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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 165522 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#137544 Oct 16, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"but that "the devil" is always a mythical figure"
You wish!
Even Jesus talked about him...
There probably was a Jesus, but there's no way of knowing for sure what he actually said or done. You're just taking other people's words as written down, but you don't have the ability or credibility to vouch for them, which may have been symbolic statements, half-truths, purposeful misrepresentations, and outright lies. Or just plain wrong, like the guy who called Cyrenus the governor of Syria when Christ was born even though he didn't become Governor of Syria until many years after Christ's birth. You can believe what you want but don't expect to use statements of faith in a debate and expect anybody to take you seriously.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137545 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
so then that must mean air is not real right? Cause can you see air can you catch it? You know its there based off faith same thing with everything in the bible. Its faith based and the devil is real. The best trick the devil achieved was convinced people he didn't exist
Air is real. You can feel it, you can see how it effects other things, you can "catch" it in a jar and examine its properties with the proper instruments. Elohim, God and Allah only exists within the pages of religious codices. Those stories tell you that your deity is real and that you must believe. A child can have faith that Santa Claus or Big Bird are real because that's what he's been led to believe. I'm sorry to break it to you, but believing what Mrs. Bighair told you in Sunday School doesn't make it so.
gunner

Lexington, KY

#137546 Oct 16, 2014
Athenesword wrote:
<quoted text>
There probably was a Jesus, but there's no way of knowing for sure what he actually said or done. You're just taking other people's words as written down, but you don't have the ability or credibility to vouch for them, which may have been symbolic statements, half-truths, purposeful misrepresentations, and outright lies. Or just plain wrong, like the guy who called Cyrenus the governor of Syria when Christ was born even though he didn't become Governor of Syria until many years after Christ's birth. You can believe what you want but don't expect to use statements of faith in a debate and expect anybody to take you seriously.
and the big bang theory is the reason for the universe right? If you look close at life it has to take a very intelligent being to create it and the being us god the father. Do you think you would be here if he didn't create you?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137547 Oct 16, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>The reason this country is in the financial shape it's in is because, the United States has accumulated so much debt that our dollar is worth nothing on the world market. At present it is $17,882,581,559,000. We stopped backing our dollars in gold and created currency in the seventies. That was because so much gold was leaving the country. Better check the Fort Knox Stash. So then we started printing more money than we were backing up with gold. And we started borrowing money from other countries. "Presidents" have passed the buck from generation to generation, so now we are in so much debt that we can never get out. The Bush administration amassed more debt to this country than, all the presidents from the time period of George Washington to President Clinton ' COMBINED. We have become a nation of consumers. We no longer produce products in this country we consume them. So the United States is not making any real money, but we are still spending money that we are not making. Most all the jobs have gone over seas to china and India. Especially the manufacturing jobs. You can blame that on (Pre-Obama) trade agreements. The middle class here in the United States is disappearing, but China and India have a huge middle class. In the future, you are either going to be rich or, you are going to be poor. So if you are pissed off about the state of this country, look at this countries leadership"past and present". And I'm not just talking about Presidents; I'm also talking about the Senate. They are the reason this country is in the financial shape that it is in.
The dollar is backed by god, as it says right on each dollar made "in god we trust".

