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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167904 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#129488 May 1, 2014
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, your mistake, I thought you whining about the Pledge...of allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America.
But since you mentioned it, the environmental conditions of the atmosphere of which we live under, is not a bad thing to give consideration and respects to either, as some of us don't allow our minds to be sucked into others dark age, narrow boxes of ignorance.
So,,,careful there Duquette, looks like your standing on a slippery "horse puckeydoodoo" slope with some of that ...
18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties
(a)
(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
(2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.
(b) As used in this section, the term “flag of the United States” means any flag of the United States, or any part thereof, made of any substance, of any size, in a form that is commonly displayed.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of Congress to deprive any State, territory, possession, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico of jurisdiction over any offense over which it would have jurisdiction in the absence of this section.
(d)
(1) An appeal may be taken directly to the Supreme Court of the United States from any interlocutory or final judgment, decree, or order issued by a United States district court ruling upon the constitutionality of subsection (a).
(2) The Supreme Court shall, if it has not previously ruled on the question, accept jurisdiction over the appeal and advance on the docket and expedite to the greatest extent possible.)
"18 U.S. Code § 700 - Desecration of the Flag of the United States; Penalties." LII / Legal Information Institute. N.p., n.d. Web. 30 Apr. 2014.
As per Title 18 Chapter 33 Section 700 -CITE- 18 USC Sec. 700 01/02/2006 -EXPCITE- TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 33 - EMBLEMS, INSIGNIA, AND NAMES
I cannot say for sure, but I thought that law was abolished due to it being a restriction of freedom of speech.
You seem to support the dumbest laws.
I served our country protecting the right to freedom of speech. It would be a shame to see someone arrested for making a protest by trampling on a piece of fabric.

It is so ironic when conservatives support such laws. And I am sure you have no idea why it is ironic.
John

Florence, KY

#129489 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I believe evidence, and the theory of evolution is has so much evidence, it is mind boggling. I do not call believing in evidence a "belief" in the sense of the word as it relates to religious belief.
There is evidence my genes are in my son, and if he has children, those genes continue. There is hard evidence for this. Court cases are decided on this sort of hard evidence.
I know evolution can be confusing, and it takes some study to learn the theory. I can see you have not done any study on it, as your question shows.
A bird is a species, not just a single individuals genes. Same for snakes. So think of branches. Some of the families involved may very well did not reproduce, and thus their specific gene line ends, but other snakes live on and pass on their genes.
Snakes that live in a region were the environment has severely changed, may adapt traits to better survive the new environment.
And as I write this, I realize the theory of evolution does not claim birds evolved from snakes.
I'm not confused about evolution. For evolution to begin, it must have a beginning. That was my point. If all life is related it's logical to conclude something created it. To entertain the idea that everything we know and see was an accident is a serious stretch imo.

And you're right about my knowledge of evolution. I've never had the need or inclination to study evolution. I'm here! How I got here is irrelevant. What I do with my time is relevant.

I consider my beliefs to be a gift. I don't use my beliefs to sway anyone one way or another. I just share with whomever is interested. This thread seem like a good place.

Since: Aug 10

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#129490 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The overwhelming majority of Mormons are in America. A small percentage is in other countries. So your claim means nothing to the point.

And are you also claiming the religion Constantine forced is not Christianity, or are Mormons not Christian?

It is a lot easier for a Mormon to get a Christian follower to join your sect than to convert a Muslim or Hindu. So my point is, Constantine made way for your sect. War made way for your sect.
America has the highest membership, but that is changing daily. Give it 10 years.

I am claiming that the pure doctrine that Jesus taught, along with the priesthood authority, was lost somewhere between the death of the apostles and Constantine's Nicean Council's conclusion of what doctrine should be.
Those that wanted to follow Christ did so with what knowledge and scriptures they had left, and did the absolute best they could, but the authority to act in God's name and perform saving ordinances with the priesthood power that binds on earth and in Heaven, was lost.
The apostasy opened the door for the restoration of Christ's church.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#129491 May 1, 2014
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Not my problem if there ignorant atheists..as ignorance certainly isn't subjective to just one specific group either.
Unless of course they're pushing anyone via bully tactTics--on ANYTHING. Because bullies just stink of ignorance, and Should be reprimanded.
Ignorant of what? You have a problem with identifying your grief's with specifics to the point I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
I see nothing you said applies to my statement.

