Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 164836 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#137458 Oct 11, 2014
ChildofGod wrote:
this shouldn't even be a discussion. federal and state do not belong in religion or schools, unless parents agree 100%, our tax money must go to schools that we choose to send our kids to...our money should educate our children not indoctrinate our children to what our government wants..my tax dollars should go to private schools..and i am a child of God -not a religion
You are mistaken on Constitutional grounds about at least two matters. the modifier "unless parents agree 100%" does not make it constitutional. Not even if all taxpayers in your school district agreed would it be constitutional. The government - state, federal, local (including school boards)- is not supposed to Establish religion. Any taxpayer funding of such a course would be unConstitutional, if it taught Bible study in the usual sense. If it taught comparative religion, many parents probably would object to any secular rational evaluation of religious views.

Second, your tax dollars should not go to private schools. School voucher schemes that allow parents to send children to private schools - especially with any use or teaching or practice of religion in them - are not Constitutional. One exception was made at one time,, for busing of school children to private schools, for the sake of safety. That is a more iffy question - one does not want students endangered by being forced to walk or to use old and unsafe vehicles. I do not think it is
Constitutional, but I would not regard it as a practice that has to be fought in the courts in order to have a completely pure interpretation of the First Amendment. There are more important priorities.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137459 Oct 11, 2014
havent forgotten wrote:
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The issue is very simple. An atheist has no other content to his belief system AS AN ATHEIST. There is nothing more said or implied other than "I do not believe in the existence of a God or gods." Whereas Christianity and many other religions have some sort of alleged ethical system attached, in books which they claim are holy - perhaps even written or dictated or inspired by their God. If there are words in any socalled holy books of any religion, then the religion itself is accountable for the horrible bigotry and horrible actions resulting from it. That is true of the Bible, the Koran, and whatever version of OT and other books used by Jewish religious believers. There is rotten stuff in all those books.
Of course, not all believers in such books believe in or act upon some of the nastier stuff. Some just look for the nicer ethics- Golden Rule variations, compassion, love for other human beings (only a very few religions include love and care for other animals, and at least one of those goes too far and asks the impossible - obviously love of other living things is better than mere love of humans or of people we agree with, but not to the extent of not defending ourselves against hostile living things).
Here in my town, and also in Des Moines Iowa, there were major counterdemonstrations against the Phelps family types. A group at our local university put on an independent production of the play about the murder of the young gay man in Wyoming. Phelps family types came and demonstrated on one side of the street across from our college campus - and many more students and faculty staged a counterdemonstration with signs saying God is Love, and similar things. It was not the first time there was such an anti-bigotry demonstration by people from this school - iwhich has a religious affiliation.
The Westboro crowd are just examples of bigot extremists. There are many, many more toned down versions of the exact same thing. Televangelists blame >every< hurricane that hits land on God punishing the gays. Dan Cathy, Richard Hayne, Phil Robertson - the prejudice is praised and the list goes on. Bigotry didn't begin at Phelps' pulpit and it doesn't stop at his grave.
Certainly there are those who try to abide by the sentiment of the golden rule, but it isn't limited to those of any religion and as often as not, it is the message and instructions from the church itself that is the transgressor.
BRAIN STORM

