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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Elohimsokie

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WarForOil wrote:
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At first you longed for an disaster,
then you changed you mind. Now you fail
to understand simple insults directed at
your intelligence. You're hopeless.
Ask a friend who completed to 6th grade
to follow you around for the good of us all.
Can you read minds, I don't think so. Your the pot call'n the kettle black.
I laugh at insults hehehehe.
OMG

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#35256
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WarForOil wrote:
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Plainly you live in a world where you see this often
for you to have thought of it. No one in my world
has teeth missing. I wouldn't have imaged such a retort.
May you forever have to drink coffee no better than Starbucks.
Those who culture a false identity of sophisication and carry and attitude of superiority are always much less than they profess. So obviously you are not what you would like us to believe.
Elohimsokie

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Feb 2, 2013
 
WarForOil wrote:
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Plainly you live in a world where you see this often
for you to have thought of it. No one in my world
has teeth missing. I wouldn't have imaged such a retort.
May you forever have to drink coffee no better than Starbucks.
Most people have better sence to pay 4 or 5 times the price for cup of coffee ,hehehehe
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Millionaires are fleeing California. Tiger Woods already left and moved to Florida, Phil Mickelson is making plans to leave his home state of California because the taxes are to high. Tina Turner has decided to renounce her citizenship and move out the country. High taxes are to blame.

This is just the beginning....

It't hard to tax people who can easily move and set up house somewhere that is more hospitable. Check out the millionaires moving from France all due to high taxes.

All you haters of successful people voted for a free phone,free health care and more government programs.

Who are you going to tax when all the wealthy just walk away?
Rational Tulsans

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Conservative white people who hate the new Health Care law are just angry because Blacks and other minorities will have access to it, will live longer, and will keep voting the racist white conservatives out of office.
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Tis sad that the wealthy are so greedy as not to pay their fair share.
Elohimsokie

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Racist Tulsans wrote:
Conservative white people who hate the new Health Care law are just angry because Blacks and other minorities will have access to it, will live longer, and will keep voting the racist white conservatives out of office.
Every one has to buy it. If you don't you will not get a tax return. This ain't no free-be, hehehehe.
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Rational Tulsans wrote:
Conservative white people who hate the new Health Care law are just angry because Blacks and other minorities will have access to it, will live longer, and will keep voting the racist white conservatives out of office.
Go to work and pay for all that stuff yourself. Lazy Bum!
TAMARA

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Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text> Every one has to buy it. If you don't you will not get a tax return. This ain't no free-be, hehehehe.
There is a certain wage bracket that will get it paid for by the government and a certain wage bracket that will get help paying for healthcare by the government which is any person that does pay taxes. The the same people will stay on medicaid and the government plans to add more to the list. so not all will be paying their own healthcare bill!
Elohimsokie

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Racist Tulsans wrote:
Conservative white people who hate the new Health Care law are just angry because Blacks and other minorities will have access to it, will live longer, and will keep voting the racist white conservatives out of office.
Go ahead and keep voting the whites out of office, in a few years the U.S. will be worse than some third world African country.
May

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Geneerome wrote:
Tis sad that the wealthy are so greedy as not to pay their fair share.
True words
WarForOil

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Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>Most people have better sence to pay 4 or 5 times the price for cup of coffee ,hehehehe
People who can spell call pennies ' cents '.

You can't afford Starbucks so you denigrate those that can.
That's called ' Sour Grapes '.

Your Okie shows.
TAMARA

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WarForOil: Elohimsokie Was not referring to pennies 'cents' but was referring to sound judgement when h said "most people have better 'sense' to pay 4 or 5 times the priceof coffe, hehehehe"

Maybe you need to rethink who the denigate actually is.
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WarForOil wrote:
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People who can spell call pennies ' cents '.
You can't afford Starbucks so you denigrate those that can.
That's called ' Sour Grapes '.
Your Okie shows.
Dumbazz he was talking about "sense" as in most people have more sense than to pay 4 or 5 times for a cup of coffee.