Bullying is coercing a child to pledge to a god. Bullying occurs when children refuse to pledge to a god. The bully is the religious people.
The bully is the religious people who insisted god be added to the pledge. The bully is the people who insist children give respects to your god.
The bully is the religious people who use government to do this bullying.

Since: Aug 10

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#129492 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure why you keep repeating yourself. I am not confused as to who you feel your evidence is for. I am fully aware it is yours, and yours alone. It takes nothing away from my point. If you feel it is evidence, then faith is not needed without evidence. Yet you claim evidence is not needed, but faith must be had anyway.
I see you cannot understand this point, no matter how many ways it is explained to you. And that lack of understanding does nothing to help your case.
Blessings only come as personal evidence AFTER the demonstration of faith. Does that make sense?

Since: Aug 10

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#129493 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>God cannot be where sin is? Not sure why you feel god has such a limitation? He was around in OT days supposedly and sin was there.

And I do not obey any of the bible simply due to a rule being in the bible, and one main reason is, I do not even think a god exists. So right out of the gate, billions do not follow your god due to not believing in him, much less the difficulty of following rules.

Why do you keep dodging my points? You simply repeat yourself and keep dodging the points. I fully understand your statements. Not sure why you feel I do not?
He sees what happens daily and in the OT, spoke with His prophets. This doesn't mean He was in their presence all the time. You notice "in the midst" is used frequently.
I'm not dodging any posts. I'm answering with what I consider "truth" based off of what I have learned and continue to learn.

Since: Aug 10

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#129494 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously that would be evidence. But you seem to think we should be sure with zero evidence. And the bible claims we should be sure without evidence. And we keep saying this is not reasonable. You have yet to show why it is reasonable.
My opinion is that you shouldn't wait for that "evidence". Don't procrastinate the day of your salvation.
It isn't reasonable because the guy that created you, that you choose not to believe in, made the rules for our time here, and gets to choose what happens to us after our time here. That alone should make people want to figure things out before they die. Most everyone has a tendency to wonder about the purpose of life, how we got here, and what happens after we die. It is human nature to wonder these things at some point in life for most everyone. There is a reason we wonder these things. Curiosity leads to some sort of research, and if the person really truly wants to know and can remove skepticism that they aren't the center of the universe and there might be a greater power, and has the mindset that if they learn there is, they will change their life accordingly, that person will find God.
John

Florence, KY

#129495 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Do you dispute the phrase I use, or are you disputing the life of my genes living on after I die? Because if it is just the phrase, I say you are nit picking and dodging my point.
It is part of my life, living after my death. Again you show a black and white, only two scenario world. Seems pretty narrow minded vision. How can you fully question if you have ruled out so many possibilities out of the gate?
Evolution does affect all life.
I do not think all things are equal.
Our world will end as worlds do as evidence shows. So forever is doubtful.
No I'm not nitpicking anything. Sorry if you took it that way. You're genes may live on but life as you know it is over.

I just find it hard to believe that an individual was given this playground we call earth and that's it... How can an individual die if all life is related? Yet the body dies. It's just that I believe my spirit will live on. That's why I don't worry when death comes a knocking as it surely will.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#129496 May 1, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>This article is unbelievable. The irony meter is off the charts.
He even has the ignorance to say, "do not change our pledge" yet it was changed, when god was added to it.
This article is why god should never have been in the pledge.
And read some of the comments. The right wingers want these people to be thrown out of America.
original Pledge didn't have the word God in it. In the 50's the goverment unconstitutionally added it

Today... the fundies are dealing with reality. The way they changed the pledge in the 50's is now biting them in the azz.

If they can change it to their God then so can American's change it to reflect any God... including Allah.

