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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167902 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#137161 Sep 15, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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My, my... how spiritually fit you are. I almost missed it beneath your rabid hostility. Seems like you've got the same disease as many other fundies who've passed though here - a complete inability to be honest with yourself and others.
Not sure how you missed the part of the Bible that tells you not to bear false witness against your neighbor. It's a pretty famous part of it given by God's Own Voice. Perhaps you think it's one of those rules you don't need to abide by because Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? I'd wager he'd have disagreed.
C-man, are you a homosexual? Dude is calling you out, a simple yes or no will do..

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137162 Sep 15, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
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C-man, are you a homosexual? Dude is calling you out, a simple yes or no will do..
I wasn't going to bother replying to that since it was just a juvenile attempt to get my goat. Apparently he's not capable of any better. FYI, no. I've never understood how some guys can find other guys' hairy butts attractive. To each their own, I guess. By conscious choice and fairness I'm not going to hate on them for it just because I find it repugnant - so by your leave, I've got little else to say on the matter.
GeorgiaCottongim

Charlotte, NC

#137163 Sep 15, 2014
what wrote:
This would be in direct conflict to the 1st Amendment to the Constitution - Separation of Church and State - and everyone's right to their own religious belief (or non-belief).
I believe everyone has a right to their own beliefs, but if you'd ever read our constitution, you would find that this so-called separation of church and state DOES NOT EXIST as those that that keep bringing it up seem to think it does. Our constitution simply states that government shall make no laws for or against religions of any kind. In other words, government is forbidden to legislate any religion in any way. They can't pass laws to forbid religion in schools, they can't pass laws to require religion in schools, they can't pass any laws about any religion or anything religious... therefore religion and state must remain separated under the context of laws... hands off... don't say it... don't even think about it... leave religion completely alone. Georgia Cottongim.
colt 45

United States

#137164 Sep 16, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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My, my... how spiritually fit you are. I almost missed it beneath your rabid hostility. Seems like you've got the same disease as many other fundies who've passed though here - a complete inability to be honest with yourself and others.
Not sure how you missed the part of the Bible that tells you not to bear false witness against your neighbor. It's a pretty famous part of it given by God's Own Voice. Perhaps you think it's one of those rules you don't need to abide by because Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? I'd wager he'd have disagreed.
see u believe in God.
colt 45

United States

#137165 Sep 16, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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That makes no sense. It is in no way relevant to my post, the thread topic or even any tangent to the topic. Childish attempts to insult doesn't support any position you have or will offer - unless you are just here to be a troll. <shrug> whatever.
lol u can't see. Me.. I'm rolling down the block ain't got time for haters. U can't see me...
colt 45

United States

#137166 Sep 16, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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My, my... how spiritually fit you are. I almost missed it beneath your rabid hostility. Seems like you've got the same disease as many other fundies who've passed though here - a complete inability to be honest with yourself and others.
Not sure how you missed the part of the Bible that tells you not to bear false witness against your neighbor. It's a pretty famous part of it given by God's Own Voice. Perhaps you think it's one of those rules you don't need to abide by because Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? I'd wager he'd have disagreed.
There we go your a homosexual that is really afraid to find God cause your living in sin. Repent stop being gay and get saved. God loves you but being gay is a sin. Change yourself.
colt 45

United States

#137167 Sep 16, 2014
Only God knows why.

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#137168 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text> lol u can't see. Me.. I'm rolling down the block ain't got time for haters. U can't see me...
<shrug> You're a troll and nobody is trying to see you do your best to be a hater. adios, shthead.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137169 Sep 16, 2014
GeorgiaCottongim wrote:
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I believe everyone has a right to their own beliefs, but if you'd ever read our constitution, you would find that this so-called separation of church and state DOES NOT EXIST as those that that keep bringing it up seem to think it does. Our constitution simply states that government shall make no laws for or against religions of any kind. In other words, government is forbidden to legislate any religion in any way. They can't pass laws to forbid religion in schools, they can't pass laws to require religion in schools, they can't pass any laws about any religion or anything religious... therefore religion and state must remain separated under the context of laws... hands off... don't say it... don't even think about it... leave religion completely alone. Georgia Cottongim.
Specifically, the amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,...." That does not mean that government representatives haven't or won't try to.

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Since: Dec 10

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#137170 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
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Same here so what's the big deal??? I'm not forcing religion on u..
Depends upon what you are referring to? Are you speaking of bible study in public schools? It is not simply an issue of force. It is an issue of my tax dollars being use to teach your superstitions which I find wrong, and even dangerous to children of an impressionable age.
Churches are tax exempt so they can teach their religion. That is the deal made and you guys do not wish to honor it. So I think churches should lose tax exemptions at the least, or you guys need to realize government should not be doing the churches job.
And the way I see it, your particular superstition is being taught and no others. Well maybe the superstitions of Zeus, Thor and such are.
On top of all that, you guys also wish for science teaching to be stifled when your superstition does not line up with it.

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Since: Dec 10

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#137171 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
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Same here so what's the big deal??? I'm not forcing religion on u..
If bible study leads to this "colt 45 wrote:

<quoted text>you are a homosexual who's afraid that God don't love u just repent. "
It becomes a pretty big deal.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137172 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>you are a homosexual who's afraid that God don't love u just repent.
Well the bible claims god love everyone, no matter if they break rules of the bible or not, so why would a homosexual fear not being loved by this supposed god? Maybe you do need some bible study, as you do not seem to know what the god is supposedly saying.
Fact is, you are making a claim you cannot know if it has any truth to it. And that would be you sinning according the bible, as you are bearing false witness. Would that mean god does not love you?
Of course I do not see homosexuality as a sin or bad, as it is not a transgression upon others.
It is not forced upon you, so what's the big deal?

