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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 170565 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#135743 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible sure does not allow room for doubt and question.
Most Christians get angry when questions are asked.
I keep hearing things like "just have faith" the words are true and good. Well that leaves little to no room for questions.
Telling a child he will go to hell if he does not believe is beyond indoctrination. It borders on mental terrorism.
Those who are in doubt should ask questions...the Bible is full of examples of those that did just that and more. When it is said to just have faith, it is not a blind something. The only way to have a certain type of faith is to know. I've heard many pastors use the example of a chair. Many people just sit down in a chair, believing that it will hold them. Why? Because, they have done it so many times before and the chair held them. The relationship with God is real and through reading, praying, studying, etc. and living life, Christians see God show up for them all the time.

Who tells a child they will go to hell if they don't believe? Just as with everyday life issues, there are certain things children cannot comprehend at a young age. The age of the child should be taken into account regarding spiritual things as well.

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#135744 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
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I did not make claim to how life started. I simply spoke of how it may have. I guess you cannot comprehend the written word to well.
So you do not believe the biblical story of how life came to be?
Life has only been started once as far as we can be sure of as of yet. It is possible life has started billions of times on billions of other planets, but until we can find this, I cannot show another time life has started for any examples.
Nature churning earth and elements needs no magic. I understand that you cannot fathom this churning of elements could result in creating things. I can.
I guess I cannot fathom some being that needed no creating force that is more intelligent than man, and can make humans in a day.
You have demonstrated no willingness to learn about the sciences in question. So it seems pretty clear you are just on a mission to mock science. Everything you say about science seems to be negative. You are clearly on a war with science, although you may deny that charge, I think you are in a war you do not know you are in. I think you are oblivious to many things.
My comprehension is fine and if you'd stop writing and breathe when you type, i may understand you better.

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#135745 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
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Let me demonstrate what a straw man argument is. No atheists here, or even any I know make a claim that we are the greatest thing created.
Most atheists here do claim their are things greater than themselves.
Thus you are not debating what we say or think. You are debating what is known as a straw man.
Excellent!
thank you Mike.

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#135746 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>80% of all humans follow the religion of their parents.
It only makes sense that a child would be inclined to believe what he was raised to believe. And if you feel Christianity is the only true religion, then explain why children of Muslims become Muslims?
From what I know, Jesus is the way given to bridge the broken relationship between God and man, as a result of sin.

How many % follow a certain religion can vary for many different reasons, factors, etc. My point is that even if one grows up in a house of Christians, it cannot, does not and will not make the person a Christian until they accept Jesus Christ on their own.

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#135747 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>All decisions are made in your head.
You have instincts and information from your environment in which to make decisions. If your environment is encouraging you strongly to chose a specific belief, it is less of a choice and more of an indoctrination.
It is instinctive to follow your parents.
Yes, the information we take in does contribute to making decisions.
There are environments that give information that unhealthy things and negative habits are alright. It may or may not take time but one can still find what is really true. Somethings may be instinctive (and others ingrained) but we have are own personality, temperaments, interests, motivations, etc. Many of the cult religions do brainwash and that is all-together a different things.

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#135748 Aug 11, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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Religion....ok but not Christianity.
The evidence from those that make up religion, it's true. It seems we are saying the same thing. There was a recent case of a Christian man married to a woman. The woman's family was Muslim. I didn't note the case well but I believe her mother became a Christian and she too chose to become a Christian but the country had her a Muslim because the father and family were Muslim. Her country wanted to charge her with apostasy (I believe) and kill her. With Christianity, being born into a Christian family will not make you a Christian. It is not about familiarity and many people from different religions accept Jesus (Christianity), eventhough they grew up learning something different. Again, those that grew up familiar with Christianity are not Christians until they accept Jesus Christ. To fairly state, there are those who choose not to be a Christian though it is familiar.
It's true, religion is taught.
You refer to the exception and not the rule.

For the vast majority of the world's believers, parentage, culture and birthplace define their choice of religion.

If you'd have been born and lived in Saudi Arabia, then it's odds on you would be a Sunni Muslim. If you'd been born in Iran chances are you'd be a Shi'a Muslim. If you'd been born in Israel during the first century BCE you'd have been an adherent of the Jewish faith. If you'd been born in medieval Europe, you'd see nothing wrong with killing witches and torturing heretics.

