The Hypocritical Voice of the Martyrs VOM

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The Truth the Whole Truth

Miami, OK

#1 Sep 3, 2012
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?

http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...

This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
Real Conservative

Euless, TX

#2 Sep 7, 2012
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?

http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...

This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!
The Truth the Whole Truth

Tahlequah, OK

#3 Sep 7, 2012
Lighthouse Trails Research is a respected Christian publication which expressed concern quite sometime ago about some of the editorials coming from VOM that pointed out VOM's disturbing tendency to promote ecumenism as well as outright false teachings not in accord with sound scriptural teaching.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/...

"In the November 2010 Voice of the Martyrs magazine, there is a feature “Christian Martyrs” article on 17th century mystic, Madame Jeanne Guyon. Lighthouse Trails contacted Voice of the Martyrs last week to discuss their article and to remind them that they had brought some attention to themselves in 2009 when they promoted emerging futurist Erwin McManus’ book, The Barbarian Way, and Eugene Peterson’s The Message paraphrase.

Lighthouse Trails did not write an article over those incidents but contacted them and offered to send them free copies of A Time of Departing and Faith Undone. We sent the two books but never heard back as to whether VOM president Tom White or other VOM officials read the books."

Readers should be reminded that calling out false teachings is not a matter of "casting stones". No ministry receiving support from the Christian community is above public scrutiny, and VOM is no exception to that rule.

Also, as I said in another post on this forum, the churches old policy of keeping secrets behind closed doors and sweeping things under the carpet as has been done in the past is no longer being tolerated by Christians. Child molestation is a not just a moral failure, it's a crime. It's clearly not conducive to the health of the Body of Christ to overlook these issues.
nobody important

Rochester, MI

#4 Sep 17, 2012
"I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!"
Be careful of getting your theology from bumper stickers and the back of christian t-shirts dear soul. We are commanded to judge those who call themselves christians. 1 Corinthians 5.

“Spiritual Abuse is Cruel”

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#5 Sep 25, 2012
nobody important wrote:
"I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!"
Be careful of getting your theology from bumper stickers and the back of christian t-shirts dear soul. We are commanded to judge those who call themselves christians. 1 Corinthians 5.
When this story first broke about the investigation into Tom White's molestation of the 10 yr old girl, and his tragic suicide, I began trying to look deeper into the matter trying to see if I could try to grasp and get an understanding of what had happened,(if here can be any such understanding), since VOM was being very closed mouthed about the situation.

When I began a series of posts that seemed to go against the flow of what was being posted on the Internet and the accolades and homage being paid to Tom White, I was more than a little sickened when I began to receive nasty, even threatening comments to my blog for saying anything negative about their icon.

I just want to say this goes completely against my grain because I have seen cover ups in churches, and get almost daily reports of some wrong doing in the church. If something is not right, I will not try to make black...white, in my blog posts.

The church and those organizations that conduct ministries with the name of Jesus Christ need to be transparent and open to scrutiny, as other Christian posters have said as well.

And those who support them have every right to expect them to lead by example. The church is NOT to operate like Los Vegas, i.e. "what happens in the church, stays in the church".

That's not what the Lord intended. The scriptures say to purge out the leaven, not make excuses for it, put up with it, and most of all, to not to make idols out of men in leadership, who are only supposed to be your servants.

http://spiritualabusesanctuary.wordpress.com/...
CharlotteS

Claremore, OK

#6 Sep 25, 2012
SpiritualAbuseSanctuary wrote:
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When this story first broke about the investigation into Tom White's molestation of the 10 yr old girl, and his tragic suicide, I began trying to look deeper into the matter trying to see if I could try to grasp and get an understanding of what had happened,(if here can be any such understanding), since VOM was being very closed mouthed about the situation.
When I began a series of posts that seemed to go against the flow of what was being posted on the Internet and the accolades and homage being paid to Tom White, I was more than a little sickened when I began to receive nasty, even threatening comments to my blog for saying anything negative about their icon.
I just want to say this goes completely against my grain because I have seen cover ups in churches, and get almost daily reports of some wrong doing in the church. If something is not right, I will not try to make black...white, in my blog posts.
The church and those organizations that conduct ministries with the name of Jesus Christ need to be transparent and open to scrutiny, as other Christian posters have said as well.
And those who support them have every right to expect them to lead by example. The church is NOT to operate like Los Vegas, i.e. "what happens in the church, stays in the church".
That's not what the Lord intended. The scriptures say to purge out the leaven, not make excuses for it, put up with it, and most of all, to not to make idols out of men in leadership, who are only supposed to be your servants.
http://spiritualabusesanctuary.wordpress.com/...
You have stated a very true thing. It's too bad that we have more than one church in the Bartlesville area that is being used by someone who plans to take advantage of the flock in some way. Everyone needs to keep their church leaders ( whatever their title is ) under a close watch. It does not matter what denomination or none denomination it is.
Anna Asher

Warrensburg, MO

#9 Jul 17, 2013
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Lighthouse Trails Research is a respected Christian publication which expressed concern quite sometime ago about some of the editorials coming from VOM that pointed out VOM's disturbing tendency to promote ecumenism as well as outright false teachings not in accord with sound scriptural teaching.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/...
"In the November 2010 Voice of the Martyrs magazine, there is a feature “Christian Martyrs” article on 17th century mystic, Madame Jeanne Guyon. Lighthouse Trails contacted Voice of the Martyrs last week to discuss their article and to remind them that they had brought some attention to themselves in 2009 when they promoted emerging futurist Erwin McManus’ book, The Barbarian Way, and Eugene Peterson’s The Message paraphrase.
Lighthouse Trails did not write an article over those incidents but contacted them and offered to send them free copies of A Time of Departing and Faith Undone. We sent the two books but never heard back as to whether VOM president Tom White or other VOM officials read the books."
Readers should be reminded that calling out false teachings is not a matter of "casting stones". No ministry receiving support from the Christian community is above public scrutiny, and VOM is no exception to that rule.
Also, as I said in another post on this forum, the churches old policy of keeping secrets behind closed doors and sweeping things under the carpet as has been done in the past is no longer being tolerated by Christians. Child molestation is a not just a moral failure, it's a crime. It's clearly not conducive to the health of the Body of Christ to overlook these issues.
then you better deny baptists and Methodists their Christianity as well for the fault of having child molestinf sinners amongst them. Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort.
Anna Asher

Warrensburg, MO

#10 Jul 17, 2013
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?
http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...
This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
So you no longer support persecuted Christians? Suddenly everything about VOM you so readily supported becomes invalid ? If your uncle were convicted of molesting children, should I guard my kids from you ?
Lots of Luck With That

Colorado Springs, CO

#11 Jul 26, 2013
Anna Asher wrote:
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So you no longer support persecuted Christians? Suddenly everything about VOM you so readily supported becomes invalid ? If your uncle were convicted of molesting children, should I guard my kids from you ?
These are moot questions, and put words in the posters mouth which I don't believe were the posters intention. The fact is that criminal or dubious organizations should not be supported no matter what shingle they hang out proclaiming their good works.
Lots of Luck With That

Colorado Springs, CO

#12 Jul 26, 2013
Anna Asher wrote:
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then you better deny baptists and Methodists their Christianity as well for the fault of having child molestinf sinners amongst them. Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort.
That is a matter of opinion and not fact that Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort. The pot calling the kettle black does not resolve the root problems of so called Christian "churches" either since the entire structure from top to bottom is apostate and corrupt, bar none. If you think otherwise, you have been deceived. Here's why. These are facts that are true and beyond dispute. http://www.wickedshepherds.com/ChapterIII.htm...

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