In The Arctic Race, The U.S. Lags Behind

In The Arctic Race, The U.S. Lags Behind

There are 132 comments on the www.npr.org story from Aug 19, 2011, titled In The Arctic Race, The U.S. Lags Behind. In it, www.npr.org reports that:

Seattle is the home of the U.S. Coast Guard's entire fleet of polar-class icebreakers. Both of them.

Capt. George Pellissier commands both the Polar Sea and the Polar Star. He has spent much of his career on these ships, which were built in Seattle in the 1970s.

He takes pride in the fact that these "polars," as they're called, are still among the most capable icebreakers out there — not counting the Russians' big nuclear-powered icebreakers. But Pellissier admits that if an ice-breaking emergency broke out, America wouldn't have much to offer because, right now, neither polar icebreaker is functional.

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hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#43 Aug 29, 2011
JimBob wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep better but then you couldn't even afford the boat trip to find out on your meager salaries.
Now back to Putin's Russian state media propaganda channel.
what the connection of my salary (about which you have no idea) to the topic discuseed about americans from Alaska visiting Russia if tonnel is build?- Have I hurt some of your selfesteem, Kitchy-Pitchy, or what?...Yep-Yep...Pep-Pep
JimBob

Kitchener, Canada

#44 Aug 29, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>what the connection of my salary (about which you have no idea) to the topic discuseed about americans from Alaska visiting Russia if tonnel is build?- Have I hurt some of your selfesteem, Kitchy-Pitchy, or what?...Yep-Yep...Pep-Pep
Maybe yours not me i live like a king but thanks for the concern anyway.
Point is still the same when people travel to Europe Russia is rarely on the list for good reason except maybe to buy a wife or something. lol
MrOwl

Winston Salem, NC

#45 Aug 29, 2011
I hope when you talk about seeing films of America, you are not meaning Hollywood films. They are definitely not America. In your thinking, Hmmm, Petersburg and Moscow are Russia, correct? If so, then Hollywood, New York, DC and Disneyworld is America to you. Anyone who thinks that is ignorant. Volgograd, Rostov, Orenburg, Vologda, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Kirov, Rybinsk, Voronezh, Kamyshin, Izhevsk, Morshansk, these are not Russian towns and cities? Vancouver and Toronto is Canada. Not Kitchener, Saskatoon, Sydney, Charlottetown nor Dawson creek. I think you are what you call a propagandist which I call a Bureau of Disinformation.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#46 Aug 29, 2011
JimBob wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe yours not me i live like a king but thanks for the concern anyway.
Point is still the same when people travel to Europe Russia is rarely on the list for good reason except maybe to buy a wife or something. lol
Mine? I never boasted about my salary as you do, so how can it be mine?So you think that Russian tourists go more to Canada or USA then to Europe, eh?- The topic discussed was why more americans from Alaska (or,lets say, west coast) would be more interested to visit Russia in case there was a tonnel in comparison to Russians from Russia's Far East to visit USA, you interfered into discussion with irrelevant info about popularity of Europe among tourists and when given example that people want various things in life (on example that some even prefer Kitchener to London), so after been pushed with your nose into your piss,you start to to play a king here - I don't give a hoot wether you are a king or a bum- why should I read about that?- If you have any arguments on the topic - you are welcome,- if you come here to say people about your wages - then f.ck off...

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#47 Aug 29, 2011
MrOwl wrote:
Before I can answer questions, I need to know from the questioner/s what it is he/she is questioning. MrOwl is the ringleader! Ringleader of what? Ringleader of the coup Not Born yesterday mentioned? Coup where and against whom? Why wasn't I washed out to sea? What makes you think I live in NC? My ISP? If I did live where my ISP originates, Greensboro is far inland from the coast. North Carolina is a state long in shape. From Nags Head on the coast to Angelico Gap, it is close to 600 miles. The hurricane on the coast Only affected areas 200 miles from the coast, leaving 400 miles unaffected, which Greensboro was in the unaffected part. How would a storm in Murmansk affect Volgograd? This is not even accounting for the fact I might not live at Greensboro or even in the state of North Carolina. I might not even live in the US. Who knows? Only the nose knows. Do you mean the hurricane is a hoax? Oh I get it. Youse guys are playing cat and mouse game with me. Youse cats think I'm a mouse. To my statement, it's seems Cassandra is in the same boat as Al Gore, you asked, I am? YES, YOU AM!!!
You're being very evasive, Mr Owl.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#48 Aug 29, 2011
MrOwl wrote:
I hope when you talk about seeing films of America, you are not meaning Hollywood films. They are definitely not America. In your thinking, Hmmm, Petersburg and Moscow are Russia, correct? If so, then Hollywood, New York, DC and Disneyworld is America to you. Anyone who thinks that is ignorant. Volgograd, Rostov, Orenburg, Vologda, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Kirov, Rybinsk, Voronezh, Kamyshin, Izhevsk, Morshansk, these are not Russian towns and cities? Vancouver and Toronto is Canada. Not Kitchener, Saskatoon, Sydney, Charlottetown nor Dawson creek. I think you are what you call a propagandist which I call a Bureau of Disinformation.
whatever I am or am not, but you are just an idiot as you try to refute my point with arguments that in fact prove my point

