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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 161002 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#129630 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
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Insanity? I give you atheists credit for one thing. You're experts at picking and choosing. The Jews were targets of hatred and murder long before Christianity.
But that doesn't fit the atheist narrative... Does it?
The Jews were targets of hatred but Christians took it to an altogether different level. And there was me thinking that Christians were supposed to be loving.

The NT refers to Jews as dogs, snakes and a vipers brood who cannot escape being condemned to Hell. They're the people on whom God brought a "numbness of spirit" and gave them "blind eyes and deaf ears"

The NT tells us that they're hypocrites and deaf to the truth. No less a person than Jesus told Jews who rejected him that their father was the devil and they chose to carry out their father's desires. Look yourself, there are other passages of anti-semitic text in the NT.

The Gospels contain scriptures that malign the Jews and disseminate hatred towards them. It seems to me that it suited the early Christians to blame the Jews to avoid upsetting the Romans. It would make it much easier to continue practicing this new religion if they kept Rome sweet.

Then came the early church fathers:

Tertullian told us that Israel is never clean - its hands foerever stained with blood

Origen stated that the blood of the Jews falls not just on the Jews of that time but of all Jews up to the end of the world.

Saint Ephraeum Syrus called the Jews "circumcised dogs"

Saint Gregory of Nyssa said the Jews were slayers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, enemies and haters of God.

John Chrysostom wrote "Eight Homilies Against the Jews" which tell us about the despicable nature of Judaism and of the Jewish people who were driven to the ultimate evil. Christians are warned not to come into contact with Jews, a people who within them, demons dwell and their mothers ate their own babies. Chrysostom tells us that the Jews cause is lost and they can expect no atonement.

I'm hardly scratching the surface here and much more anti-Jewish invective existed. With such writings and sermons, it's little wonder that a hatred of Jews became indelibly stamped on the mindset of Christianity.

Fuelled by the anti-Semitism of their leaders, Christians attacked and destroyed synagogues. The earliest recorded Christian pogrom of the Jews was in 414 CE in Alexandria where the Jewish community was pretty much eradicated.

With such a strong anti-Jewish mindset it wasn't long before repressive laws were created.

The Synod of Elvira forbade Jewish men from having sex with Christian women. It didn't ban Christian men from having sex with Jewish women. Jews couldn't marry Christians or even share a meal with them.

A few years later at the Council of Nicea, Christian clergy were forbidden to hold conversations with Jews.

Then along came the Codex Theodosianus which laid down a slew of anti-Jewish laws. These pretty much turned the Jews' status into that of an underclass and they were banned from the administrative, military and legal professions.

Further laws followed and the religious hatred of Christians toward Jews became state laws.

Hatred of the Jews was pretty trendy in the middle ages. Pope Innocent III used his influence by putting pressure on Christian rulers of other nations to remove Jews from public office.

Innocent added a preambles of his own to the papal manuscript "Sicut Judeis" in which he says that the Jews are not to be wiped out completely. In other words it's OK to partially wipe them out. Right.

On an on went the attacks on Jewishness. Further laws were passed and ghettos were set up for the Jews to live in. Life as a Jew in Christendom was truly hellish.
John

Florence, KY

#129631 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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I think it's "picking and choosing" to ignore Christian Europe's long history of antisemetism and the role it played in the Holocaust.
Martin Luther is one of the most influential Christian thinkers of all time and promoted the killing of Jews who would not convert to Christianity.
Christian Europe? Christians are told to love their enemies. I could argue that a lot of American Jews had a hand in the Holocaust. It's well documented that the New York Times (a Jewish owned paper) did next to nothing.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04...