Oh, forget it, when I get a chance I'll draw you a picture...out of crayon :-)
Elohimsokie

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TAMARA wrote:
WarForOil: Elohimsokie Was not referring to pennies 'cents' but was referring to sound judgement when h said "most people have better 'sense' to pay 4 or 5 times the priceof coffe, hehehehe"
Maybe you need to rethink who the denigate actually is.
Thanks Tamara, Oily does'nt have much learn'en, hehehehe.
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MR MOHAMED KABBA wrote:
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Elohimsokie

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MR MOHAMED KABBA wrote:
DEAR BUYER,
WE ARE REAL SELLER OF AU GOLD DUST AND BARS FROM MABOROKA COMMUNITY CHIEFDOM IN REPUBLIC OF SIERRA LEONE LOCATED IN WEST AFRICAN.
BELLOW IS THE SPECIFICATIONS OF OUR GOLD:
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QUALITY 22CARAT+
PURITY 92%+6
QUANTITY 25OKG AVAILABLE IN STOCK
ORIGIN SIERRA LEONE
OUR TERMS OF PAYMENT IS AFTER FINAL ASSAY REPORT IN BUYERS REFINERY.
IF BUYER IS NOT WILLING TO COME DOWN TO OUR LOCATION TO INSPECT OUR GOLD BEFORE EXPORT THEN BUYERS HAS TO DEPOSIT 10% PERCENT VALUE OF THE GOLD IN DEMAND IN OTHER TO ENABLE SELLER SETTLE GOVERNMENT TAXES.
IF IT IS AGREED THEN WE PUT EVERY THING INTO AGREEMENT OF (MOU) AND BUSINESS COMMENCE IMMEDIATELY.
WE ARE PAYING A COMMISSION OF 3% DEPENDING ON THE QUANTITY YOUR BUYER INTENDS TO BUY FROM US.
LOOKING FORWARDS HEARING FROM YOU SOONEST
BEST REGARD
MR. MOHAMED KABBA
EMIAL ID; absconsultancy.sl.net @gmail.com
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Can you deliver this to my front door, hehehehehe.
Funny AsHell

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This is funny as hell to watch as Obamacare begins to derail. Although the major provisions of the Affordable Care Act won’t take effect until next year, the first cars are already beginning to derail in this legislative train wreck. Funnier is Unions realize what many employers have seen coming since the law passed: The legislation will drive up the cost of health insurance, rather than drive it down. Although these idiots enthusiastically backed the Affordable Care Act at the time, the reality of rising costs has driven them to beg the Obama administration for government subsidies to union workers. The Union leaders point out that for workers, losing union-negotiated health insurance would undermine one of the central points of joining a union in the first place. Now these idiots want the rest of us to subsidize this for them.

Meanwhile, the Treasury has issued regulations applying the Affordable Care Act’s rules regarding workplace-provided insurance to only the cost of covering the employee’s health care, not to the cost of covering other family members. This would only require employers to act on information they actually know, which is much more practical, but which means workers’ children and family members, may be left without an option they can afford. The result as the law’s advocates are finally realizing, is that families that do not qualify for programs like Medicaid may remain uncovered. So much for universal health coverage.

These problems are only the beginning. Since the law requires insurers to accept practically all applicants regardless of their health, sick people will always seek coverage, while healthy ones will often opt to do without the expense. This phenomenon of “adverse selection,” as actuaries call it, will simply drive insurance premiums still higher, leading even more people to choose to go without coverage and more employers to abandon it, even if doing so triggers penalties. The law’s penalties for individuals who choose to go without coverage are effectively toothless. For many people it will just make good economic sense to risk the penalty.

Employers, like individuals, will face penalties under the new law for failing to provide coverage with more than 50 full-time employees. Employers are limiting hiring or reducing employees’ hours to avoid the mandate. And even when employers decide to shoulder ever-rising insurance costs, those same employers will have less money for other forms of compensation. It’s a trade-off many employees are beginning to notice. Many Americans believe health insurance is something they get free. But employers pay lower wages because they provide insurance.