Right wingers lose on this one.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#129497 May 1, 2014
John wrote:
I'm not confused about evolution. For evolution to begin, it must have a beginning. That was my point. If all life is related it's logical to conclude something created it.
...why?
John wrote:
To entertain the idea that everything we know and see was an accident is a serious stretch imo.
I think you'd have a hard to explaining why a super-powerful creator would be interested in making single-celled life forms.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#129498 May 1, 2014
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
America has the highest membership, but that is changing daily. Give it 10 years.
I am claiming that the pure doctrine that Jesus taught, along with the priesthood authority, was lost somewhere between the death of the apostles and Constantine's Nicean Council's conclusion of what doctrine should be.
Those that wanted to follow Christ did so with what knowledge and scriptures they had left, and did the absolute best they could, but the authority to act in God's name and perform saving ordinances with the priesthood power that binds on earth and in Heaven, was lost.
The apostasy opened the door for the restoration of Christ's church.
You talking about the flying spaghetti monster?
John

Florence, KY

#129499 May 1, 2014
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are getting there... All Living Things including Plants, bugs, animals are the same basic living organism evolved into many differentiated individual living organisms.... Many of the genes in Your body exist in every living thing on the planet.. including the microbes in small pools of steaming goo in some distant tar pit...
I don't know much. But, I share the building blocks of carbon, oxygen and couple of others I can't recall of the top of my head with others. I don't know about the genes part. Ain't never fathered an oak tree. haha.
Historian

Hopkinsville, KY

#129500 May 1, 2014
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans want to take out the 1st amendment to the US Constitution because they cannot establish the Christian Church in the USA.,
It is not necessarily Republicans. It is a coalition of the Christian Right and Libertarians who hijacked the Republican Party. The most adamant of them have now moved off into their own party on the lunatic fringe, a party that calls itself the Constitution Party. Its ideology is a mix of Libertarian Social Darwinist economics and "Christian" theocracy.

For an idea what the society they envision would look like, look at the socio-economic system portrayed in the movie Soylent Green, add in a Supreme Court composed of television preachers the likes of John Hagee, Richard Land, and Gary North that functions like Iran's Guardian Council of ayatollahs or Saudi Arabia's ulema, and a draconian law code based on the Old Testament.

There is only one way to deal with people like that: beat them to a bloody pulp and send them crawling back to the lunatic fringe from whence they came.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#129501 May 1, 2014
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not necessarily Republicans. It is a coalition of the Christian Right and Libertarians who hijacked the Republican Party. The most adamant of them have now moved off into their own party on the lunatic fringe, a party that calls itself the Constitution Party. Its ideology is a mix of Libertarian Social Darwinist economics and "Christian" theocracy.
For an idea what the society they envision would look like, look at the socio-economic system portrayed in the movie Soylent Green, add in a Supreme Court composed of television preachers the likes of John Hagee, Richard Land, and Gary North that functions like Iran's Guardian Council of ayatollahs or Saudi Arabia's ulema, and a draconian law code based on the Old Testament.
There is only one way to deal with people like that: beat them to a bloody pulp and send them crawling back to the lunatic fringe from whence they came.
OK... the hijacking of the Repubs is true!!! And I concur with you 100%
John

Florence, KY

#129502 May 1, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
...why?
<quoted text>
I think you'd have a hard to explaining why a super-powerful creator would be interested in making single-celled life forms.
Why????? Why not?

Well, It's written God created Adam from the dust of the earth. It's also been written on this thread all life is related. With that said, who's to say the single cells weren't already in the dust? Unless you believe that evolution only pertains to life forms? Why couldn't the earth evolve? In light of the fact all the building blocks for life come from the earth.

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me. The world was created before man. Even science doesn't dispute that.

Since: Dec 11

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#129503 May 1, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Why????? Why not?
That conclusion isn't logical. Something having a beginning doesn't mean it has a creator.
John wrote:
Well, It's written God created Adam from the dust of the earth. It's also been written on this thread all life is related. With that said, who's to say the single cells weren't already in the dust? Unless you believe that evolution only pertains to life forms?
Wait, are you saying Adam and Eve were single celled organisms?

Evolution DOES only pertain to life forms.
John wrote:
Why couldn't the earth evolve?
The Earth isn't alive, doesn't have genes, doesn't reproduce, etc.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#129504 May 1, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
I already did.#129266.
<quoted text>
I just addressed it. You refuse to reply because you are a coward.
WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can rape women?
WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can take slaves?
WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can murder unarmed women and children?
Evasion #10
LOL You are so desperate to defend your faith by any dishonest way possible.
Let me point it out ONE MORE TIME
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I maintain that you are still a liar as you are unable to provide the posting where you state that I claimed to be morally superior.
BOXresponded
I already did.#129266.