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#137548 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
and the big bang theory is the reason for the universe right? If you look close at life it has to take a very intelligent being to create it and the being us god the father. Do you think you would be here if he didn't create you?
There's a lot more evidence to support the big bang and evolution than there is to support the notion that some God just basically spoke us into existence or made everything out of nothing with sheer will. And I believe in God, frankly. I believe that nature is God and that it actually has a consciousness. But where people get in trouble is when they start following and putting faith in words written by people whose motivations and reasonings they couldn't possibly comprehend. There is a lot of truth in the Bible for sure but there's a lot of bullshit as well. That's bad enough but then they talk about teaching this shit to our schoolchildren as though it's a proven fucking fact. Not on my watch mister.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137549 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
and the big bang theory is the reason for the universe right? If you look close at life it has to take a very intelligent being to create it and the being us god the father. Do you think you would be here if he didn't create you?
The big bang was an event, not a reason. You cannot show an intelligent creator making life, so your claim falls flat. It may be your belief, but not my belief. When you use phrases such as "has to take a very intelligent being" you are insisting we accept your beliefs. Well I do not believe it, as you have zero evidence of the claim. I see no reason to accept the claim. It is but a claim.
Thank goodness your religion is no longer insists my kind be killed for not believing your claims. You and your religion have progressed one step away from ISIS. Now pat yourself on the back.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137550 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
so then that must mean air is not real right? Cause can you see air can you catch it? You know its there based off faith same thing with everything in the bible. Its faith based and the devil is real. The best trick the devil achieved was convinced people he didn't exist
Air can be tested. It has pressure we can measure in detail. We can measure the oxygen levels of air. God cannot pass such tests. You must rely on pure faith(superstition) to believe in god. You do not need faith or superstition to believe air is real.
I am sure you read such claims in religious propaganda, as I have heard it a thousand times by as many ignorant people. Learn some science before you spew your propaganda and look like a fool.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137551 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
and the big bang theory is the reason for the universe right? If you look close at life it has to take a very intelligent being to create it and the being us god the father. Do you think you would be here if he didn't create you?
Without anything looking it up, can you accurately relate what the Big Bang Theory says or describe the Theory of Evolution? Why do I seriously doubt thought and knowledge are high up on your "things to do" list?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137552 Oct 16, 2014
gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
so then that must mean air is not real right? Cause can you see air can you catch it? You know its there based off faith same thing with everything in the bible. Its faith based and the devil is real. The best trick the devil achieved was convinced people he didn't exist
Yes, you can easily catch air. A kid can do it. Ever hold your breath? Try this simple experiment. Get a bucket and turn it upside down. Now dunk it under water. Now turn it right side up. You will see the captured air in the form of bubbles rise to the surface.
God cannot pass such a simple test, because god is a myth, and air is real.
Yes and Amen

Mount Sterling, KY

#137553 Oct 17, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't making any case for your own mental stability there, friend. You like war and violence just for war and violence's sake, or maybe you think $1.2 trillion on the war in Iraq has done wonders for the economy?
Since that came from Brown university, we'll take that number with a bit of salt... it's more like 700 Billion, but never the less....
That money was paid to American companies, who then paid America workers, who then paid American farmers... see the pattern????
Now... you have Obummer who paid a Canadian co. 1 trillion for a web site to steal more money from American people.... go figure!
Yes and Amen

Mount Sterling, KY

#137554 Oct 17, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Air is real. You can feel it, you can see how it effects other things, you can "catch" it in a jar and examine its properties with the proper instruments. Elohim, God and Allah only exists within the pages of religious codices. Those stories tell you that your deity is real and that you must believe. A child can have faith that Santa Claus or Big Bird are real because that's what he's been led to believe. I'm sorry to break it to you, but believing what Mrs. Bighair told you in Sunday School doesn't make it so.
No...
but when you are saved by God.... you see the big picture!
You see the down turn in morals, calling evil good, and good evil...
just as it was written many, many years ago....
Remember this....
When you see it coming, and you truly repent....'
Remember.... All who call on the Name of the Lord WILL be saved!
I'd love to see all of you holding your head high on Judgment day!
Yes and Amen

Mount Sterling, KY

#137555 Oct 17, 2014
Athenesword wrote:
<quoted text>
There probably was a Jesus, but there's no way of knowing for sure what he actually said or done. You're just taking other people's words as written down, but you don't have the ability or credibility to vouch for them, which may have been symbolic statements, half-truths, purposeful misrepresentations, and outright lies. Or just plain wrong, like the guy who called Cyrenus the governor of Syria when Christ was born even though he didn't become Governor of Syria until many years after Christ's birth. You can believe what you want but don't expect to use statements of faith in a debate and expect anybody to take you seriously.
That just might be do to the fact that there is a difference between the Gregorian calendar, and the Jewish calendar....
Just saying... God saved me, and nothing is going to change that!
Yes and Amen

Mount Sterling, KY

#137556 Oct 17, 2014
I've read a post that is so true....
"The Truth sounds like hate
to those that hate the truth!"
I found this to be as profound as,
"None so blind, as
those who refuse to see!"

