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The Hypocritical Voice of the Martyrs VOM

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The Truth the Whole Truth

Tulsa, OK

#1 Sep 3, 2012
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?

http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...

This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
Real Conservative

United States

#2 Sep 7, 2012
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?

http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...

This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!
The Truth the Whole Truth

United States

#3 Sep 7, 2012
Lighthouse Trails Research is a respected Christian publication which expressed concern quite sometime ago about some of the editorials coming from VOM that pointed out VOM's disturbing tendency to promote ecumenism as well as outright false teachings not in accord with sound scriptural teaching.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/...

"In the November 2010 Voice of the Martyrs magazine, there is a feature “Christian Martyrs” article on 17th century mystic, Madame Jeanne Guyon. Lighthouse Trails contacted Voice of the Martyrs last week to discuss their article and to remind them that they had brought some attention to themselves in 2009 when they promoted emerging futurist Erwin McManus’ book, The Barbarian Way, and Eugene Peterson’s The Message paraphrase.

Lighthouse Trails did not write an article over those incidents but contacted them and offered to send them free copies of A Time of Departing and Faith Undone. We sent the two books but never heard back as to whether VOM president Tom White or other VOM officials read the books."

Readers should be reminded that calling out false teachings is not a matter of "casting stones". No ministry receiving support from the Christian community is above public scrutiny, and VOM is no exception to that rule.

Also, as I said in another post on this forum, the churches old policy of keeping secrets behind closed doors and sweeping things under the carpet as has been done in the past is no longer being tolerated by Christians. Child molestation is a not just a moral failure, it's a crime. It's clearly not conducive to the health of the Body of Christ to overlook these issues.
nobody important

Ann Arbor, MI

#4 Sep 17, 2012
"I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!"
Be careful of getting your theology from bumper stickers and the back of christian t-shirts dear soul. We are commanded to judge those who call themselves christians. 1 Corinthians 5.

“Spiritual Abuse is Cruel”

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#5 Sep 25, 2012
nobody important wrote:
"I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!"
Be careful of getting your theology from bumper stickers and the back of christian t-shirts dear soul. We are commanded to judge those who call themselves christians. 1 Corinthians 5.
When this story first broke about the investigation into Tom White's molestation of the 10 yr old girl, and his tragic suicide, I began trying to look deeper into the matter trying to see if I could try to grasp and get an understanding of what had happened,(if here can be any such understanding), since VOM was being very closed mouthed about the situation.

When I began a series of posts that seemed to go against the flow of what was being posted on the Internet and the accolades and homage being paid to Tom White, I was more than a little sickened when I began to receive nasty, even threatening comments to my blog for saying anything negative about their icon.

I just want to say this goes completely against my grain because I have seen cover ups in churches, and get almost daily reports of some wrong doing in the church. If something is not right, I will not try to make black...white, in my blog posts.

The church and those organizations that conduct ministries with the name of Jesus Christ need to be transparent and open to scrutiny, as other Christian posters have said as well.

And those who support them have every right to expect them to lead by example. The church is NOT to operate like Los Vegas, i.e. "what happens in the church, stays in the church".

That's not what the Lord intended. The scriptures say to purge out the leaven, not make excuses for it, put up with it, and most of all, to not to make idols out of men in leadership, who are only supposed to be your servants.

http://spiritualabusesanctuary.wordpress.com/...
CharlotteS

Claremore, OK

#6 Sep 25, 2012
SpiritualAbuseSanctuary wrote:
<quoted text>
When this story first broke about the investigation into Tom White's molestation of the 10 yr old girl, and his tragic suicide, I began trying to look deeper into the matter trying to see if I could try to grasp and get an understanding of what had happened,(if here can be any such understanding), since VOM was being very closed mouthed about the situation.
When I began a series of posts that seemed to go against the flow of what was being posted on the Internet and the accolades and homage being paid to Tom White, I was more than a little sickened when I began to receive nasty, even threatening comments to my blog for saying anything negative about their icon.
I just want to say this goes completely against my grain because I have seen cover ups in churches, and get almost daily reports of some wrong doing in the church. If something is not right, I will not try to make black...white, in my blog posts.
The church and those organizations that conduct ministries with the name of Jesus Christ need to be transparent and open to scrutiny, as other Christian posters have said as well.
And those who support them have every right to expect them to lead by example. The church is NOT to operate like Los Vegas, i.e. "what happens in the church, stays in the church".
That's not what the Lord intended. The scriptures say to purge out the leaven, not make excuses for it, put up with it, and most of all, to not to make idols out of men in leadership, who are only supposed to be your servants.
http://spiritualabusesanctuary.wordpress.com/...
You have stated a very true thing. It's too bad that we have more than one church in the Bartlesville area that is being used by someone who plans to take advantage of the flock in some way. Everyone needs to keep their church leaders ( whatever their title is ) under a close watch. It does not matter what denomination or none denomination it is.
Anna Asher