Billions of people all over the world have no good reason to believe in their respective faiths other than it was what they were born into and learned from their parents. The only reason they adopt their faith is down to social/cultural conditions and has little to do with studying a selection of faiths and picking one because you favour its doctrine over all the others.

I'm sorry but these things are close to being undeniable facts. Deny that and display your religious/chronological snobbery for all to see.

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#135749 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Telling a person he will be rewarded in heaven or punished in hell is akin to putting a gun to his head and saying, " make a choice.
The person is not choosing the religion, he/she is only going with what he has been lead to believe is real.
If he is convinced heaven is real and Jesus is the way to it, then rejecting that concept is not likely. In fact I would say impossible.
If that were truly as you state it, then people would not choose smoking when they know it leads to lung cancer, right? Yet, people choose to drink and drive, when they know they could take an innocent person's life. People choose to take drugs, when only one time could kill them. Fear is not enough to stop many.

Since: Apr 08

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#135750 Aug 11, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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Theory and Facts
There is an intricate relation between theory and fact. The popular understanding of this relationship obscures more than it illuminates. They are generally conceived as direct opposites. Theory is confused with speculation and theory remains speculation until it is proved. When this proof is made, theory becomes fact. Facts are thought to be definite, certain, without question and their meaning to be self-evident. Science is thought to be concerned with facts alone. Theory is supposed to be realm of philosophers. Scientific theory is therefore thought to be merely summation of facts that have been accumulated upon a given subject. However if we observe the way scientists actually do research, it becomes clear 1. Theory and fact are not diametrically opposed but inextricably intertwined.2. Theory is not speculation.3.Scientists are very much concerned with both theory and facts. A fact is regarded as an empirically verifiable observation. A theory refers to the relationship between facts or to the ordering of them in some meaningful way. Facts of science are the product of observations that are not random but meaningful, i.e., theoretically relevant. Therefore we cannot think of facts and theory as being opposed rather they are interrelated in many complex ways. The development of science can be considered as a constant interplay between theory and fact.
Continue reading source: http://www.sociologyguide.com/research-method...
It makes sense and I agree with the information shared on this site.
I was waiting for you to provide a list of facts that become facts after rather than before the theory.

Never mind.

Try reading your post again but this time, everytime you read the word "theory" substitute it with "evolution".

For theory is exactly what evolution is.

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#135751 Aug 11, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I have no idea what you watched. I asked to demonstrate your claim. You claimed it would be important to know the date.
I am not convinced you can actually follow this discussion.
OMG....oh my goodness. Important for me to gather more information about the program, so I can see it in its entirely...thank you very much. The little I caught was interesting...there is nothing for me to demonstrate, nor have I made any claims.

I need to convince you of my interest to locate a program I missed all except the last part of (and still have not located to date)....lol.

Again, thanks to all who did contribute...it is appreciated.

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#135752 Aug 11, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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That's ultimately true of any religion. It's a choice. The choice is usually STRONGLY guided by parents.
Christianity is not unique in this issue.
Ok...religion. Christianity is definitely unique.

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#135753 Aug 11, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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I was waiting for you to provide a list of facts that become facts after rather than before the theory.
Never mind.
Try reading your post again but this time, everytime you read the word "theory" substitute it with "evolution".
For theory is exactly what evolution is.
My response post (page 6441) was... "Facts can come from theories...is more accurate".

It was my very intention to respond with a list as well, but after reading some, it can go both ways. Of course, it can go both ways and I concur with the site source.

Evolution is not the only theory, why would I?

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#135754 Aug 11, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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Ok...religion. Christianity is definitely unique.
How so?

“Trying to live a good life”

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#135755 Aug 11, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Genetics is a theory? The fossil record is a theory? Anatomy is a theory?
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Speciation is macroevolution.
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You're a dolt who doesn't know the first thing about this issue.
Ok,, let's start with your evidence, your proof in the fossil record,,, not someone's theory of what they think the fossil record shows,, let's see your proof of evolution of species in the fossil record!!

Here's your chance,, there might be someone reading this that's on the fence,, let's see you sway them with your proof of the fossil record showing evolution of species!!

Since: Apr 08

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#135756 Aug 11, 2014
chinwendu1 wrote:
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My response post (page 6441) was... "Facts can come from theories...is more accurate".
It was my very intention to respond with a list as well, but after reading some, it can go both ways. Of course, it can go both ways and I concur with the site source.
Evolution is not the only theory, why would I?
Because your article shows the link between facts and theories.