A Christian thinker and a practicing Christian are 2 different things.
John

Florence, KY

#129632 May 2, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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The Jews were targets of hatred but Christians took it to an altogether different level. And there was me thinking that Christians were supposed to be loving.
The NT refers to Jews as dogs, snakes and a vipers brood who cannot escape being condemned to Hell. They're the people on whom God brought a "numbness of spirit" and gave them "blind eyes and deaf ears"
The NT tells us that they're hypocrites and deaf to the truth. No less a person than Jesus told Jews who rejected him that their father was the devil and they chose to carry out their father's desires. Look yourself, there are other passages of anti-semitic text in the NT.
The Gospels contain scriptures that malign the Jews and disseminate hatred towards them. It seems to me that it suited the early Christians to blame the Jews to avoid upsetting the Romans. It would make it much easier to continue practicing this new religion if they kept Rome sweet.
Then came the early church fathers:
Tertullian told us that Israel is never clean - its hands foerever stained with blood
Origen stated that the blood of the Jews falls not just on the Jews of that time but of all Jews up to the end of the world.
Saint Ephraeum Syrus called the Jews "circumcised dogs"
Saint Gregory of Nyssa said the Jews were slayers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, enemies and haters of God.
John Chrysostom wrote "Eight Homilies Against the Jews" which tell us about the despicable nature of Judaism and of the Jewish people who were driven to the ultimate evil. Christians are warned not to come into contact with Jews, a people who within them, demons dwell and their mothers ate their own babies. Chrysostom tells us that the Jews cause is lost and they can expect no atonement.
I'm hardly scratching the surface here and much more anti-Jewish invective existed. With such writings and sermons, it's little wonder that a hatred of Jews became indelibly stamped on the mindset of Christianity.
Fuelled by the anti-Semitism of their leaders, Christians attacked and destroyed synagogues. The earliest recorded Christian pogrom of the Jews was in 414 CE in Alexandria where the Jewish community was pretty much eradicated.
With such a strong anti-Jewish mindset it wasn't long before repressive laws were created.
The Synod of Elvira forbade Jewish men from having sex with Christian women. It didn't ban Christian men from having sex with Jewish women. Jews couldn't marry Christians or even share a meal with them.
A few years later at the Council of Nicea, Christian clergy were forbidden to hold conversations with Jews.
Then along came the Codex Theodosianus which laid down a slew of anti-Jewish laws. These pretty much turned the Jews' status into that of an underclass and they were banned from the administrative, military and legal professions.
Further laws followed and the religious hatred of Christians toward Jews became state laws.
Hatred of the Jews was pretty trendy in the middle ages. Pope Innocent III used his influence by putting pressure on Christian rulers of other nations to remove Jews from public office.
Innocent added a preambles of his own to the papal manuscript "Sicut Judeis" in which he says that the Jews are not to be wiped out completely. In other words it's OK to partially wipe them out. Right.
On an on went the attacks on Jewishness. Further laws were passed and ghettos were set up for the Jews to live in. Life as a Jew in Christendom was truly hellish.
That's a whole lot on nothing there buddy. In case you missed it Jesus was referring to you and everyone else also. Who's your father?

BTW... The NT was also written by Jews. Paul having the honor of being both Jewish and a Roman citizen

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#129633 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
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Christian Europe? Christians are told to love their enemies. I could argue that a lot of American Jews had a hand in the Holocaust. It's well documented that the New York Times (a Jewish owned paper) did next to nothing.
What? Are you really saying that under-reporting something is the same as participating in it?
John wrote:
A Christian thinker and a practicing Christian are 2 different things.
So Martin Luther wasn't a Christian?
John