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#49 Aug 29, 2011
MrOwl wrote:
Cassandra, your take on the afterthought is very interesting. What is your reason for advocating more Americans would be interested in traveling to see Russia and Europe than Russians going to see Alaska.
Alaska? LOL think about it.
MrOwl wrote:
The Russians could visit Alaska, Canada, the US and Mexico, the entire NAFTA region.
Do you really think they want to visit Mexico?
MrOwl wrote:
By the time this is possible, it will be like the Lithuanian can travel to any EU country without a passport. The Alaskans, Canadians, Americans and Mexicans will be one big, happy familia like their European mentors.
Why aren't we one big happy family now? A tunnel to Siberia won't change that.
MrOwl wrote:
It would also make a nice trip for a Vietnamese family from Saigon to see the country and visit family members in California or North Carolina.
The Chinese and Japanese might be interested too but I think most would prefer to fly if they came to the US.
MrOwl wrote:
Oops, I'm off subject. Let's see now, travel between east and west. the east has a lot more to offer for sightseeing and entertainment than the west. Enough of my rambling. I am boring.
There are lots of places in the eastern hemisphere to visit. Eastern Russia, China, Japan... you could go to India too. The Russians and everyone else would only be able to visit Canada and the US or they could go all the way to Mexico and So. America. Not sure why they'd want to though.

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#50 Aug 29, 2011
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Who would want to travel to Europe through Russia? it would take days, on poor roads in some cases. Alaskans would visit Siberia and vise versa, but there won't be too many wanting to drive from New York to London, apart from the amount of time it would take it would cost thousands of dollars in hotel bills.
Trans-Siberian railway

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#51 Aug 29, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what would be Cassandra's answer for this question, but I think she is absolutelly right - Russians know a lot about what USA looks like - we have a lot of american films everyday on TV - several going on one time on several chanels etc...- but as for americans- they (americans) have no idea what Russia is about, they have no idea how do Russian cities look like (even in your news programm CNN show only one sight - St.Bazil on Red Square in Moscow and the view on Kremlin from the Moskva-river bridge - and thats all !- NOTHING ELSE - you have no idea what do we eat every day, you have no idea how is our neighbourhood food-store looks like and what is inside there, you have no idea how does a Russian city's street looks like, you have never seen a Russian school or kindergarten, nor have you ever seen how do Russians get their social services etc.etc.- you have absolutelly no idea about Russia - all you know is what you are been fed by your propaganda - vodka, matrioshka,KGB, Kremlin, Putin and bears...So, I am sure that much more americans would like to see Russia then Russians would like to see USA as we actually know what is possible to see in USA from your own films and TV programs - I have at least 8 american TV programs on my cable which are part of the kit - not that I ordered those myself...Have you ever seen a Russian movie? Have you ever seen a Russian-made documentary etc.?- You have never seen those because you propaganda will never permit Russian films or Rusian TV programs in USA - so ofcource americans will be more interested to visit Russia, then Russians to visit USA - Russians mainly travel to Europe, I don't know any one Russian who goes to USA as a tourist - only for business. Hope I answered your question.
True! Europe (i assume you mean western Europe) is closer to you and is more appealing than the US/Canada/Mexico.
I have seen a few Russian films but there isn't much of a selection here. Where would I find all that information about Russia?

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#52 Aug 29, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>whatever I am or am not, but you are just an idiot as you try to refute my point with arguments that in fact prove my point
Just ignore him and JimBob. They're only here to start trouble.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#53 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>Trans-Siberian railway
That takes 5 days just to get to Moscow.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#54 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>True! Europe (i assume you mean western Europe) is closer to you and is more appealing than the US/Canada/Mexico.
I have seen a few Russian films but there isn't much of a selection here. Where would I find all that information about Russia?
the problem is that just to get a disc(video) of a Russian movie (which are available in Russian shops that exist in big US cities) is not enough as you need a movie with English translation and those are just few as to do such translation there should be an order from american TV chanell or cinema chain or simply videodistribution chain - but that is not encouraged or maybe just of no interest for american film distributors(although I think there would be some market for those )- I am not saying that it is good or bad , but I am saying that it is so - my point was that because of that people all over the world know much more about USA, then americans do know about Russia

