Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the Feb 10, 2010, The Courier-Journal story titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128231 Apr 12, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Yes... there are splits in the church.... I wonder who profits from these splits???
I know Satan doesn't care how one gets to hell, just that they go!
You do have a compelling testimony, but so have I, and it stems from the God
of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as when I heard of God, and Jesus the first time....
IN a Baptist Church... I believed in my heart it was true!
The One important piece of information that I lacked was...
The Tools, and Tactics that Satan uses to drag us to hell, and thus suffered evil
for the next forty years...
Drug using, and dealing, multitudes of sexual perversions... and almost murder!
Ending with an arrest in 04 for domestic violence, I was booked
04/04/04 @.04seconds after midnight....
I spent the next 40 days, and nights getting to know Jesus again!
Do you know what Satan's biggest tool is???
Deceit!
Watch the videos I've posted, and understand!
God Bless!
Just like you I gained my testimony of Christ through "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...IN a Baptist Church". I have never prayed to any other God nor will I ever.

I guess the difference between you and I is that I noticed all the confusion between the different sects of the Protestant/Baptist Church and took my prayers and search a little further. I never settled for a piece of truth, I wanted to know it all.

I have always said that organized religion has been a detriment to God's plan and you have no idea how many times I have tried to deny my testimony of the LDS Church but it can't be done. Besides that, it answered all my questions that no other church even seemed to want to discuss. On top of all that, I now know exactly where I came from, exactly why I am here, and exactly where I am going when I leave this mortal life behind and that brings a peace I have found no where else.

Your testimony touched my heart (thank you) and I am so glad you have such a strong one, it will allow you to see God. I could tell you what happened to me on 08/08/88 around 8:00 am. but that's another story.

Thanks for the offer of the video but I have probably seen every anti Mormon argument there is. With me it's like when Christ was talking to Peter and He asked Peter if he knew who He was and Peter said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God", Jesus then said, "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven".

That's how I got my testimony of the gold plates and the confirming truth of Jesus Christ being hidden away unadulterated. It came from my Father in Heaven in an answer to a very sincere prayer. The Book of Mormon is another witness of Christ but I can understand that those bound by a closed cannon of scripture aren't allowed to look at it. I have found out that those who do read it almost always say how they were lied to about it's contents. No wonder we convert so many, they want to know more about Christ and many find out they were lied to.

God Bless you too.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128232 Apr 12, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
Lehi, I owe you an apology and I'm sincerely sorry. While the LDS and JW's may be comparative as new world sects, since 1985 the LDS has done more good works and currently meets far fewer of the criteria necessary to be categorized as a cult.
Thanks, but you didn't offend me. Another difference between JW and LDS is that one came from Protestantism and the other didn't.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#128233 Apr 12, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>But....
YOU GET TO CHOOSE!
We don't Force it upon you!
Unlike Obamacare, and socialism....
Choose? Bow to some form of Christian god or another....or be tortured forever?

Your idea of choice is weird.

I choose reality.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#128234 Apr 12, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you see that news story earlier this week about the 3000 year old mummy they found?
What was unusual about this mummy was that it was covered entirely with chocolate.
Egyptologists have confirmed that it's Pharaoh Rocher
Sorry
Ouch. That physically hurts.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#128235 Apr 12, 2014
Wait...is there an LDS vs. JW thread going on here? Is one modern cult battling another modern cult for supremacy? I'm not reading all these friggin' posts but if this is really happening it is golden.

Keep fighting. Perhaps Joseph Smith will appear and declare that he was the 1st of the 144,000.
woodstock

Whitley City, KY

#128236 Apr 12, 2014
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Choose? Bow to some form of Christian god or another....or be tortured forever?
Your idea of choice is weird.
I choose reality.
Wow, you post a lie and then claim you choose reality, how does that work?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#128237 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, but you didn't offend me. Another difference between JW and LDS is that one came from Protestantism and the other didn't.
It has always been my observation that every Bible in existence is a descendant of Catholicism. ;-) Protestants like to call it "hating God" when I point out what should be obvious.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128238 Apr 12, 2014
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
Yeah, regarding SPECIFIC gods we can say with a very high degree of certainty they are not real. Yaweh, Jehovah, El, Elohim...99.999999999999999999 9999999999999999999% certainty they are fairy tales.
But the "philosopher's god" is another story. I would still argue 99.999999(etc.)% that this god is not real, but philosophically you have to accept an agnostic position on it or else you are being intellectually dishonest.
You just can't make it 100% can you?

I know 100% that God exists.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#128239 Apr 12, 2014
woodstock wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you post a lie and then claim you choose reality, how does that work?
What lie?
Either worship God in Jesus' name or perish in eternal damnation. There doesn't seem to be much other choice available >within< the church, does there?
The way it works is to realize that what is inside the church is not reality.