Florence, KY

#129634 May 2, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Quite simply, Christians believe that Jews murdered Jesus, It's no wonder that the Jews have been the subject of intolerance, hatred and murder since the early years of the Christian Church. This led to anti-Semitism becoming an integral part of Christian doctrine.
The Church passed various laws and enactments which stripped away any rights that the Jews had. Christians accused the Jews of the most vile and evil crimes, leading to the insane idea of the "blood libel" - something so evil and twisted it could only have come from the Christian Church.
Try looking up "Host Desecration" if you want a laugh at further Christian stupidity and ignorance. We all know the cannibalistic side to those Christians who genuinely believed that the crackers they would eat transformed into the body of Jesus. Such was the level of Christian insanity that they believed the Jews would want to torture these crackers in an attempt to hurt the body of Christ.
Both the Blood Libel and the Host Desecration led to the deaths of thousands of Jews.
Didn't the Catholic Church charge the entire Jewish people with deicide? I'm sure that would have fired up even greater levels of hatred in those christian heads.
No wonder Hitler targeted the Jews. He was simply taking the hatred and murderous intolerance of the Christian Church to new levels of insanity.
BTW... I love the ways you atheists dodge the link about Hitler's bible. Not surprising! It doesn't fit your narrative.

You atheist think you're smart. Deflect, ignore and move on. In all honesty you're nothing more than uneducated Utopian Statist Not even qualified liberals.
John

Florence, KY

#129635 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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What? Are you really saying that under-reporting something is the same as participating in it?
<quoted text>
So Martin Luther wasn't a Christian?
Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. Just stating the facts. You might want to read the about the US immigration policies of that time also.... Very few visas were handed out. Tough times in America and all.

You atheists pretend you know all about 1930's Germany... You don't know anything! Just what you can glean that fits your "God Hating" narrative.

Anyone dumb enough to believe money didn't influence American politics and policies in the 20's & 30's is just that. DUMB!

You might want to read The Splendid Blond Beast. by Christopher Simpson.

Here's you a couple excerpts.

(* U.S. corporate investment in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s was concentrated in the hands of fewer than two dozen major companies, reports economic historian Mira Wilkins. According to her data, U.S. industrial leaders in Germany included oil and chemical companies such as du Pont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, and Texaco; food and consumer products companies such as Corn Products Refining Co.(today CPC International) and United Fruit; and mining companies such as American Metal (today AMAX), Anaconda, International Nickel (based in Canada, but American owned) and the large Guggenheim mining interests The most active category of U.S. industrial investors appears to have been automotive and light industrial manufacturing companies, including Ford, GE, GM, Goodrich, IBM, International Harvester, ITT, National Cash Register (joint venture with Krupp), Singer, and several smaller companies.

Specialized banks, law firms, and trading companies that focused on opening the German market to U.S. capital sprang up on both sides of the Atlantic. Practically without exception, the giant U.S.-German capital flows were administered by a small group of specialists at the very top of the social structure of both countries. A number of institutions and individuals who were prominent in this trade went on to play powerful roles in U.S.-German affairs over the next five decades.

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#129636 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
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Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.
What was mistaken about my post?
John wrote:
Just stating the facts.
No, you were whitewashing history.

And now you're rambling. We were talking about Christianity's relation to antisemitism and its role in the Holocaust. Not American disinterest or ignorance of the Holocaust due to American antisemitism and/or American-German business interests.
John

Florence, KY

#129637 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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What was mistaken about my post?
<quoted text>
No, you were whitewashing history.
And now you're rambling. We were talking about Christianity's relation to antisemitism and its role in the Holocaust. Not American disinterest or ignorance of the Holocaust due to American antisemitism and/or American-German business interests.
No! Ain't whitewashing anything. Just pointing out the facts. Your cohorts are saying things like the 3rd reich was a christian army. And things like Hitler was using the natural hatred of German Christians to bring about the holocaust. That simply isn't true!

Here's you some facts. They want fit your "God Hating" narrative. To bad!

Hitler announced the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. These laws stripped Jews of their civil rights as German citizens and separated them from Germans legally, socially, and politically. Jews were also defined as a separate race under "The Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor." Being Jewish was now determined by ancestry; thus the Germans used race, NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES, to define the Jewish people. To make it simple, they didn't care if they were practicing Jews, Christians, Muslims or atheists. That goes back to what I posted earlier. It was all about Jewish wealth and prominence.

