back to what I said, it is funny as hell to watch Obamacare self derail and why it will happen. These are some of the major flaws in the legislation that are so serious that both Democrats and Republicans will be forced to face whether they want to or not.
ObamaCare is not paid for in any realistic way.
ObamaCare promises what it cannot deliver. In order for the country as a whole to get more medical care, there must be more doctors and nurses and hospital personnel - something that ObamaCare does not create. It also needs more people paying yet there will be less paying because of waivers and subsidies.
ObamaCare mandates and subsidies will destabilize entire sectors of the economy. We could see entire firms dissolve and re-combine, just in response to health insurance subsidies, rather than based on economic considerations.
ObamaCare creates perverse incentives that threaten the quality of care. Within the newly created health insurance exchanges, insurers will profit from healthy enrollees and incur losses on the less healthy.
A weakly enforced mandate will undermine the health insurance marketplace. The fine for being uninsured will be small, relative to the cost of insurance. And there is not much the IRS can do to people who ignore the mandate, other than withhold refund checks.
A strongly enforced mandate would strain almost every family budget. If we are required to buy coverage and denied the right to scale back benefits, choose higher deductibles, etc., health insurance premiums will crowd out more and more of the average family's budget.
So, when the doctors stop seeing senior patients, when the hospitals leave the market (as one in seven will in the next eight years, according to the Medicare Actuary) and when the insurance plans cut back on the benefits they are providing, there will be enormous pressure on Congress to reverse all of this and that is when we will see the single-payer system surface again..
http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-a...
I actually have not seen to many government programs that are ran efficently so why would anyone expect Obamacare to be ran any differently?
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Too bad that this country is made up of right wingnuts who talk with forked tongue.

Social security and medicare do not work either??

One from the dirty thirty's and the other from the dirty sixty's and both from the democratic party.

Obamacare as it is called is also from the demos.

What have the repugs done for the people beside hindering progress?
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@Jean, your a complete idiot if you think the current democratic party is representative of what the democratic party of the past represented. Your blind and a talking parrot.

Social Security isn't what it was designed to be because it's been opened up into a welfare program instead of what it was created for when it first started. Medicare intended to care for needy americans but now under the Obama Administration both Social Security and Medicare will cover more than American citizens it will cover non-americans who are migrant workers/families just like ObamaCare does.

So Sherlock you tell me if the programs will require more tax money to operate?

Besides, I think both political parties stink to high heaven for how they have drove this once great country into bankruptcy, it's a national shame!

But I'm sure you support it why not Obama is giving you free healthcare and cell phone and you get your EBT card. You don't know jack about the economy or running a business or paying taxes. But I bet you could tell me every character on a soap opera or what the latest gossip is in the National Enquirer.
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jean wrote:
Too bad that this country is made up of right wingnuts who talk with forked tongue.
Social security and medicare do not work either??
One from the dirty thirty's and the other from the dirty sixty's and both from the democratic party.
Obamacare as it is called is also from the demos.
What have the repugs done for the people beside hindering progress?
They might have if they had been used for what they were intended. But alot of extra things were added to who could put claims against both Social Security and Medicare. Also the government borrowed money from social security for other government profects and has never to this day paid the money back to social security!

When program whether it be private or government has more money going out than going in never works smoothly!
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Obama bin Lyin’s unspoken weapon to punish those that refuse to buy into Obamacare!

When Congress passed the health legislation plan that Obama bin Lyin sought, they radically changed health care in the United States, and audaciously imposed a strong-armed federal government onto perhaps the most personal of all segments of American life. The law counts on most of the people turning themselves in. If you do not have insurance and think you owe the tax, then you will be asked to check a box to that effect on your tax return. If you choose to ignore the mandate, you might also choose not to check the box but not telling truth on tax forms will have serious consequences. You’re still lying on your return and ObamaCare does not exempt people who do that.

8.01 STATUTORY LANGUAGE: 26 U.S.C.§ 7201

§7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax

Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.

http://www.justice.gov/tax/readingroom/2008ct...
Elohimsokie

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It appears they want our guns and money.
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Elohimsokie wrote:
It appears they want our guns and money.


Watch for the federal government to restrict doctors from practicing and even criminalize them, unless they accept all patients with insurance paying government-defined rates for medical tests and treatments. We know that ObamaCare and its Independent Payment Advisory Board, IPAB, will force prices for medical services lower and lower by direct design, so that by 2019, payments for Medicare will be even lower than Medicaid. While some doctors will swallow government-dictated low reimbursements, undoubtedly more and more physicians will refuse to see patients under such health plans since this has already happened to Medicaid and Medicare patients across the country. But this will not be tolerated by HHS Secretary Sebelius and Obama bin Lyin. The federal government will soon tie all medical licensure to accepting the new edicts, as has already been contemplated in Massachusetts by state legislators.
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Doctors are already closing clinics or no longer practicing certain types of medical care due to the low payment schedule it doesn't make sense for them to practice...like OB/medicare The malpractice insurance coverage is high but their reimbursement is low. The government requires them to accept more of these patients.
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Get Over It,the system is failblog
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Elohimsokie wrote:
It appears they want our guns and money.


It sure appears to be the case and it seems to have kicked into high gear now. Check this out.

ObamaCare is about to make your grocery bill jump even higher.
Obama bin Lyin's "New FDA Regulation" regarding labeling is the cause.

You can read the whole story here:
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/obamacare...
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It sure appears to be the case and it seems to have kicked into high gear now. Check this out.
ObamaCare is about to make your grocery bill jump even higher.
Obama bin Lyin's "New FDA Regulation" regarding labeling is the cause.
You can read the whole story here:
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/obamacare...
higher cost of living by increase in groceries,utilities and healthcare cost .... just who gets nailed by the increases the worse of all in our society?

The elderly!
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Funny AsHell wrote:
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It sure appears to be the case and it seems to have kicked into high gear now. Check this out.
ObamaCare is about to make your grocery bill jump even higher.
Obama bin Lyin's "New FDA Regulation" regarding labeling is the cause.
You can read the whole story here:
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/obamacare...
GMO's are what needs labeling, but the gov. won't allow it. GMO= geneticaly modified organism.
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higher cost of living by increase in groceries,utilities and healthcare cost .... just who gets nailed by the increases the worse of all in our society?
The elderly!


Exactly as well as the dumb-asses that voted for Obama bin Lyin.
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Soon we'll be a bananna republic,only with out the banannas. Welcome to the OBAMANATION.
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Elohimsokie wrote:
Soon we'll be a bananna republic,only with out the banannas. Welcome to the OBAMANATION.


That’s correct for those that stay here. My Grandfather (Packing Heat) says we are moving out of this country pretty soon to live until that Damn Purple Lip Kenyan is gone. By the way, Gramps says hello to all except the Obamanite libtards.

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