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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 158082 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#135852 Aug 13, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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I asked about what I caught at the end of a program and shared the little I heard; hoping someone here might have more information, so I could try to locate the program to watch in its entirety. It's plain and no claim was made regarding this. I asked if anyone knew when the theory of evolution was first taught in the public schools...and that is a question, not a claim. I heard somethings that peaked my interest and wanted to get the full story...the end.
Your claim was "it would be important to know". Now you cannot explain what would be important about that information.
I see you cannot comprehend this conversation.
AAA

United States

#135853 Aug 13, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
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I see you still cannot comprehend a simple definition. Not my problem.
Many Christians and other believers of gods also believe in evolution. Are you claiming they lack faith?
Leaving the door open for you or someone to produce a god does not mean I believe it will ever happen. I seriously do not think it will happen. But I am not so arrogant as to claim something that cannot be absolutely known. The existence of a god cannot be absolutely known.
But how is a person who cannot understand definitions to understand what I just said? I have little hope you can even comprehend my words.
Oh,,, I believe I comprehend just fine!! You along with most of the other atheist on here are saying you believe in the evolution of species even though you DO NOT have fact/proof of it, only theories!!

That's called faith Mike,, you have faith in the theory of evolution!! You even want it taught in schools as fact knowing there is no fact/proof!

You yourself can not admit you are 100% positive that you are correct, or you wouldn't leave the loop hole of there "might be a God, god, or gods"!!

You say you do not want Bible Study in school because there's no fact/proof to back it up, but you are fine with the evolution of species taught in school with no fact/proof!!

Yeah,, I think that pretty much sums it up!!

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Location hidden

#135854 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
<quoted text>Oh,,, I believe I comprehend just fine!! You along with most of the other atheist on here are saying you believe in the evolution of species even though you DO NOT have fact/proof of it, only theories!!
That's called faith Mike,, you have faith in the theory of evolution!! You even want it taught in schools as fact knowing there is no fact/proof!
You yourself can not admit you are 100% positive that you are correct, or you wouldn't leave the loop hole of there "might be a God, god, or gods"!!
You say you do not want Bible Study in school because there's no fact/proof to back it up, but you are fine with the evolution of species taught in school with no fact/proof!!
Yeah,, I think that pretty much sums it up!!
Evolution has mountains of evidence showing it to be true. This evidence has already been listed and linked to you, and includes genetic evidence, the fossil record, comparative anatomy, and biogeography.
AAA

United States

#135855 Aug 13, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Evolution has mountains of evidence showing it to be true. This evidence has already been listed and linked to you, and includes genetic evidence, the fossil record, comparative anatomy, and biogeography.
You have evidence that an evolutionist has researched and then theorized about it, and not all evolutionist come up with the same THEORY!

Creationist also have the same evidence that they have researched and theorized, coming up with several different theories.

Yet,, you want evolution of species taught as fact in classrooms when there is NO fact/proof to back it up!

That would be hypocritical for you to be against the religion of Christianity to be taught in schools, and be for the religion of evolution.

I myself, am against both. I do not think any religion should be taught in schools,, however I am for the Bible Study classes that are taking place in public school systems in my area. I'm not even against the THEORY of evolution being taught as a THEORY, just against it being taught as fact, like several school books portray it!

In my opinion the THEORY of evolution turns more students to the Bible searching for answers, because no matter how you spin it,, the lack of evidence and the THEORY of nothing+nothing = everything in the universe today is just crazy!!

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#135856 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
<quoted text>You have evidence that an evolutionist has researched and then theorized about it, and not all evolutionist come up with the same THEORY!
Virtually all scientists support evolution. The only ones who reject it, reject it because it conflicts with their religious beliefs.
AAA wrote:
Creationist also have the same evidence that they have researched and theorized, coming up with several different theories.
False.

For one, Creationists have not presented any scientific theories. Secondly, Creationists are dependent on ignoring the evidence.
AAA wrote:
Yet,, you want evolution of species taught as fact in classrooms when there is NO fact/proof to back it up!
Speciation has been directly observed both in the laboratory and in the field.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciatio...
AAA wrote:
That would be hypocritical for you to be against the religion of Christianity to be taught in schools, and be for the religion of evolution.
Evolution is a science, not a religion, so there is no hypocrisy.
AAA wrote:
In my opinion the THEORY of evolution turns more students to the Bible searching for answers, because no matter how you spin it,, the lack of evidence and the THEORY of nothing+nothing = everything in the universe today is just crazy!!
Why would evolution turn students to the Bible? It's existence shows that the Bible is literally wrong.
SNYB

Elyria, OH

#135857 Aug 13, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Another non-sequitur. My, my. Already trying to invoke Godwin's Law when no one even knows what you are babbling about.
Nice that you're listening-that's a GOOD thing...it tells me you still have some brain cell activity attributable to being here in the land of the LIVING and of ones own mind, UNtoxicficated...with the REST of us that are also UNtoxicficated--as it SHOULD BE.
(and YES, you CAN-- Count on the Fact--that we're WATCHING TOO... Mr.)
SNYB

Elyria, OH

#135858 Aug 13, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth..." Ipso facto, the planet was created at the same instant as the universe. Wait - that's inconsistent with the evidence, isn't it? I guess I'd better cherry pick the verses and make them fit the physics like you did.
Or is it that the Earths "heavens" came into "play" around the same time as the Earth...which actually if one THOUGHT about it, makes perfectly logical SENSE, because how on Earth could any "Earths' heavens" have existed with out the "Earth" itself??