Since: Dec 11

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#128240 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
<quoted text>
You evidently didn't read the whole article.
I did read the whole article. It misrepresented the problem and the excuses don't hold up.
Lehi wrote:
Here is the problem, none of your links show positive proof of anything, it's all "he said, she said" just like I told you I don't even want to debate.
What are you talking about? Court documents are not he-said, she-said. Genetics are not he-said, she-said. Egyptian translations are not he-said, she-said. Joseph Smith's inability to reproduce his first translation is not he-said, she-said.
Lehi wrote:
I have the entire church history library and everything ever printed on Smith's history. I have looked it all over for almost 20 years now and I haven't seen one shred of provable facts that back up any anti-mormon claim.
Wow, none of the Mormon church's documents back up anti-Mormon claims? What a shocker.
Lehi wrote:
I knew you would dismiss anything but wikipedia, it's all you can do.
I have given you specific reasons why I dismissed your article. Do you have any articles that counter my 4 arguments that AREN'T Mormon apologetics? I'll take neutral resources.
Lehi wrote:
If the Mormon Church was evil, you wouldn't have to go back almost 200 years to find fault.
Show me something the church does today that is evil?
I didn't say the Mormon church was evil. I'm saying Joseph Smith was a con artist and that you've been duped.

But if you want some things the Mormon church does today that is wrong, I'll give you two: oppose gay rights and oppose critical thinking in favor of faith.

Since: Dec 11

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#128241 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
It wasn't until I believe 1971 that someone claimed to find court documents from 1823 where JS was charged with fraud. They searched the basement archives at the sheriff department somewhere in NY. and claimed they found what they were looking for. Yea right.
You're claiming the State of New York documents are forgeries?
Lehi wrote:
All these accusations came forth because Joseph Smith was having much influence on some of the prominent citizens of the area and they couldn't allow that to happen.
Joseph Smith's fraud conviction was before he invented Mormonism to gain power, influence, and women. So, no, that had nothing to do with it. He was going around telling people he could find treasure with his magic seeing stones. That was fraud.
Lehi wrote:
You people are all alike, you will go to any length to try and tear down something that makes a difference in the world. The powers of evil have trained you well.
I'll go to many lengths to expose frauds that are conning people out of their money and their intelligence.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128242 Apr 12, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
It has always been my observation that every Bible in existence is a descendant of Catholicism. ;-) Protestants like to call it "hating God" when I point out what should be obvious.
I hear ya. It always amazed me that they don't want to even look at the facts. Whomever canonized their scriptures sure scared them into submission. They put God in a box and shut the lid.

Since: Dec 11

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#128243 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
If anyone had one piece of evidence that would show the LDS Church as false, it would have been in the headlines by now.
I already gave you four obvious signs that the LDS church is a giant con. You were unable to refute any of them.

Why is Joseph Smith's translation of the "Book of Abraham" papyrus so incredibly wrong?

Since: Dec 11

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#128244 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
I had always heard that the Mormon church was a cult so I began my investigation into every facet of the history of the Mormon faith. On the surface there seemed to be insurmountable evidence against the church but the more I delved into what all was behind it, it became evident that there was no factual evidence at all.
It may not be that strongly cult-like now, but it certainly originated as one. Joseph Smith anoints himself as a prophet and gains strong control over his followers. He had so much power, he could take other men's wives when he wanted them.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128245 Apr 12, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
I did read the whole article. It misrepresented the problem and the excuses don't hold up.
<quoted text>
What are you talking about? Court documents are not he-said, she-said. Genetics are not he-said, she-said. Egyptian translations are not he-said, she-said. Joseph Smith's inability to reproduce his first translation is not he-said, she-said.
<quoted text>
Wow, none of the Mormon church's documents back up anti-Mormon claims? What a shocker.
<quoted text>
I have given you specific reasons why I dismissed your article. Do you have any articles that counter my 4 arguments that AREN'T Mormon apologetics? I'll take neutral resources.
<quoted text>
I didn't say the Mormon church was evil. I'm saying Joseph Smith was a con artist and that you've been duped.
But if you want some things the Mormon church does today that is wrong, I'll give you two: oppose gay rights and oppose critical thinking in favor of faith.
When you look deeper, you will see that the court documents weren't found at the sheriff department in NY., they were in possession of an evangelical who despised the Mormon Church.

Finding someone who would pass your requirements to defend the Mormon faith outside of Mormonism would be hard to do as one would expect.

FYI, even if Joseph Smith was a con artist, it has no impact on my salvation, just his.

We may oppose gay rights because of our beliefs but we would never issue an extermination order against gays like was done against Mormons back in Missouri.
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
I already gave you four obvious signs that the LDS church is a giant con. You were unable to refute any of them.
Why is Joseph Smith's translation of the "Book of Abraham" papyrus so incredibly wrong?
You look for the 'obvious" but you stop looking when you think it's the truth, keep looking and you will see. Don't be so quick to dismiss something without putting forth a little effort to see if it's factual.
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
It may not be that strongly cult-like now, but it certainly originated as one. Joseph Smith anoints himself as a prophet and gains strong control over his followers. He had so much power, he could take other men's wives when he wanted them.
Again you found something that perked your itching ears and you pass it along as true, that's bearing false witness. The truth of all of it is out there, had it not been I would not be a member. It's convenient for you to demand someone outside the church to verify the truth, I had to look for myself, that's why I have a large library of books.