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137173 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text> lol u can't see. Me.. I'm rolling down the block ain't got time for haters. U can't see me...
As of right now, you are the biggest hater on this thread. Typical Christian hypocrisy.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137174 Sep 16, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>We seem to be getting off topic, as someone pointed out, and I don't want to highjack the thread.So, I will try to make this my last challenge to this "Belief" issue. I see what you are saying between a (known) discipline being science, and a Belief system being religion. I Do. My issue is with the "thought process" when drawing the conclusions. You seem to be stating a double standard. Yes one is going off of religion and one from science. And as I said before, science can look at past results and come up with an Educated guess based on past experiences and results. But there are still "Gaps" in science where there are unknowns. If something is not 100% known a conclusion must be drawn to fill that gap. Whether that conclusion is based on Educated Guessing, Past results, whatever, an unknown conclusion has to be drawn to fill that gap. "That Gap", That decision to answer the question using past results, means that you "believe" the ( Past) Science result to be accurate, to answer the unknown question at hand. And knowing those past results you can hypothesize the transitional outcome. Had there not been an 'Unknown" you can state for a fact something is true. Again, the transition from gap to conclusion being =(I think I know) means you have to" Believe" the past results showing what the trend is, will equal the probable outcome. That transition between seeing the results and coming to the conclusion, means you"believe" this out come to be true, based on past results. Because the linear line has been broken.
Well I am not the one insisting belief is of religion, that would be Q. And I am not really disagreeing with you, I just think the belief in evolution and the belief in gods are not equivalent in any manner.
Evolution will always have some gaps of evidence. Religion has no gaps of evidence because there is zero evidence in which to have a gap. It is all conjecture. It is all speculation. It is all guesswork. It has zero foundation of knowns.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137175 Sep 16, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
<quoted text>We seem to be getting off topic, as someone pointed out, and I don't want to highjack the thread.So, I will try to make this my last challenge to this "Belief" issue. I see what you are saying between a (known) discipline being science, and a Belief system being religion. I Do. My issue is with the "thought process" when drawing the conclusions. You seem to be stating a double standard. Yes one is going off of religion and one from science. And as I said before, science can look at past results and come up with an Educated guess based on past experiences and results. But there are still "Gaps" in science where there are unknowns. If something is not 100% known a conclusion must be drawn to fill that gap. Whether that conclusion is based on Educated Guessing, Past results, whatever, an unknown conclusion has to be drawn to fill that gap. "That Gap", That decision to answer the question using past results, means that you "believe" the ( Past) Science result to be accurate, to answer the unknown question at hand. And knowing those past results you can hypothesize the transitional outcome. Had there not been an 'Unknown" you can state for a fact something is true. Again, the transition from gap to conclusion being =(I think I know) means you have to" Believe" the past results showing what the trend is, will equal the probable outcome. That transition between seeing the results and coming to the conclusion, means you"believe" this out come to be true, based on past results. Because the linear line has been broken.
And who cares if it is off topic? It is an interesting discussion, and that is good enough for me.
And I just read Yiago's response to your statement and I agree with him.
Legions

United States

#137176 Sep 16, 2014
I was raised is a religious cult that made life in school horrible. We were not allowed to say the pledge because we only pledged our allegiance to God. Being no part of the world meant we didn't celebrate any holidays so whenever there was a Christmas party or a birthday party, we got to go sit in the principles office. Then we had to dress up Saturday mornings and go knock on doors telling people the good news that God was going to kill them if they didn't believe the way I do. I hated doing that and was always scared I was going to run into one of my classmates.

To top it all off we had it beat into our heads that we were living in the last days and anyone who was alive during 1914 would see Jesus return to kill off everyone who wasn't part of my religion. We were not allowed to go to college because it was pointless since God didn't need lawyers and doctors so we spent every spare second we had going door to door just like the good book tells us.

When I turned 18 and left because I didn't want to live with those assholes and would rather God kill me, I was shunned by all my family and friends I grew up with. My own family isn't even allowed to talk to me because that's what the bible says, not to even eat with such ones.

So yeah, religion is a bunch of sht and it does hurt people, especially kids. The same religion I was raised in has also been fighting many battles in court over their "two witness rule" that they got out of the bible that requires a child being abused to have a witness to the crime and their word isn't good enough. They handle it withing their "church" and don't get the police involved. They just had to pay out 28 million to one of the abused kids.

I don't understand why religions don't use their big tax free church to teach their lies and let the schools teach facts. Parents would get so upset if their child comes home and repeats a bible teaching that they don't agree with. Religions can't even agree on major beliefs yet they want the schools to teach what they believe and not what someone else might believe. What the hell is wrong with your guys churches? Do they not work so you need the schools to do your jobs?
colt 45

United States

#137177 Sep 16, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
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And who cares if it is off topic? It is an interesting discussion, and that is good enough for me.
And I just read Yiago's response to your statement and I agree with him.
homosexual u are.
colt 45

United States

#137178 Sep 16, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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My, my... how spiritually fit you are. I almost missed it beneath your rabid hostility. Seems like you've got the same disease as many other fundies who've passed though here - a complete inability to be honest with yourself and others.
Not sure how you missed the part of the Bible that tells you not to bear false witness against your neighbor. It's a pretty famous part of it given by God's Own Voice. Perhaps you think it's one of those rules you don't need to abide by because Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? I'd wager he'd have disagreed.
homosexual. U are.
357 m is better

Hyden, KY

#137179 Sep 16, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>homosexual. U are.
names label's and numbers i bet you a repub..
colt 45

United States

#137180 Sep 16, 2014
357 m is better wrote:
<quoted text> names label's and numbers i bet you a repub..
Just a person that believes in the Lord that's all.

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