Can You Pass an 8th Grade Test from 1912?

There are 20 comments on the politix.topix.com story from Aug 13, 2013, titled Can You Pass an 8th Grade Test from 1912?. In it, politix.topix.com reports that:

This exam was taken by middle schoolers in Bullitt County, Kentucky. The real test contained 58 questions and wasn't multiple choice.

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Since: Dec 11

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#1672 Apr 8, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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That is a product of the "free" education system. If students' parent had to buy the books and pay for them instead of the school furnishing them (paid with money from taxpayers most of who don't have kids in school, and if they do their kids aren't the social class that defaces the books) those parents would insist on their kids taking care of the books. Anything that is furnished free to the lower class gets trashed, be it school books or housing.
Kids already have incentive not to trash their books: fines.

You really think it's more efficient for every class of students to buy their own books every year? That's what college is like, and it's a complete racket.
Libertarian

Marion, KY

#1673 Apr 8, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Kids already have incentive not to trash their books: fines.
You really think it's more efficient for every class of students to buy their own books every year? That's what college is like, and it's a complete racket.
B.S.

If those "Fines" were $500.00 per damaged book they might work. But what are they?$5.00 or $10.00.

Right here in Kentucky public school students used to have to buy their own books. My parents bought mine when I was in high school. I still have them. I still have elementary school books that belonged to my mother too.

I have also heard my grandmother talk about how she had to drop out of school in the 8th grade during the Depression because her parents did not have the money to buy her books.

Our "free and compulsory" public school system is a Socialist racket, a scam if ever there was one.

Since: Dec 11

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#1676 Apr 8, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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If those "Fines" were $500.00 per damaged book they might work. But what are they?$5.00 or $10.00.
The fines are in proportion to the damage done. Why the hell would you fine someone $500 for a book? That's absurd.
Libertarian wrote:
Right here in Kentucky public school students used to have to buy their own books.
What kinds of books? I recall purchasing books when they were small paperbacks: novels for English class that might change year to year or between teachers.

I never had to purchase large textbooks, like those used for history, science, or math.
Libertarian wrote:
My parents bought mine when I was in high school. I still have them. I still have elementary school books that belonged to my mother too.
If you're talking about textbooks, then thank you for proving my point about inefficiency. Rather than being in a classroom educating a child, those books are gathering dust in your closet.
Libertarian wrote:
I have also heard my grandmother talk about how she had to drop out of school in the 8th grade during the Depression because her parents did not have the money to buy her books.
And now you've helped my argument again. If the school had books they retained, your grandmother would have been able to continue her education.
Libertarian wrote:
Our "free and compulsory" public school system is a Socialist racket, a scam if ever there was one.
Educating youth is a scam? I'd say it's an investment.
Tlbee

Stafford, VA

#1680 Apr 8, 2014
Yes I can !:-)
Libertarian

Marion, KY

#1684 Apr 8, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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The fines are in proportion to the damage done. Why the hell would you fine someone $500 for a book? That's absurd.
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What kinds of books? I recall purchasing books when they were small paperbacks: novels for English class that might change year to year or between teachers.
I never had to purchase large textbooks, like those used for history, science, or math.
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If you're talking about textbooks, then thank you for proving my point about inefficiency. Rather than being in a classroom educating a child, those books are gathering dust in your closet.
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And now you've helped my argument again. If the school had books they retained, your grandmother would have been able to continue her education.
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Educating youth is a scam? I'd say it's an investment.
Fines are supposed to be punitive, not merely compensation for damage done. If someone deliberately vandalizes a public building or your property, should that person have to pay no more than the cost of repairs? No. They pay more as punishment for the act.

I don't know where or when you went to school, but I had to buy textbooks for English, history, science, and math.

As for the keepsake textbooks that I have, they are all outdated. They would be of no value in a modern classroom. Some kids sold theirs to other kids (which is a good lesson in free enterprise) but I kept mine.

My grandmother probably could not have continued her education anyway. The Depression was so bad that her father, who was a tenant farmer, was not able to afford even things like shoes for his kids for several years. The family was reduced to a subsistence existence, growing their own food in a garden and raising hogs and chickens. But they were self reliant. They knew that they had to work to support themselves and they did it. Later life my grandmother and her siblings despised the people expect a free ride.

Yes, education is an investment. But it is an investment that parents should make. It should not be the responsibility of the taxpayers. That is Socialism. And it is a demonstrated fact that Socialism is a disease that will destroy any society that embraces it.