(nice try though duhmbo worm.)
SNYB

Elyria, OH

#135859 Aug 13, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The Bible tells fundies it is good to believe in things that aren't there. Apparently that spills over into encyclopedia entries, scientific studies and dictionary definitions.
See...that's why PSYCHO-delics should never be used in any sort of laissez fare manner...as they're known to cause brain cell (as well as other types of) damage.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#135860 Aug 13, 2014
Lucifer wrote:
<quoted text>They require a sexual act. It's heresy. Man made for woman, woman for man. All else should burn. Degeneration of the human race.
Nope... There is no need for any sexual act to procreate at this point in human evolution... The rest you typed is just brain farting....

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#135861 Aug 13, 2014
Curious wrote:
What Does It Really Prove?
The mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions.
Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few.
Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind
From Answers in Genesis - an article by Dr Georgia Purdom

Here's a tip for you. If you get an argument about science from a creationist site, it's probably inaccurate in some way.

Tell me something please: Would you go to a science website for answers on religion?

Of course you wouldn't!

Yet you expect me to accept an answer on science from a religious website?

Come on, curious - you can do better than that.

Anyway, back to Dr Georgia Purdom: If anyone has the intestinal fortitude, they can get her view on science right here....

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/16...

"Ugh. Georgia Purdom is a blind weasel: for example, she berates Christian evolutionists for “interpreting” the bible instead of reading it literally, and then says,“We know from scripture that the earth is no more than 6000 years old:. The bible says nothing of the kind. That is a product of peculiar interpretations of the book.

Then when Shermer presses her on what kinds of experiments she would do to test her assertions, she says,“We wouldn’t do that because we know there’s no point in doing that, because the Bible has the answer.” There’s no science there; that’s a plain admission."

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Let's face it, there's no escaping the fact that science has backed creationists into a corner. This leaves creationists with few options, other than to come up with increasingly ridiculous suggestions to fit the growing number of facts into their belief system.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#135862 Aug 13, 2014
Quantummist wrote:
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Nope... There is no need for any sexual act to procreate at this point in human evolution... The rest you typed is just brain farting....
You can make $6000 a year, jerking for Jesus.

If the man is one of the lucky 5 percent of applicants who are accepted to donate, he will be paid from $40 to $100 for each semen sample. A donator can sire a maximum of 10 children and potentially make up to $6,000 in a year. Sperm donation is usually motivated by money rather than altruism.

http://web.stanford.edu/class/siw198q/website...

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#135863 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
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So you must think the Bible nor evolution of species should be taught as fact??
Evolution can be taught as theory.

The same as gravity, gasses, atomic structure, planetary motion, etc.

The Bible fails to come near the giddy heights of theory. In fact, it doesn't even belong on the same shelf.

The Bible belongs next to the Koran, Gitas and other myth books..

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#135864 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
only theories!!
"Members of the general public (along with people with an ideological axe to grind) hear the word "theory" and equate it with "idea" or "supposition." We know better. Scientific theories are entire systems of testable ideas which are potentially refutable either by the evidence at hand or an experiment that somebody could perform. The best theories (in which I include special relativity, quantum mechanics, and evolution) have withstood a hundred years or more of challenges, either from people who want to prove themselves smarter than Einstein, or from people who don't like metaphysical challenges to their world view. Finally, theories are malleable, but not infinitely so.

Theories can be found to be incomplete or wrong in some particular detail without the entire edifice being torn down. Evolution has, itself, adapted a lot over the years, but not so much that it wouldn't still be recognisable. The problem with the phrase "just a theory," is that it implies a real scientific theory is a small thing, and it isn't."

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#135865 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
Creationist also have the same evidence that they have researched and theorized, coming up with several different theories.
Here is one of your creationist leaders giving her idea of research...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/16...

"Ugh. Georgia Purdom is a blind weasel: for example, she berates Christian evolutionists for “interpreting” the bible instead of reading it literally, and then says,“We know from scripture that the earth is no more than 6000 years old:. The bible says nothing of the kind. That is a product of peculiar interpretations of the book.

Then when Shermer presses her on what kinds of experiments she would do to test her assertions, she says,“We wouldn’t do that because we know there’s no point in doing that, because the Bible has the answer.” There’s no science there; that’s a plain admission."