Jefferson City, MO

#9 Jul 17, 2013
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Lighthouse Trails Research is a respected Christian publication which expressed concern quite sometime ago about some of the editorials coming from VOM that pointed out VOM's disturbing tendency to promote ecumenism as well as outright false teachings not in accord with sound scriptural teaching.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/...
"In the November 2010 Voice of the Martyrs magazine, there is a feature “Christian Martyrs” article on 17th century mystic, Madame Jeanne Guyon. Lighthouse Trails contacted Voice of the Martyrs last week to discuss their article and to remind them that they had brought some attention to themselves in 2009 when they promoted emerging futurist Erwin McManus’ book, The Barbarian Way, and Eugene Peterson’s The Message paraphrase.
Lighthouse Trails did not write an article over those incidents but contacted them and offered to send them free copies of A Time of Departing and Faith Undone. We sent the two books but never heard back as to whether VOM president Tom White or other VOM officials read the books."
Readers should be reminded that calling out false teachings is not a matter of "casting stones". No ministry receiving support from the Christian community is above public scrutiny, and VOM is no exception to that rule.
Also, as I said in another post on this forum, the churches old policy of keeping secrets behind closed doors and sweeping things under the carpet as has been done in the past is no longer being tolerated by Christians. Child molestation is a not just a moral failure, it's a crime. It's clearly not conducive to the health of the Body of Christ to overlook these issues.
then you better deny baptists and Methodists their Christianity as well for the fault of having child molestinf sinners amongst them. Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort.
Anna Asher

Jefferson City, MO

#10 Jul 17, 2013
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Did you know that Voice of the Martyrs,(VOM) endorses Catholicism?
http://fleebabylon.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/t...
This was a shock to me after all these years of supporting them. I will not be so careless with my financial support in the future.
So you no longer support persecuted Christians? Suddenly everything about VOM you so readily supported becomes invalid ? If your uncle were convicted of molesting children, should I guard my kids from you ?
Lots of Luck With That

Colorado Springs, CO

#11 Jul 26, 2013
Anna Asher wrote:
<quoted text>
So you no longer support persecuted Christians? Suddenly everything about VOM you so readily supported becomes invalid ? If your uncle were convicted of molesting children, should I guard my kids from you ?
These are moot questions, and put words in the posters mouth which I don't believe were the posters intention. The fact is that criminal or dubious organizations should not be supported no matter what shingle they hang out proclaiming their good works.
Lots of Luck With That

Colorado Springs, CO

#12 Jul 26, 2013
Anna Asher wrote:
<quoted text>
then you better deny baptists and Methodists their Christianity as well for the fault of having child molestinf sinners amongst them. Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort.
That is a matter of opinion and not fact that Catholic Christians do not overlook sin of any sort. The pot calling the kettle black does not resolve the root problems of so called Christian "churches" either since the entire structure from top to bottom is apostate and corrupt, bar none. If you think otherwise, you have been deceived. Here's why. These are facts that are true and beyond dispute. http://www.wickedshepherds.com/ChapterIII.htm...
Jarcm

Boynton Beach, FL

#13 Jan 7, 2016
The Truth the Whole Truth wrote:
Lighthouse Trails Research is a respected Christian publication which expressed concern quite sometime ago about some of the editorials coming from VOM that pointed out VOM's disturbing tendency to promote ecumenism as well as outright false teachings not in accord with sound scriptural teaching.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/...
"In the November 2010 Voice of the Martyrs magazine, there is a feature “Christian Martyrs” article on 17th century mystic, Madame Jeanne Guyon. Lighthouse Trails contacted Voice of the Martyrs last week to discuss their article and to remind them that they had brought some attention to themselves in 2009 when they promoted emerging futurist Erwin McManus’ book, The Barbarian Way, and Eugene Peterson’s The Message paraphrase.
Lighthouse Trails did not write an article over those incidents but contacted them and offered to send them free copies of A Time of Departing and Faith Undone. We sent the two books but never heard back as to whether VOM president Tom White or other VOM officials read the books."
Readers should be reminded that calling out false teachings is not a matter of "casting stones". No ministry receiving support from the Christian community is above public scrutiny, and VOM is no exception to that rule.
Also, as I said in another post on this forum, the churches old policy of keeping secrets behind closed doors and sweeping things under the carpet as has been done in the past is no longer being tolerated by Christians. Child molestation is a not just a moral failure, it's a crime. It's clearly not conducive to the health of the Body of Christ to overlook these issues.
If all you say is true then they need to be addressed.Perhaps with new leadership things will change.If not some CHRISTIAN organization must step in and pick up their work.They do keep anyone that wants to know about persecution of believers in Jesus Christ informed of the situations that what happening around the globe.
ekbest

