Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 172889 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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colt 45

United States

#137140 Sep 15, 2014
I'm a true wise man rolling with Jesus.

Since: Mar 14

Hervey Bay, Australia

#137141 Sep 15, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So the bible story is worthless?
And The Lord said. Cross the river, find your heart. Be different and powerful. Stu

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137142 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>what do u believe in man???
That is an open ended question. You'll have to be more specific.

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#137143 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
This is bible study rules for public schools proposed. I believe in God. Some people as strayed away from the topics and yes we all can have our on beliefs.
Read the original article. The proposition was to include biblical verses as historic references to Christianity's impact on western civilization, not to promote religious observance. As I stated, I have little issue with including excerpts from the Torah, Bible and Koran as historic texts in a history or comparative religion class - just leave out the mumbo jumbo crap. THAT is straying from the subject. The fact that those who cannot separate history from fiction keep trying to insert their religious beliefs into public schools is the argument against allowing the use of biblical passages in the curriculum.

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#137144 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
I'm a true wise man rolling with Jesus.
Yet another unsubstantiated statement.

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#137145 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
This is bible study rules for public schools proposed. I believe in God. Some people as strayed away from the topics and yes we all can have our on beliefs.
FYI, the bill died - which is as it should be since it was divisive legislation pandering to the religious constituents in the first place.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#137146 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
I'm a true wise man rolling with Jesus.
Which one of you have dudes moms panties on their head? That Jesus, He'll hang with anybody..

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137147 Sep 15, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
OK, Quantummist I have a question. I'm not debating the varying scientific context of belief, since I don't have a scientific background to debate that. But I would like for you to answer this. Using evolution as an example. The fossil record shows that evolution was a fact. You can see how an ancient whale like creature evolved from a water mammal to a land like wolf mammal. So what happens when the linear line is broken? Say for example, in the chain of human evolution. There are missing links. Someone may say,” knowing how all other species evolved, humans must have evolved the same way.(I think I know). Exe. From ape like creature, to more human like creature, to even more human like creature, to all of a sudden human. The probability is that, the assumption is correct. But, how is filling in that linear missing “Gap” any different than “guessing “or “believing” it to be so, based on past experience. There is a gap in the linear line. Anything could have happened in that gap. Is it Probable, No. Is it Possible, Yes. So I would think that you would have to Assume, Guess, or believe that, Evolution continued on its path to where it is now. Then draw the Conclusion that =(I think I know).
Well first you have the whale evolution backwards. The wolf like animal evolved to become whale.
There are links known that show the evolution of ancient apes to man. Probably more so than the fossils of whale evolution. There are 22 different known hominids as of now that link humans to apes over the span of nine million years. There will always be missing links, as evolution looks to be in punctuated bursts, thus few fossils would be likely of all transitional phases.
It is not a blind guess to assume the transition, it is an educated conclusion. Assuming it was due to a god would be a guess, as there is absolutely zero evidence in which to make such a conclusion.
I think of it like a court case. You may not have seen the murder happen, but the evidence left behind can leave one to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt who the murderer was.
The mass of evidence of evolution in general shows how similar animals are often related. No other animal comes as close to humans as apes do. And that relation is extremely close, more so than many species. DNA proves it, as does the fossil record.
Note how many creationists claim the evidence is fraudulent? Surely because if they acknowledged its validity, the case would be closed.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137149 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>what do you believe In??
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#137150 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
I'm a true wise man rolling with Jesus.
Oh the arrogance. What happened to the idea of the meek inheriting the earth? Christians rarely follow what their Christ said. Typical hypocrites.
BRAIN STORM

Campbellsville, KY

#137151 Sep 15, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>
Well first you have the whale evolution backwards. The wolf like animal evolved to become whale.
There are links known that show the evolution of ancient apes to man. Probably more so than the fossils of whale evolution. There are 22 different known hominids as of now that link humans to apes over the span of nine million years. There will always be missing links, as evolution looks to be in punctuated bursts, thus few fossils would be likely of all transitional phases.
It is not a blind guess to assume the transition, it is an educated conclusion. Assuming it was due to a god would be a guess, as there is absolutely zero evidence in which to make such a conclusion.
I think of it like a court case. You may not have seen the murder happen, but the evidence left behind can leave one to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt who the murderer was.
The mass of evidence of evolution in general shows how similar animals are often related. No other animal comes as close to humans as apes do. And that relation is extremely close, more so than many species. DNA proves it, as does the fossil record.
Note how many creationists claim the evidence is fraudulent? Surely because if they acknowledged its validity, the case would be closed.
We seem to be getting off topic, as someone pointed out, and I don't want to highjack the thread.So, I will try to make this my last challenge to this "Belief" issue. I see what you are saying between a (known) discipline being science, and a Belief system being religion. I Do. My issue is with the "thought process" when drawing the conclusions. You seem to be stating a double standard. Yes one is going off of religion and one from science. And as I said before, science can look at past results and come up with an Educated guess based on past experiences and results. But there are still "Gaps" in science where there are unknowns. If something is not 100% known a conclusion must be drawn to fill that gap. Whether that conclusion is based on Educated Guessing, Past results, whatever, an unknown conclusion has to be drawn to fill that gap. "That Gap", That decision to answer the question using past results, means that you "believe" the ( Past) Science result to be accurate, to answer the unknown question at hand. And knowing those past results you can hypothesize the transitional outcome. Had there not been an 'Unknown" you can state for a fact something is true. Again, the transition from gap to conclusion being =(I think I know) means you have to" Believe" the past results showing what the trend is, will equal the probable outcome. That transition between seeing the results and coming to the conclusion, means you"believe" this out come to be true, based on past results. Because the linear line has been broken.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#137152 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>don't need them done got five. Plus got your mom's panties as a trophy.
Stay away from children. You are a sick troll.
truth teller