The former director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter R. Orszag, told Congress the same thing when it required employers to report insurance costs on employees’ W-2 forms.“The economic evidence is overwhelming, that when your firm pays for your health insurance, you pay through reduced take home pay. As Americans prepare for the full force of the Affordable Care Act to take effect next year, many are only now beginning to realize how profoundly wrong the “affordable” part of the name will prove. Wishful thinking was enough to get the law passed in 2010, but it won’t change the reality when the law takes effect in 2014.
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Funny AsHell wrote:
This is funny as hell to watch as Obamacare begins to derail. Although the major provisions of the Affordable Care Act won’t take effect until next year, the first cars are already beginning to derail in this legislative train wreck. Funnier is Unions realize what many employers have seen coming since the law passed: The legislation will drive up the cost of health insurance, rather than drive it down. Although these idiots enthusiastically backed the Affordable Care Act at the time, the reality of rising costs has driven them to beg the Obama administration for government subsidies to union workers. The Union leaders point out that for workers, losing union-negotiated health insurance would undermine one of the central points of joining a union in the first place. Now these idiots want the rest of us to subsidize this for them.
Meanwhile, the Treasury has issued regulations applying the Affordable Care Act’s rules regarding workplace-provided insurance to only the cost of covering the employee’s health care, not to the cost of covering other family members. This would only require employers to act on information they actually know, which is much more practical, but which means workers’ children and family members, may be left without an option they can afford. The result as the law’s advocates are finally realizing, is that families that do not qualify for programs like Medicaid may remain uncovered. So much for universal health coverage.
These problems are only the beginning. Since the law requires insurers to accept practically all applicants regardless of their health, sick people will always seek coverage, while healthy ones will often opt to do without the expense. This phenomenon of “adverse selection,” as actuaries call it, will simply drive insurance premiums still higher, leading even more people to choose to go without coverage and more employers to abandon it, even if doing so triggers penalties. The law’s penalties for individuals who choose to go without coverage are effectively toothless. For many people it will just make good economic sense to risk the penalty.
Employers, like individuals, will face penalties under the new law for failing to provide coverage with more than 50 full-time employees. Employers are limiting hiring or reducing employees’ hours to avoid the mandate. And even when employers decide to shoulder ever-rising insurance costs, those same employers will have less money for other forms of compensation. It’s a trade-off many employees are beginning to notice. Many Americans believe health insurance is something they get free. But employers pay lower wages because they provide insurance.
The former director of the Congressional Budget Office, Peter R. Orszag, told Congress the same thing when it required employers to report insurance costs on employees’ W-2 forms.“The economic evidence is overwhelming, that when your firm pays for your health insurance, you pay through reduced take home pay. As Americans prepare for the full force of the Affordable Care Act to take effect next year, many are only now beginning to realize how profoundly wrong the “affordable” part of the name will prove. Wishful thinking was enough to get the law passed in 2010, but it won’t change the reality when the law takes effect in 2014.
Free healthcare coverage is only going to apply if a person or a family falls into a certain wage bracket like just making a little more that keeps them out of medicaid. They will be more people added to medicaid. And there will be the wage bracket just above the bracket that the government will pay for that will get a percent of payment toward paying for healthcare. So what does it mean when people are on medicaid and also get help paying for healthcare by the government? So we will be buying healthcare coverage for alot of people plus dealing with the higher cost of healthcare.
Funny AsHell

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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Free healthcare coverage is only going to apply if a person or a family falls into a certain wage bracket like just making a little more that keeps them out of medicaid. They will be more people added to medicaid. And there will be the wage bracket just above the bracket that the government will pay for that will get a percent of payment toward paying for healthcare. So what does it mean when people are on medicaid and also get help paying for healthcare by the government? So we will be buying healthcare coverage for alot of people plus dealing with the higher cost of healthcare.


As any of us with common sense know, there is nothing free and someone has to pay. As more and more wealthy people move their money out of reach of the taxman, guess who will pay? If you say those that can least afford it, you are correct.

And yes, more Americans will be shifted to Medicaid, even though majority of states will reject its expansion. Here is the problem with that. The significant implementation obstacles HHS faces are now HHS will have to step in to develop and run the Exchanges and the work is unprecedented. HHS did not plan on having to do this work and has no staff resources for the work. The Exchange rules are not even complete and the time to implementation is already very short not to mention the legislation does not authorize funds for HHS to do the work and no way to get the funds passed in congress even though the legislation requires that all Exchanges be “self-supporting” in 2014, meaning yet another tax assessment is coming at us.

What it means is: Massive amounts of taxpayer money will be funneled into subsidizing health insurance, while medical care access will diminish with the reductions in payments to doctors and hospitals.

Again, you are correct that the taxpayer will be paying for those that do not pay because nothing is ever free, someone has to pay. There is no secret about the ultimate goal of Obama and Democrats. They know that ultimately Obamacare will fail by design and Democrats will revive their already stated original goal of forging a single payer, wholly government-controlled system. We know that President Obama wants it. In June 2003, Obama said “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program … a single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see.” And we know that Senator Max Baucus admitted in February 2009 that “there may come a time when we can push for single-payer. At this time, it’s not going to get to first base in Congress,” a sentiment echoed by then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who said “For 30 years I have supported a single payer plan, but our next best choice is to support an exchange and a public option.”

The bottom line is this, I think it’s more likely this spruce goose will not get very far out of the deep water it’s in right now. We shall see after the 2014 mid-term elections.

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