That blows a HUGE hole in your propaganda.

I suggest you myopic atheists start reading actual books (ones without pictures) instead of relying on a few paragraphs pulled from "evil bible"...

Since: Dec 11

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#129638 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
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No! Ain't whitewashing anything. Just pointing out the facts. Your cohorts are saying things like the 3rd reich was a christian army.
That depends on your usage of Christian. Some say the US is a "Christian nation" because it is predominantly made of Christians. The same was true of Nazi Germany. It was virtually all Christians.
John wrote:
And things like Hitler was using the natural hatred of German Christians to bring about the holocaust. That simply isn't true!
That is certainly true. German Christians already didn't like Jews. They were an easy scapegoat.
John wrote:
Hitler announced the Nuremberg Laws in 1935. These laws stripped Jews of their civil rights as German citizens and separated them from Germans legally, socially, and politically. Jews were also defined as a separate race under "The Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor." Being Jewish was now determined by ancestry; thus the Germans used race, NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES, to define the Jewish people. To make it simple, they didn't care if they were practicing Jews, Christians, Muslims or atheists. That goes back to what I posted earlier. It was all about Jewish wealth and prominence.
That blows a HUGE hole in your propaganda.
That doesn't blow a hole in anything. No part of my position is based on the Holocaust being specifically against practitioners of Judaism to the exclusion of people who are ethnically viewed as Jewish.
John wrote:
I suggest you myopic atheists start reading actual books (ones without pictures) instead of relying on a few paragraphs pulled from "evil bible"...
I suggest you try to make an argument that isn't riddled with holes and non sequiturs.

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#129639 May 2, 2014
And yes, you ARE whitewashing. Christian antisemitism is a historical fact.
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129640 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
My comments were perfectly in line with any decent science book, though I'm sure you haven't read any.
Do you have any examples of errors I made?
You don't know squat about science.
Error number 2-

I was fed and raised from Science books.

So WRONG again.

So, you really might want to subject yourself to a thorough exam of your own ignorance.
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129641 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No I didn't see your answer. Care to give a post number. I haven't been asked to kill anyone. Care to give a reference? I'll give you mine.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (Matthew 5:43-44 KJV)
That's a nice verse too!

Love is always patient; love is always kind; love is never envious or arrogant with pride. Nor is she conceited..
(International Standard Version Corinthians 13:4)

(translated into MDL)
And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing. 4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129642 May 2, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. Just stating the facts. You might want to read the about the US immigration policies of that time also.... Very few visas were handed out. Tough times in America and all.
You atheists pretend you know all about 1930's Germany... You don't know anything! Just what you can glean that fits your "God Hating" narrative.
Anyone dumb enough to believe money didn't influence American politics and policies in the 20's & 30's is just that. DUMB!
You might want to read The Splendid Blond Beast. by Christopher Simpson.
Here's you a couple excerpts.
(* U.S. corporate investment in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s was concentrated in the hands of fewer than two dozen major companies, reports economic historian Mira Wilkins. According to her data, U.S. industrial leaders in Germany included oil and chemical companies such as du Pont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, and Texaco; food and consumer products companies such as Corn Products Refining Co.(today CPC International) and United Fruit; and mining companies such as American Metal (today AMAX), Anaconda, International Nickel (based in Canada, but American owned) and the large Guggenheim mining interests The most active category of U.S. industrial investors appears to have been automotive and light industrial manufacturing companies, including Ford, GE, GM, Goodrich, IBM, International Harvester, ITT, National Cash Register (joint venture with Krupp), Singer, and several smaller companies.
Specialized banks, law firms, and trading companies that focused on opening the German market to U.S. capital sprang up on both sides of the Atlantic. Practically without exception, the giant U.S.-German capital flows were administered by a small group of specialists at the very top of the social structure of both countries. A number of institutions and individuals who were prominent in this trade went on to play powerful roles in U.S.-German affairs over the next five decades.
See: The TeaPot Dome Scandal

(noooo...noooo dolluh influences in the 20's lol)
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129643 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
What was mistaken about my post?
<quoted text>
No, you were whitewashing history.
And now you're rambling. We were talking about Christianity's relation to antisemitism and its role in the Holocaust. Not American disinterest or ignorance of the Holocaust due to American antisemitism and/or American-German business interests.
3. WRONG --Again.