Pineville, KY

#137153 Sep 15, 2014
When I read what the "for" people are saying about his issue... You can easily tell that their kids are not capable of doing real school work. The parents that want the bible taught in school are trying to save their kids from shame of not knowing anything but maybe a few bible quotes like their parents. One of Bell county's problem is that people around here if you mention say, corruption, the standard reply will be, "don't worry let the good lord handle it". Well thats why this place leads the nation in all things that are bad. Because that has always been the message around here. Well now you want to make sure the next generation has been as dumb as the last.

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#137154 Sep 15, 2014
BRAIN STORM wrote:
OK, Quantummist I have a question. I'm not debating the varying scientific context of belief, since I don't have a scientific background to debate that. But I would like for you to answer this. Using evolution as an example. The fossil record shows that evolution was a fact. You can see how an ancient whale like creature evolved from a water mammal to a land like wolf mammal. So what happens when the linear line is broken? Say for example, in the chain of human evolution. There are missing links. Someone may say,” knowing how all other species evolved, humans must have evolved the same way.(I think I know). Exe. From ape like creature, to more human like creature, to even more human like creature, to all of a sudden human. The probability is that, the assumption is correct. But, how is filling in that linear missing “Gap” any different than “guessing “or “believing” it to be so, based on past experience. There is a gap in the linear line. Anything could have happened in that gap. Is it Probable, No. Is it Possible, Yes. So I would think that you would have to Assume, Guess, or believe that, Evolution continued on its path to where it is now. Then draw the Conclusion that =(I think I know).
Well, there aren't any "gaps" as they are commonly described by Creationists. Evolution is on a continuum (often punctuated, as has been pointed out). But it is not an either-or affair. Go back a few thousand years and you'll note a few minor differences in people on the whole. Go back a few more and you'll note a few more. Keep doing that and you may realize you aren't even looking at people anymore, but something else. When did it happen?

So the idea of a gap is a little bit fallacious.

Now, the idea you are hitting at here regarding belief is, I think, similar to the famous argument made by David Hume. I don't remember the name of it off the top of my head but it basically says that you have no justification for thinking that what happened in the past will continue to happen in the future. We lack the ability to connect events in time to a rigorous philosophical degree.

Yet connecting events is exactly how we know anything at all about the world. So we do in fact assume evolution happens even when we can't find a good fossil for some particular stage of an animal's past. This is not a matter of faith, but a matter of reason. For would it not be far more curious and require far more faith to assume that evolution DID NOT happen during some period of time?

Its the best we can do. And it works.
colt 45

United States

#137155 Sep 15, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Which one of you have dudes moms panties on their head? That Jesus, He'll hang with anybody..
dam straight......
colt 45

United States

#137156 Sep 15, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
That is an open ended question. You'll have to be more specific.
you are a homosexual who's afraid that God don't love u just repent.
colt 45

United States

#137157 Sep 15, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the original article. The proposition was to include biblical verses as historic references to Christianity's impact on western civilization, not to promote religious observance. As I stated, I have little issue with including excerpts from the Torah, Bible and Koran as historic texts in a history or comparative religion class - just leave out the mumbo jumbo crap. THAT is straying from the subject. The fact that those who cannot separate history from fiction keep trying to insert their religious beliefs into public schools is the argument against allowing the use of biblical passages in the curriculum.
That u wrote on your homosexual. Lifestyle...of a guy in search of Ali Bob a.
colt 45

United States

#137158 Sep 15, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Same here so what's the big deal??? I'm not forcing religion on u..

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137159 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>you are a homosexual who's afraid that God don't love u just repent.
My, my... how spiritually fit you are. I almost missed it beneath your rabid hostility. Seems like you've got the same disease as many other fundies who've passed though here - a complete inability to be honest with yourself and others.
Not sure how you missed the part of the Bible that tells you not to bear false witness against your neighbor. It's a pretty famous part of it given by God's Own Voice. Perhaps you think it's one of those rules you don't need to abide by because Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? I'd wager he'd have disagreed.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#137160 Sep 15, 2014
colt 45 wrote:
<quoted text>
That u wrote on your homosexual. Lifestyle...of a guy in search of Ali Bob a.
That makes no sense. It is in no way relevant to my post, the thread topic or even any tangent to the topic. Childish attempts to insult doesn't support any position you have or will offer - unless you are just here to be a troll. <shrug> whatever.

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