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#55 Aug 29, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>the problem is that just to get a disc(video) of a Russian movie (which are available in Russian shops that exist in big US cities) is not enough as you need a movie with English translation and those are just few as to do such translation there should be an order from american TV chanell or cinema chain or simply videodistribution chain - but that is not encouraged or maybe just of no interest for american film distributors(although I think there would be some market for those )- I am not saying that it is good or bad , but I am saying that it is so - my point was that because of that people all over the world know much more about USA, then americans do know about Russia
I know that's what you meant and I agree.

These are the ones I've seen and have English subtitles:

Alexandra (great movie)
The Battleship Potemkin
Vodka Lemon (Russian language but set in Armenia)
Perestroika
Ivan the Terrible (1944)
Tycoon: A New Russian (did not like it)
The Outskirts (2004)
Day Watch
Burnt by the Sun

also
Enemy at the Gates (not a Russian film but about Russia - excellent movie)
K-19: The Widowmaker (also not a Russian film but a very good movie)

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#56 Aug 29, 2011
^ I think those are all the films Netflix has

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#57 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I know that's what you meant and I agree.
These are the ones I've seen and have English subtitles:
Alexandra (great movie)
The Battleship Potemkin
Vodka Lemon (Russian language but set in Armenia)
Perestroika
Ivan the Terrible (1944)
Tycoon: A New Russian (did not like it)
The Outskirts (2004)
Day Watch
Burnt by the Sun
also
Enemy at the Gates (not a Russian film but about Russia - excellent movie)
K-19: The Widowmaker (also not a Russian film but a very good movie)
There actually many more than that but is not a bad list.

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#58 Aug 29, 2011
Also "12" and "Prisoner of the Mountains"

Since: Jan 10

California USA

#59 Aug 29, 2011
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>
There actually many more than that but is not a bad list.
On Netflix?! I hate Netflix but I don't know of anywhere else to rent Russian films. Not around here.

I'm still checking my DVD activity...
"see complete history" helps lol

12
Prisoner of the Moutains
Brother
The Thief
The Return
Night Watch
Stalker
Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears
Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future
Day Watch

Okay I think that's it.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#60 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I know that's what you meant and I agree.
These are the ones I've seen and have English subtitles:
Alexandra (great movie)
The Battleship Potemkin
Vodka Lemon (Russian language but set in Armenia)
Perestroika
Ivan the Terrible (1944)
Tycoon: A New Russian (did not like it)
The Outskirts (2004)
Day Watch
Burnt by the Sun
also
Enemy at the Gates (not a Russian film but about Russia - excellent movie)
K-19: The Widowmaker (also not a Russian film but a very good movie)
those films you mentioned are mainly politisised or kind of specific professional classics- "The Battleship Potemkin" for example, that no Russian would watch exept for students in cinamatography - Enemy at the Gates is good film,but it show war with western eyes- as a result many war veterans here demanded it to be prohibited in Russia(but it was not)- they were absolutelly enraged by such scenes when soldjers in a movie were transported to front line like cattle in carriages-cages (maybe victims of Gulag were transported like that, but ofcource not soldgers who often were in exelent relations with officers, shared food and established the best friendships that lasted for decades after the war - such details are exactly what gives knowledge about the country or (in contrast) make a carickature out of Russia - there are a lot of simple Russian movies like comedies or melodramatic ones with a lot of everyday life details - "Pokrovskiye Vorota","Zimnyaya Vishnya",from 1970-80-s Soviet times,- a lot from ourdays, some soviet films after Chechov's classics "Moi Laskovyi i nezhniy zver'",- well, tons and tons of movies where some everyday life is seen - for example a movie from 1963 "Ya shagayu po Moskve" which has a lot of details of everyday life etc...
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#61 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>
12
Prisoner of the Moutains
Brother
The Thief
The Return
Night Watch
Stalker
Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears
Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future
Day Watch
Okay I think that's it.
wow !...thats great list by the way !..have you watched all of those? Are they all translated?

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#62 Aug 29, 2011
Cassandra_ wrote:
<quoted text>On Netflix?! I hate Netflix but I don't know of anywhere else to rent Russian films. Not around here.
I'm still checking my DVD activity...
"see complete history" helps lol
12
Prisoner of the Moutains
Brother
The Thief
The Return
Night Watch
Stalker
Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears
Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future
Day Watch
Okay I think that's it.
If you go to uTorrent and download the software you can get movies you never thought of getting from various sites. I can give you the main one if you want.

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