See: "The Acquiescence of this Government in the Murder of the Jews" by Henry Morgenthau and the creation of The (U.S.) War Refugees Board.
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129644 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
That depends on your usage of Christian. Some say the US is a "Christian nation" because it is predominantly made of Christians. The same was true of Nazi Germany. It was virtually all Christians.
<quoted text>
That is certainly true. German Christians already didn't like Jews. They were an easy scapegoat.
<quoted text>
That doesn't blow a hole in anything. No part of my position is based on the Holocaust being specifically against practitioners of Judaism to the exclusion of people who are ethnically viewed as Jewish.
<quoted text>
I suggest you try to make an argument that isn't riddled with holes and non sequiturs.
More WRONG.

The holocaust was NOT just about the exterminating the European Jewish. The Nazi's grand schema aka the "final solution" ALSO included, gypsies, homosexuals and "others" that were deemed "inferior".
As in 6 million Jewish and 5 million OTHERS slaughtered, via a SOCIOPATHIC led regime.
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129645 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
And yes, you ARE whitewashing. Christian antisemitism is a historical fact.
WRONG.

That's just another one of a twisted and distorted BULLSHITTERS lines.
SistaNoneYa

Elyria, OH

#129646 May 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
And yes, you ARE whitewashing. Christian antisemitism is a historical fact.
And BTW-Actual HISTORICAL FACTS (NOT opinions) are ALREADY-VERY well documented-in MANY places.

People & Events
Establishment of the War Refugee Board

On January 22, 1944, more than 17 months after news of Hitler's plan to annihilate Europe's Jews reached the U.S., President Roosevelt issued an executive order that established the War Refugee Board (WRB). It was charged with rescuing "the victims of enemy oppression who are in imminent danger of death and otherwise to afford such victims all possible relief and assistance consistent with the successful prosecution of the war." This was the first concrete step the U.S. had taken to help the Jews who were being killed in Germany's "Final Solution" of the "Jewish Question." And it would make a real difference.

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#129647 May 2, 2014
Retired Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>Not according to Christian theology. You are taking the Muslim view of God and Jesus (pbuh).
Not at all. I'm taking what Jesus taught us in the New Testament. The Trinity isn't mentioned one time in the New Testament.

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#129648 May 2, 2014
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>You talking about the flying spaghetti monster?
Did I mention it? No
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#129649 May 2, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks!
The Lord took the shame of what I was away from me, and it is pure joy to be free :-)
They have no problem mocking online, but in their hearts... they know sin is sin!
Ask any of them how they felt when they came out to their Grandparents!
The funny thing is.... there are plenty of Atheists that knows Homosexuality is wrong,
and just can not say anything about it, as that would mean that they have to side
with Christian morals!
Great day to you... Post on!:-)
It is pure joy to be free, to you, who having expereinced tha lifestyle, are personally aware of it's disastrous effects.
To the atheists however, they would applaud you if you were to revert to your old lifestyle.
And what would be the benefits of such ,....Denial of God,,, And we have seen the maladies that afflict those who deconvert , depression , anxiety , suicide and suicidial tendencies, loneliness and feeling abandoned among others
What are the benefits of homosexuality? Extremely high suicide rate, Greater possibility by far, to contracting AIDS , than any other group....
Alcoholism and drug addiction,again, extremely high... And the list goes on.
So,they condone homosexuality , when the truth is, there is much to condemn
The wisdom of fools , who can attain it?.Only fools know

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