Let us read post 129266

Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Reply »|Report Abuse|Judge it!|#129266
Because he saved curious' puppy?

curious responded;
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah , Because he saved me......From the debauched and degenerate lifestyle I pursued when I did not believe in HIM.
Much like yourself , at that time in my life I was looking to justify my sewerlike lifestyle.
Looking back, unlike the self righteous atheist witchetty , I can not claim that I've never committed an act for which I need be ashamed of.
Based on your low moral standards,as evidenced by your postings, you would agree with her, you would make the same claim about yourself,while knowing that you are lying.......
The fruits of atheism,,,Condoning y the immoral while condeming the moral
Condemn virginity while condoning promiscuity
Condemn respect for your parents and refer to them as delusional
Condone homosexuality as a healthy lifestyle, while refusing to acknowledge the dreadful consequences, as Yiago has done.........
Lived in the sewer for wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to lonnnnnnnnnnnng.
Ain't going back ain't gonna happen

I may not be as "intelligent" as the atheists that UMM brags about, however, I am SMART enough not to crawl back into the sewer,searching for nonexistent pearls""
There it is. Where is it that I stated" that I am morally superior"
A pathological liar is someone who habitually lies even to his disadvantage as you have been doing repeatedly.
Add another one to the list of maladies that afflict atheists
Pathological liar

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#129505 May 1, 2014
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
No , I am not taking anything that I posted back.
However , I am calling you out on your lie which you stated
"False. My reply was to an assertion on your part that you are morally superior. I pointed out that your moral system condones rape, genocide, and slavery. "
As you know,that is alie , and I am asking you to provide the evidence or admit that you are a liar.. And I would like to seee this complete post , not just snippets
You ,Yiago ,Duket and Pre K are 4 shyster conmen who have attempted to get me to answer questions ;
However ,you want me to answer them ,not based on my faith, but rather on your atheist beliefs.
That is why you all will not ask the question based on what is stated in the Bible.
That is the information that you are unwilling to provide in order to justify your gutless faith.
W e have been talking about stoning those who have sex outside of marriage and homosexuality. YOU , unable to cope with the series of tragic consequences that such behavior breeds , have opted to change the topic ,by making another false claim.
The jello in your backbone has begun to melt because of the heat..........
Stop running away ,stay on topic, don't change the subject
Stop evading the issue, that is a sign of one who knows he is defeated,sees no possibility of winning and therefore must evade and avoid in order not to gey TORCHED.
You and the other 3 shysters have provided an overabundance of excuses...
Time you all tried HONESTY for a change
I will wait,,,,,,,,in vain..........for you to provide that nonexistent post where I,supposedly claim that I am morally superior....Now you have backed off that and are now calling it a generalization..........
YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSS. What next?
The fact remains that you are defending:

Slavery
Genocide
Killing homosexuals
Killing people who have sex outside of marriage
Killing people who opt for freedom of religion
Killing brides who aren't virgins on their wedding night
Killing your children if they curse or strike you
Killing people who blaspheme against your god
Killing people who work on a Saturday

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#129506 May 1, 2014
curious wrote:
Let me point it out ONE MORE TIME
Oh, you'd like to prove yourself wrong again? Okay.
curious wrote:
Based on your low moral standards,as evidenced by your postings, you would agree with her, you would make the same claim about yourself,while knowing that you are lying.......
The fruits of atheism,,,Condoning y the immoral while condeming the moral
So you say others have low moral standards and that atheism, which we hold to, condines the immoral and condemns the moral.

That is saying that you are morally superior.

By the way, Evasion #11

WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can rape women?
WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can take slaves?
WHY does the OT god tell the Israelites they can murder unarmed women and children?
John

Florence, KY

#129507 May 1, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
That conclusion isn't logical. Something having a beginning doesn't mean it has a creator.
<quoted text>
Wait, are you saying Adam and Eve were single celled organisms?
Evolution DOES only pertain to life forms.
<quoted text>
The Earth isn't alive, doesn't have genes, doesn't reproduce, etc.
It doesn't mean there isn't a creator either. I never said Adam was a single celled organism and I never mentioned Eve.

You say the Earth isn't alive... Therefore it's dead. Yet there's plenty of living organisms on Earth. Therefore there must be a creator. Life can't come from a dead Earth. Right?

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