So the next time you hear someone dismiss evolution as being "only a theory", remember that it is inextricably linked to the facts.

Since: Apr 08

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#135757 Aug 11, 2014
7th Trump wrote:
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Ok,, let's start with your evidence, your proof in the fossil record,,, not someone's theory of what they think the fossil record shows,, let's see your proof of evolution of species in the fossil record!!
Here's your chance,, there might be someone reading this that's on the fence,, let's see you sway them with your proof of the fossil record showing evolution of species!!
You ask for proof when none of our many and varied theories provide proofs.

A theory represents our best explanation for observable phenomena. An explanation free from magic, ju-ju and superstitious mumbo jumbo.

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#135758 Aug 11, 2014
7th Trump wrote:
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Ok,, let's start with your evidence, your proof in the fossil record,,, not someone's theory of what they think the fossil record shows,, let's see your proof of evolution of species in the fossil record!!
Here's your chance,, there might be someone reading this that's on the fence,, let's see you sway them with your proof of the fossil record showing evolution of species!!
The fossil record shows a clear, and undeniable transition from simple, and more foreign, forms of life, to more complex, modern forms of life.

The transition matches exactly what evolution predicts. There are no elephants at the bottom, or humans in the middle. The top is not filled with simple forms of life.

We even have transitions forms from early hominids to modern humans.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...

There is no theory that can explain the fossil record other than evolution, which not only explains it, but predicted many of its finds.

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#135759 Aug 11, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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"Myopic" because what you're willing to feel are facts are lies and visa versa. I cannot offer you respect because I don't think that it matters to you what objective information and evidence is presented here. You will in all likelihood dismissively turn and return to apologist and pseudoscience propaganda as your authoritative "Truth." You do not want a photograph, you want your pretty picture.
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"Fascination" because you seem fixated on the ToE as if it validated or invalidated the writing of the Bible and the creation of your doctrines. I'm sure that you've been told it does or you wouldn't have made such an inane proclamation. I stated that if you had (more) knowledge you would probably not hold the beliefs you do now (see above). Without gaining any further knowledge whatsoever, you maintain that your opinions cannot change.
What 'you' think I feel does not make anything myopic. As well, your thinking you know what does and does not matter to me has nothing to do with respect. I offer respect whether you accept or not, whether you agree or disagrees with what I believe and if you choose not to offer the same, then you have ended the discussion on that note.

You will never think or say enough for me to ignore what I know and have evidence of and you have the same choice. Propaganda transforms no one and it cannot save one soul. The Bible is a pretty picture? How? God is too brilliant and the Bible reveals his love for us and all that he has done to save us from ourselves. It tells the good and the bad...all accounts are definitely not a pretty picture.

Again, no fascination...nor do I need to or feel any need to validate the Bible. You say what you believe and I do the same, so why are you reading something more into what I am definitely not saying?

Do you have all the knowledge you need? No one does. I will continue to learn but I have more than enough information and knowledge about God (the creator of heaven, earth and mankind) to make an informed, sound and well researched decision. After all, my belief in God is more and not less. Why would I change my opinion about God because you choose not to believe his existence? Most notably, you have shared no information, knowledge or evidence that demonstrates God does not exist.

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#135760 Aug 11, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Because your article shows the link between facts and theories.
So the next time you hear someone dismiss evolution as being "only a theory", remember that it is inextricably linked to the facts.
lol....that is a good one :)

Did you read all of the source...because there is more to the inextricable link?

“Trying to live a good life”

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#135761 Aug 11, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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You ask for proof when none of our many and varied theories provide proofs.
A theory represents our best explanation for observable phenomena. An explanation free from magic, ju-ju and superstitious mumbo jumbo.
You're correct,, I asked for proof when none of your many and varied THEORIES provide proof.

Box said he or she could provide truth.

Teach it as THEORY not fact. Too many evolutionist try to pass off their THEORIES as fact. They let their faith in their religion get the better of themselves and TRY to pass off THEORY as fact.

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#135762 Aug 11, 2014
7th Trump wrote:
Teach it as THEORY not fact. Too many evolutionist try to pass off their THEORIES as fact. They let their faith in their religion get the better of themselves and TRY to pass off THEORY as fact.
Evolution is a fact. The scientific theory explains the 'how' behind that fact.

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