I see some are still blaming Christians for what the Catholics (Nights Templar) did...
Go figure!
Bill

United States

#137558 Oct 17, 2014
Right so which Bible? We talking Scientology or Hindu?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137559 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Since that came from Brown university, we'll take that number with a bit of salt... it's more like 700 Billion, but never the less....
That money was paid to American companies, who then paid America workers, who then paid American farmers... see the pattern????
Now... you have Obummer who paid a Canadian co. 1 trillion for a web site to steal more money from American people.... go figure!
I see the pattern just fine. When it's a stimulus package you call it Liberals destroying the country - even though Bush handed out money the treasury didn't have and Romney proposed a larger stimulus program that Obama did. When it's WIC spending you scream bloody murder, but when it's spent on drones and PTSD you're in love. That's warped, "Christian".
The number from the Watson Institute includes costs incurred after the servicemen returned to the states - and it does not include Afghanistan. I have no idea what trillion dollar Canadian contract you are talking about. CGI got around $80 million. The highest GAO estimate I've found for total expenditures on the website is $350 million - which includes hardware and call centers. I'm with you on contractors milking the system and administrators being irresponsible with government funds, but still and again...
Mind your 9th commandment, YaA.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137560 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No...
but when you are saved by God.... you see the big picture!
You see the down turn in morals, calling evil good, and good evil...
just as it was written many, many years ago....
Remember this....
When you see it coming, and you truly repent....'
Remember.... All who call on the Name of the Lord WILL be saved!
I'd love to see all of you holding your head high on Judgment day!
Well then, my best advice for you is to stop lying for Jesus and endorsing evil politics.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137561 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That just might be do to the fact that there is a difference between the Gregorian calendar, and the Jewish calendar....
Just saying... God saved me, and nothing is going to change that!
6 AD is still 6 AD, even in the Chinese calendar.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#137562 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That just might be do to the fact that there is a difference between the Gregorian calendar, and the Jewish calendar....
It has nothing to do with any calendar differences. There's a clear contradiction between Luke and Matthew with regards to Jesus' birth.

Matthew says he was born during the reign of King Herod, who died in 4 BC. So Jesus must have been born in 4 BC or earlier.

Luke says he was born during the governorship of Quirinius, who didn't take that position until 6 AD. So Jesus must have been born in 6 AD or later.

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#137563 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That just might be do to the fact that there is a difference between the Gregorian calendar, and the Jewish calendar....
Just saying... God saved me, and nothing is going to change that!
No. Jesus was born before the death of King Herod The Great who died in March 4 BC. Cyrenius was not appoibted Governor of Syria until well after Herod's death. Thesr are known facts about historical people. And while we're on the subject, Roman Emperor Augustus was many things, but simple-minded fool was not one of them. This idea that he would conduct a census in such a manner as described in the Book of Matthew, with all the chaos and empire wide disruption that would entail, is absolute fucking nonsense, nor is there the slightest hint of any historical record to back such an absurd claim. Matthew, or whoever wrote the book named for Matthew, was not only a blatant liar, he wasn't even a remotely believable liar. I won't even go into the lack of histirical record to authenticate the story of the massacre of the innicents, because some ling-ago records could well have been lost, and that would have been consistent with Herod's character at that particular stage of his life. Plus there was so much going on it might have beeb arm relatively minor event that escaoed the histirical record. However judging by the other blatant lies and ridiculous stories in Matthew I am inclined to give that story a great big old Pinnochio as well. You say you have been saved, but I see nothing but danger for you ahead from your own mind with it's gullibke blind faith and faulty logic.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137564 Oct 17, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No...
but when you are saved by God.... you see the big picture!
You see the down turn in morals, calling evil good, and good evil...
just as it was written many, many years ago....
Remember this....
When you see it coming, and you truly repent....'
Remember.... All who call on the Name of the Lord WILL be saved!
I'd love to see all of you holding your head high on Judgment day!
You see a picture organized religion has painted.

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