Burnsville, MN

#14 Aug 30, 2016
I had this erased as I went to sign in so I will start over.
In the beginning I had a lot of confidence in VOM which I do not now. I used to receive their mailings, and once they sent prayer cards for two young people who had suffered violent abuse for going to church and their faith: I prayed for them, taped them to my computer etc. Then, on a whim, I looked up one, a young woman who had her breasts cut off by a machete: the story was over 15 years old: I still pray for and have sympathy for the victim even a whole lifetime, but not for VOM who used it just to make money via sympathy.
Their stories of the suffering apparently do not tender their hearts too much: their budget is listed as close to 50 million a year, but very very little goes to any suffering Christian or their family. Barnabas aid gives a healthy percent to real care, but not VOM: they claim that is not their main purpose, but I am sure, that like myself most assume that is where their hard earned money is going.
Also, they do not make public that they are a small ministry in a very old run down building in Bartlesville OK which would not bother me at all if they did not take in so much, or if they were doing it to give more on the field but that does not appear to be the case. When we sacrifice our money to aid our brothers and sisters in Christ we expect it to go to them, and I would look askance at any ministry where less than half goes where I think.
Another point: many of their leaders of Bob Jones type fundamentalists: I am a Gospel believing Christian, but I do not think its right to be primarily one thing and represent your ministry as all things to all people: Lutherans,Methodists and others who may not share my views, have a right to make an informed choice. This leads to another point:
VOM decides who is and who is not a Christian regardless of stated faith: if someone is laying down their life for their faith and suffering, I believe we can most of the time take their word for it: even if wrong, we wouldn't be as wrong as deciding whether they meet fundamentalist Baptist standards: they would have left out Corrie Ten Boom, C.S. Lewis etc! Let them be honest about who they are.
As a 62 year old Christian mom, a former university professor, who has stayed daily in the word, who homeschooled her children and directs a small for-free ministry, I have suffered as much as any in the US for my careful stand: we are currently even dealing with assault to do with my beliefs, but VOM doesn't share my opinion: I don't care, in one way, I never went to them for help, but goodness: they sit in air conditioned offices, with a 50 million dollar a year budget, and they want to fuss about lace collars and quilted bible covers proverbially: I've actually cussed a time or two, lost my temper and all kinds of uncomely things, with some of the stuff that has happened: I thought it was belief in Christ that mattered! All that aside, I find them to be self serving and in my personal opinion religious and corrupt with beautiful artwork and pamphlets. MAKE SURE OF WHERE YOUR CHRISTIAN DOLLARS GO!!! You can sometimes aid by contacting missionaries on the field of interest.

“Spiritual Abuse is Cruel”

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#15 Oct 7, 2016
ekbest wrote:
I had this erased as I went to sign in so I will start over.
In the beginning I had a lot of confidence in VOM which I do not now. I used to receive their mailings, and once they sent prayer cards for two young people who had suffered violent abuse for going to church and their faith: I prayed for them, taped them to my computer etc. Then, on a whim, I looked up one, a young woman who had her breasts cut off by a machete: the story was over 15 years old: I still pray for and have sympathy for the victim even a whole lifetime, but not for VOM who used it just to make money via sympathy.
Their stories of the suffering apparently do not tender their hearts too much: their budget is listed as close to 50 million a year, but very very little goes to any suffering Christian or their family. Barnabas aid gives a healthy percent to real care, but not VOM: they claim that is not their main purpose, but I am sure, that like myself most assume that is where their hard earned money is going.
Also, they do not make public that they are a small ministry in a very old run down building in Bartlesville OK which would not bother me at all if they did not take in so much, or if they were doing it to give more on the field but that does not appear to be the case. When we sacrifice our money to aid our brothers and sisters in Christ we expect it to go to them, and I would look askance at any ministry where less than half goes where I think.
Another point: many of their leaders of Bob Jones type fundamentalists: I am a Gospel believing Christian, but I do not think its right to be primarily one thing and represent your ministry as all things to all people: Lutherans,Methodists and others who may not share my views, have a right to make an informed choice. This leads to another point:
VOM decides who is and who is not a Christian regardless of stated faith: if someone is laying down their life for their faith and suffering, I believe we can most of the time take their word for it: even if wrong, we wouldn't be as wrong as deciding whether they meet fundamentalist Baptist standards: they would have left out Corrie Ten Boom, C.S. Lewis etc! Let them be honest about who they are.
As a 62 year old Christian mom, a former university professor, who has stayed daily in the word, who homeschooled her children and directs a small for-free ministry, I have suffered as much as any in the US for my careful stand: we are currently even dealing with assault to do with my beliefs, but VOM doesn't share my opinion: I don't care, in one way, I never went to them for help, but goodness: they sit in air conditioned offices, with a 50 million dollar a year budget, and they want to fuss about lace collars and quilted bible covers proverbially: I've actually cussed a time or two, lost my temper and all kinds of uncomely things, with some of the stuff that has happened: I thought it was belief in Christ that mattered! All that aside, I find them to be self serving and in my personal opinion religious and corrupt with beautiful artwork and pamphlets. MAKE SURE OF WHERE YOUR CHRISTIAN DOLLARS GO!!! You can sometimes aid by contacting missionaries on the field of interest.
Heavens Family doesn't operate like that. I asked them several months ago where their US Headquarters were. The response I got was that THEY DON'T HAVE ONE! They said this was so expenses could go to actually serving the needs of those they minister to. What a vast distinction between them and the bloated "ministry" expenses of VOM.

http://www.heavensfamily.org/a-nail-into-his-...
Kimtone57

Tulsa, OK

#16 Dec 15, 2016
Real Conservative wrote:
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I guess since you are throwing stones you are without sin. Thanks for the true Christian enlightenment!
Good since The Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself! Awesome!

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