Campbellsville, KY

#137460 Oct 11, 2014
havent forgotten wrote:
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first of all, are you so naive that you think a woman would enjoy a male assaulting her? and it is probably an assault far more times than anyone would want to admit. even among married persons.
second, a woman's essence is not her body or any part of her body. her essence is her intellectual and emotional self. otherwise physically she is mostly like other women.
what you do not get is that much of what passes for sexual relationship is laced with dominance, conflict, violence, disrespect, coercion, deception, and all of that is disgusting. merely being bored without being hurt or feeling disrespected or unloved is the fate of many women with men in a sexual relationship. and some women who think they have it good, are being fooled and/or are fooling themselves.
I recommend Harlequin
Eclipse romance novels - where the lady gets involved with a mystical feeling. There are only a few of them published, probably not graphic enough for brainwashed women who want a technical how to guide phrased in cliches. Even the Harlequin Regencies are too graphic and not funny.
I take it you are single? And apparently with good reason.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137461 Oct 11, 2014
havent forgotten wrote:
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he did write that his tax dollars should go to private schools, didn't he? that violates the First Amendment prohibition of Establishment of religion.
The religious right wingers really don't give a rat's sphincter about anyone outside of their own tribe and they feel that whatever their lard-brained leaders propose to inflict is darling no matter what the constitution says. Vouchers? They'll ignore the first amendment when somebody opens a k-12 at a mosque, too.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137462 Oct 11, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>I take it you are single? And apparently with good reason.
That reason could be that she rejects the misogynistic bullcrap of Promise Keepers? Good enough reason for me... you wouldn't be a Mormon, by chance?
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#137464 Oct 11, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The religious right wingers really don't give a rat's sphincter about anyone outside of their own tribe and they feel that whatever their lard-brained leaders propose to inflict is darling no matter what the constitution says. Vouchers? They'll ignore the first amendment when somebody opens a k-12 at a mosque, too.
I agree with most of that - except the phrasing, And maybe the last sentence should not be applied to all rightwing Christians.
BRAIN STORM

Campbellsville, KY

#137466 Oct 11, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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That reason could be that she rejects the misogynistic bullcrap of Promise Keepers? Good enough reason for me... you wouldn't be a Mormon, by chance?
Nope. Nope. Not a Mormon.
Biggoted

Louisville, KY

#137467 Oct 11, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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That reason could be that she rejects the misogynistic bullcrap of Promise Keepers? Good enough reason for me... you wouldn't be a Mormon, by chance?
She made no mention of mystical underwear in her post, don't think she's mormon. But on the subject, If they were to allow bible study in school, would mormons consider it temple and thus be required to adorn their "magical underwear" for school everyday?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137468 Oct 11, 2014
havent forgotten wrote:
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I agree with most of that - except the phrasing, And maybe the last sentence should not be applied to all rightwing Christians.
How so? Perhaps you have greater faith in human nature than I see in evidence. Remember the right wing outcry at erecting a mosque at ground zero - which was neither at ground zero nor a mosque? I see little reason to quibble that bread is not flour simply because it has traces of yeast, water and salt in it. Likewise, I don't quibble that a few quietly reasonable minds offsets the loudest bobbleheads.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137469 Oct 11, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Nope. Not a Mormon.
Just wondered. We've had some discussion with an LDS member about women's roles in the home and society. I believe it ended up, "How to say "barefoot and pregnant" in a thousand words or less."

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137470 Oct 11, 2014
Biggoted wrote:
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She made no mention of mystical underwear in her post, don't think she's mormon. But on the subject, If they were to allow bible study in school, would mormons consider it temple and thus be required to adorn their "magical underwear" for school everyday?
Mormons in Utah and some other select communities skirt the issue by officially allowing off campus Bible/ BOM study during school hours. I suspect there are some school administrations that don't deem it necessary for the students to actually be off campus to hear the Word of Smith er, er,.. God (and of course, who is allowed to leave and study what is selective). You can find more information under "Released Time."

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#137471 Oct 11, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> A person can keep their faith, despite court rulings.
Faith isn't about hate, or intolerance.
Supreme Court has decided.
I recognize that not all Supreme Court decisions are moral, or correct, the Dred Scott decision comes to mind, but this was no Dred Scott decision.
It was simply a decision.
I will continue as I always have, treating people with respect, unless they show they are unwilling to do the same to me.
My starting position with people is always one of respect. I don't mind that we have different world views and opinions; after all, they are just as entitled to their opinion as I am to mine.