Since: Dec 11

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#1686 Apr 9, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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Fines are supposed to be punitive, not merely compensation for damage done.
No kidding. That doesn't mean you make them absurdly high.
Libertarian wrote:
I don't know where or when you went to school, but I had to buy textbooks for English, history, science, and math.
Suburbs of Chicago. Great schools. We never purchased textbooks.
Libertarian wrote:
As for the keepsake textbooks that I have, they are all outdated. They would be of no value in a modern classroom.
Sure, they're outdated now. But they could have gotten many good years in schools. Instead, they wasted away in your closet.
Libertarian wrote:
Yes, education is an investment. But it is an investment that parents should make.
It's an investment SOCIETY should make. Some parents don't have a lot of money. Do we really want a significant portion of the population to be uneducated?
Libertarian wrote:
That is Socialism. And it is a demonstrated fact that Socialism is a disease that will destroy any society that embraces it.
lol, It's a demonstrated fact that public education boosts any society that embraces it.

Care to list any successful modern nations that don't have public school systems?
Libertarian

Paducah, KY

#1687 Apr 9, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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No kidding. That doesn't mean you make them absurdly high.
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Fines have to be high enough to cause hurt to the person who pays them, otherwise it is not an effective penalty.

Suburbs of Chicago. Great schools. We never purchased textbooks.
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Students in Kentucky schools and most other places in the South were still buying books in the late 1970s. I think they stopped when Kentucky passed the absurd KERA in the early 1980s in response to a blatant case of liberal judicial activism. KERA then became the model for the national disaster known as No Child Left Behind.

Sure, they're outdated now. But they could have gotten many good years in schools. Instead, they wasted away in your closet.
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The books were my property, paid for with my parents money. Keeping them was a matter of personal freedom. It was none of anybody else's damn business.

It's an investment SOCIETY should make. Some parents don't have a lot of money. Do we really want a significant portion of the population to be uneducated?
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Typical Socialist shit for brains porpaganda.

lol, It's a demonstrated fact that public education boosts any society that embraces it.
Care to list any successful modern nations that don't have public school systems?
False. More Socialist shitganda.

Counter point: List any advanced society that has tried a truly free market educational system. You can't say that it is a failure because nobody has tried it.

Since: Dec 11

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#1688 Apr 9, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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False. More Socialist shitganda.
You avoided my point about fines.
You avoided the point that keeping textbooks in your closet is inefficient and a waste of resources.
You avoided my point about educational opportunities being lost in a system where kids have to pay for their own books every year.
You avoided my question about societies with large uneducated populaces.

So much running away.
Libertarian wrote:
Counter point: List any advanced society that has tried a truly free market educational system. You can't say that it is a failure because nobody has tried it.
I asked you for examples of success. You have none. Another evasion.

Question: why does your question require that the society already be advanced? Shouldn't a free market educational system be able to form in a 3rd world country and lift that country to new heights since it's supposedly so effective?

Can you even tell me WHY a "truly free market education system" would be so great? Can you tell me why having a large portion of the population being poorly educated is a good thing? Can you tell me why wasting a large portion of the population's potential is a good thing?
lol

London, KY

#1689 Apr 9, 2014
I could a 7th grade test but dont know about 8th
Hmmmm

Philpot, KY

#1691 Apr 9, 2014
Anyone that throws around the term "Socialist" as loosely as a Republican/Tea Party talk show host is not a true Libertarian.
Hum

Columbus, IN

#1696 Apr 13, 2014
Yes I would.
Daisy

Corbin, KY

#1697 Apr 13, 2014
Eighthman wrote:
<quoted text>They have found that dumbing a high school graduate down to the previous fifth grade level was what it took to pass most of the the kids when segregation of the schools was ended in the 60s.
Otherwise there would be way too many left back who had to repeat too many times for the teachers to enjoy extravagant pensions and benefits.
It just cost way to much to get them all smart for the teacher's taste.
That's where it stands right now.
Wealthy teachers and dumb kids.
25th in the world in math and science.
Wealthy teachers? LOL. So not true!
Krystal

Hazard, KY

#1700 Apr 14, 2014
Heck no
Happy

Mckee, KY

#1701 Apr 15, 2014
No I couldn't

Since: Mar 14

Central City, KY

#1704 Apr 16, 2014
Passed it!

Since: Mar 14

United States

#1705 Apr 17, 2014
Yep
Wish

United States

#1706 Apr 18, 2014
I would like to
nope

Owensboro, KY

#1707 Apr 18, 2014
Wish wrote:
I would like to
Never
hum

London, KY

#1709 Apr 19, 2014
lol
Jethroe

Prestonsburg, KY

#1717 Apr 26, 2014
I passed it by the hair of my teeth

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