I will try this analogy again even though it goes over most people's head. A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit just as a good tree cannot bring forth something bad.

By their fruits ye shall know them.
Amber

Lexington, KY

#128246 Apr 12, 2014
Accepting women telling of the gospel may mean the difference between you treating them with reverence and you treating them like the rich man did to Lazarus. Maybe your acting like you don't need to hear the gospel but it may be your only chance to hear the truth and it was from a woman.

Maybe your carnal worldly self is not now strong enough but the Spirit is willing. I feel there is nothing wrong with planting a seed that will grow to show you the way and the truth and the life in Yeshua.

While it is made to bring you to the tree of everlasting life when you need it to in the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole world as told in scriptures, especially in Daniel and Revelation.

Unless those who find the needle in the hay stack and get a camel that squeezes itself down to a pin prick small enough to go through the narrow gate of the needle, to them leaving their mammon behind will allow them to be saved but to them who need the world more they will not be saved and come to Jesus fully.

Then treating the hurt and less taken care of people badly who know God and do his will, they think that they run the show and are in charge and they look down their noses at them that at are eventually their needy children.

Those who gain the things of this world but not enjoy Gods will for them are the same ones who will one day partitioned off the vine of Yeshua. Then the excess of flesh and blood that they have hated on without a cause will come on them to remind them of the hate they spent on Gods child in Christ.

Then they not wanting to take the clothing from those whose sin has stained it again, not to even to look on that flesh that sin has corrupted or that they had any part of it will send away outside the gate that offensive one from them not taking any responsibility for their part in the end result and find new more fresh ones to glory over in their hate still they are not the enemy but are of the election.

Yet those who had to live among them who once willingly accepted the sinful life until those who were saved turned from sin and lived according to Gods plan, then had been looked upon as different still took with patience the ill treatment in the name of Yeshua still have to endure to the end in faith.

While they mistreated and killed those sent to them, their own lives were wasted in their own sin judging because their sin was better to them than that sin someone else had that was bad to them.

Then like Lazarus was left to the dogs they hated that people and her that has been helping them because of needing the money that would take their standing higher in the world, that provides their lavish living in Babylon and with the 666 devil of their dreams not the true Heavenly Fathers plan but their own.

They will take it all,(their wealth, their status – big grave stone in a beautiful Holy Cemetery made for man, of man)....to their grave with them in the dust ashes to the wind with the paper money, and plastic and silver and gold melts in molten lava in the fires of hell.

I guess that’s where their money went, not to whom asked and begged for help even the scraps that fell off the masters table but then it went to their ideas of goodness, not Gods. In Hell the soul survives to feel but without water just like Lazarus did without his basic needs.
Amber

Lexington, KY

#128247 Apr 12, 2014
I felt myself abide by his words to be Holy as he is Holy and Perfect as God is Perfect. We cannot do all that Christ did to be Perfect to keep all Gods commands but we can keep his and remain in his love. I know my Fathers love and it is so awesomely vast and overwhelming, I am so glad too to know the Lords love and that is so much the way I feel I please the Father to love with their love and keep the Lord commandments and love one another

I may be removed from forums for my assertions and faith in Yeshua and what he has called me to do in God through the workings of the Holy Spirit and ever ready to stand at his side, knowing Gods will and doing it. I have made friends with the unrighteous mammon also I am loving Yeshua too as I love God.

I know Jesus Yeshua has prepared me for this time and is working to help me even today, my afflictions and persecutions are nothing compared to the goodness God has for me even us who love him as I know he prepared all of us who follow after him and know the truth of the Holy Spirit our intercessor.

Luke: And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

John: Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#128248 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
<quoted text>
You just can't make it 100% can you?
I know 100% that God exists.
Pics or it didn't happen. Prove your work. A 100% certainty should be easy to demonstrate and no one should be left agnostic.

Go. I'm making popcorn.

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#128249 Apr 12, 2014
Amber wrote:
I may be removed from forums for my assertions and faith in Yeshua and what he has called me to do in God through the workings of the Holy Spirit and ever ready to stand at his side, knowing Gods will and doing it.
Why would you be removed from a public forum for stating a belief, loony as it seems?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#128250 Apr 12, 2014
Lehi wrote:
<quoted text>
...I was given a vivid testimony that the confirming truth of Jesus Christ was written on gold and buried on the North American Continent. It would be 32 years later before I heard of the gold plates and the Book of Mormon. I was very excited at this and wondered how I could ever get a copy of the Book of Mormon, two days later two missionaries from the LDS Church knocked on my door. They said the spirit had strongly prompted them to come all the way to the end of a road they had been down many times but thought no one would live in such a remote location. The spirit was so strong, we all cried.
Oh! You almost had it. If the LDS guys had come 3 days later it would have sounded more genuine.

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