Where it becomes a problem for me is when believers think that anyone who doesn't see it their way is some kind of slavering monster of depravity.
BRAIN STORM

Campbellsville, KY

#137472 Oct 11, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Just wondered. We've had some discussion with an LDS member about women's roles in the home and society. I believe it ended up, "How to say "barefoot and pregnant" in a thousand words or less."
By the way,just for the record, I am Male not Female.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137473 Oct 11, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text> By the way,just for the record, I am Male not Female.
Bigotted thought you were female, not me. My opinions and statements stand as they are, regardless of your age, race, creed, sex or sexual preference.
Phil Greer

Louisville, KY

#137474 Oct 11, 2014
As a god delusional Christian the ability to apply reasoned thought to the bible and the gods contained there is not available. I know this because for years I was deep inside the Christian god delusion myself and suffered this strange malady. Christians believe that there is a universe creating super being capable of reading everyone’s thoughts.
Christians believe that this super mind reading being is judging the thoughts of billions to see if they meet his standards. After reading and judging the thoughts of billions of humans the mind reading super being will impose an eternal sentence upon all of either a world of eternal supposed bliss spent worshiping the mind reading super being or eternal torture spent forever burning but never dying.

The thoughts determining which of the eternal judgments you will receive must be that you believe, contrary to any evidence whatsoever, the following; over 2000 years ago the mind reading super being that created the universe became a ghost, impregnated a Jewish teenager with himself, was later killed by the governing authorities that were ignorant of the fact that they were part of a suicide plan that the creator of the universe had thought up.

The thought reading, universe creating super being was according to his plan taking the place of sheep. The sheep were previously being killed to pay for what the thought reading, universe creating super being judged to be sins against his self. Part of this belief must be that the thought reading, universe creating super being after committing this assisted suicide didn’t stay dead but came back to life and flew into outer space.

The delusional Christian having lost the ability to understand how utterly insane all of this nonsense is believes that it is the unbeliever of this delusional world that fails to see the light and needs their help to come to the same conclusion that they have about Christianity and how much sense it all makes.

Phil Greer
kyshalom

Campbellsville, KY

#137475 Oct 11, 2014
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
This will be taught as a history class in the high sch. only. At that they form their own opinions; just ask any? I like them seeing more truth than hidden lies or deceptions.
sling it

Lexington, KY

#137476 Oct 11, 2014
Well it's election time again. The voters are slinging more mud at each other than any mud being slung anywhere else. You know you don't have to vote the whole ballot? If there's a candidate you don't particularly like or you do not want either candidate in office then don't vote for them just leave them blank. Only vote for the people you know and like. It's kind of a protest vote when that candidate doesn't get as many votes as there were voters.

But nothing is going to change, everybody gripes how bad things are then turn right around and repeat the same thing they do every six years. Things must not be that bad.

All I know is whoever gets the most votes wins but it won't be on my account, I'm not for either and I'm not casting a vote for either one of them.
Sorry

Lexington, KY

#137477 Oct 11, 2014
sling it wrote:
Well it's election time again. The voters are slinging more mud at each other than any mud being slung anywhere else. You know you don't have to vote the whole ballot? If there's a candidate you don't particularly like or you do not want either candidate in office then don't vote for them just leave them blank. Only vote for the people you know and like. It's kind of a protest vote when that candidate doesn't get as many votes as there were voters.
But nothing is going to change, everybody gripes how bad things are then turn right around and repeat the same thing they do every six years. Things must not be that bad.
All I know is whoever gets the most votes wins but it won't be on my account, I'm not for either and I'm not casting a vote for either one of them.
I'm so sorry, I posted this on the wrong topic.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137478 Oct 12, 2014
kyshalom wrote:
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This will be taught as a history class in the high sch. only. At that they form their own opinions; just ask any? I like them seeing more truth than hidden lies or deceptions.
Actually, I think it died in committee - which is a good thing as it would have violated the constitution. Speaking of hidden lies and deceptions - funny thing, that. Every member of the armed services takes an oath to defend the constitution, but politicians don't. In a way, it reminds me of religies and the 9th commandment.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137479 Oct 12, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Nope. Not a Mormon.
Jehovah's Witness?

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