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#135866 Aug 13, 2014
spaceship wrote:
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You can make $6000 a year, jerking for Jesus.
If the man is one of the lucky 5 percent of applicants who are accepted to donate, he will be paid from $40 to $100 for each semen sample. A donator can sire a maximum of 10 children and potentially make up to $6,000 in a year. Sperm donation is usually motivated by money rather than altruism.
http://web.stanford.edu/class/siw198q/website...
"The donation process is simple. The man walks into a private room which is usually stocked with pornography and masturbates into a sterile container."

That'll be the medicare method.

I guess those with better insurance can get a helping hand from a nurse.
Curious

Winter Garden, FL

#135867 Aug 13, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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From Answers in Genesis - an article by Dr Georgia Purdom
Here's a tip for you. If you get an argument about science from a creationist site, it's probably inaccurate in some way.
Tell me something please: Would you go to a science website for answers on religion?
Of course you wouldn't!
Yet you expect me to accept an answer on science from a religious website?
Come on, curious - you can do better than that.
Anyway, back to Dr Georgia Purdom: If anyone has the intestinal fortitude, they can get her view on science right here....
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/16...
"Ugh. Georgia Purdom is a blind weasel: for example, she berates Christian evolutionists for “interpreting” the bible instead of reading it literally, and then says,“We know from scripture that the earth is no more than 6000 years old:. The bible says nothing of the kind. That is a product of peculiar interpretations of the book.
Then when Shermer presses her on what kinds of experiments she would do to test her assertions, she says,“We wouldn’t do that because we know there’s no point in doing that, because the Bible has the answer.” There’s no science there; that’s a plain admission."
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Let's face it, there's no escaping the fact that science has backed creationists into a corner. This leaves creationists with few options, other than to come up with increasingly ridiculous suggestions to fit the growing number of facts into their belief system.
Why did you not dispute what I posted?
I am not interested in what Georgia Purdom's opinion is.
What I am still looking for atheist to provide is
the answer as to how we attained life,consciousness and intelligence that does not include ID" God"
Is nothing or no thing responsible as the creating agent?
How is it possible that life , consciousness and intelligence can emanate fron the nonliving,the nonconscious and nonintelligent? By accidental means? A FREAK OF NATURE?By magical powers? By the elements churning over billions of years?

It is atheists that have no options other than to believe that which is impossible.
They do not believe in God,therefore they look for natural answers where none is to be found.
That is made abundantly clear by their statements that they don't know
Either Something has always existed,long before the Universe , time and life came into being or , there was a time when nothing existed and nothing was able to create something out of nothing....Lunacy or magic?
By necessity,Something has to be eternal. That Something is what I call God.
We have been down this road before ans no one has provided a suitable explanation as to how nothing was able to create something out of nothing..
It is not a God of the gaps....It is common sense and logical

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#135868 Aug 13, 2014
Quantummist wrote:
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Nope... There is no need for any sexual act to procreate at this point in human evolution... The rest you typed is just brain farting....
My God man! That is Blasphemy! Haha!
I personally love procreating and why would anyone wanna go on w/out it ?
Nothing like a warm receptive woman.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#135869 Aug 13, 2014
AAA wrote:
<quoted text>Oh,,, I believe I comprehend just fine!! You along with most of the other atheist on here are saying you believe in the evolution of species even though you DO NOT have fact/proof of it, only theories!!
That's called faith Mike,, you have faith in the theory of evolution!! You even want it taught in schools as fact knowing there is no fact/proof!
You yourself can not admit you are 100% positive that you are correct, or you wouldn't leave the loop hole of there "might be a God, god, or gods"!!
You say you do not want Bible Study in school because there's no fact/proof to back it up, but you are fine with the evolution of species taught in school with no fact/proof!!
Yeah,, I think that pretty much sums it up!!
You claim to understand, yet do not demonstrate an understanding.
God has absolutely zero evidence of existence. This is why even religion asks for faith.
Evolution has tons of evidence, you just cannot comprehend it. This evidence allows it to be taught in school as fact, not myth.
The bible is religion. Religion is not for government to be promoting.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#135870 Aug 13, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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No, unfortunate things do happen but it does not change what must occur internally-in the heart of each person. God sees that person's heart and accepts their decision to be with him or not be with him.
I am not sure we are in agreement with what you feel is unfortunate, so please be more specific.
I do not feel a person decides what god to follow based upon holy ghosts, or any evidences. It is due to indoctrination. A person can believe in his heart a false god.
I see nothing you say addresses anything you respond to.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#135871 Aug 13, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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"The donation process is simple. The man walks into a private room which is usually stocked with pornography and masturbates into a sterile container."
That'll be the medicare method.
I guess those with better insurance can get a helping hand from a nurse.
They work on tips? I'll to check my Evidence of care booklet.

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