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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 180161 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#128061 Apr 9, 2014
Wait a minute wrote:
<quoted text>He said it. Ask Him. If you had a brother and your parents said he is their son and you are not when all you ever did was to love them and do good for them would that make you feel bad? If they constantly praised other people's children but never even acknowledge you, would you feel jealous? We are His creation, we belong to Him. When we go whoring after other "gods" He is deservingly jealous of our love for Him. He wants us to love Him as He loves us. Not as the person who hates his neighbor because he is jealous of his new car. That is covetousness..
He loved us so very much he killed everyone but Moses and his family. Along with billions of animals.

Such good parenting.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#128062 Apr 9, 2014
Yiago wrote:
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I don't have the figures in front of me but basically the level of religious belief among scientists drops off sharply when you get into fields related to biology and psychology. Rates of religiosity are lower among most scientists in general.
Reality tends to make little room for superstition.
Hi Yiago, I found this article that a Mormon professor at BYU agrees with the theory of evolution. Thought you would find this interesting.

I wonder is he lost his job at BYU

Why Mormons Should Embrace Evolution: BYU Biology Professor Steven Peck

In fact, Joseph Smith was called by some of his most thoughtful followers,ďa scientist.Ē Evolution by natural selection is the most important scientific discovery of modern times (I am stoically unapologetic about the lack of equivocation in that statement). The evidences for it are staggeringly abundant, detailed, and scientifically undeniable. Our perspective of an open canon allows us to accept this new revelation from the book of nature without getting stuck in past pre-Darwinian quagmires. Mormons are all about continuing revelation. Itís what we do best.

Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/flunkings ...
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#128063 Apr 9, 2014
Yiago sorry here the correct link

http://www.beliefnet.com/search/site.aspx...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#128064 Apr 9, 2014
do whut wrote:
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Yeah I realize it isn't enough for many people, and I respect their opinion. But the other things that I read about tend to support what I believe. One of the best books I have read is called Rough Stone Rolling. It's a pretty raw look at his history, the good and the bad. The convincing parts talk about the things he could not have done without he power of God. You may find it interesting.
Again, I don't believe there will ever be proof of anything pertaining to God, because with proof, there is no need for faith, and faith is one of the main reasons we are here.
I can think of nothing Joseph Smith did that would not be possible "without the power of God". What does that even mean?

I disagree with your statement about proof violating faith. If god is real, and if god is all powerful (as he is portrayed by virtually all Christian traditions) then he would be able to provide evidence to each person that would convince them. And it would not in any way violate free will.

Yet there are lots of atheists such as me. And many of them were once devout believers who were convinced by the lack of evidence that faith in god was not rational.

I don't think that fact is compatible with the existence of the Christian god. It is one of the many reasons I do not believe.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#128065 Apr 9, 2014
Yiago wrote:
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I can only assume you are making a joke here because this is some grade A nonsense.
You know what happens when you ass u me.
I am sure that you are familiar with the sources I cited,as I have posted those sources on quite a few occasions..........If it is Grade a Nonsense , then you need to blame the authors of studies that I have cited, the lawsuit filed by American Atheists org. and Staks Rosch, Atheist leader in the city of Philadelphia and state of Pennsylvania.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#128066 Apr 9, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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He got it wrong.
The second should be the greatest.
Why? Because it's a variation of the Golden Rule - I guess you've heard of it.
The Golden Rule is all about ethical goodness on a reciprocal basis and you'll see it manifested in numerous religions in many different words. As you stated, Jesus mentions it in the NT although he was far from being the first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule
I'm sure you'll agree that wishing no harm or suffering on others is understandably a good thing. Yet harm is exactly what your god wishes on people and he expects his followers to obey him and break the Golden Rule.
Surely the merit of any religion isn't what you believe in but more about what you do? In other words, it's all about how you treat your fellow human beings. Extending the same treatment to other people that you would expect them to extend to you is undoubtedly the pinnacle of human ethical behaviour.
Also, if God/Allah/Brahma/Shiva/etc, really do exist, yet they insist that we humans must break the Golden Rule to get to Heaven; then they aren't worth thinking about.
Let's look at the god of the Bible: His main condition for us to get our pass for Heaven is not about treating our fellow humans decently and respectfully. Oh no, the Golden Rule doesn't matter to God. All that matters to him is that we love Jesus more than anyone else and with every fibre of our being.
You may like the idea of spending eternity with such a vain, egotistical, self-centred deity but not me.
Yep. Sums it up nicely.

When I was 16 my best friend was worried about me going to hell. He wanted me to get saved. I had already been saved, actually, but he was of a faith that demanded a bit more. It was in that moment I said for the first time in my life that I could not believe in a god that would ever send someone to be tortured forever.

One of the best days of my life. Liberating!

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#128067 Apr 9, 2014
Yiago wrote:
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Yeah, I'm not trying to be pedantic about it. But philosophical ideas tend to be pedantic by nature! So accepting the term "atheist" does not entail making a claim that you cannot be wrong. It simply means you don't accept the arguments for a god or gods. Later, if good evidence emerges that a god does in fact exist, an atheist whose atheism is based on critical thinking will become a theist.
Totally agree with you on this, though.
Most here are posting about the kjv god.

A god that is defined in appearance. A humaniod form, from the waist up glowing metal as if full of fire, from the waist down fire. Brilliant light shining all around it, hair like snow white wool, eyes of blazing fire, feet like bronze glowing in a fire.

A god that is defined by its actions. A talking snake, a talking donkey, a fing burning bush that talks, a flood that covered the highest mountians, an exodus of 2 million people across the desert(and they did not drop a single thing), water walking, an ark that's as big as texas, a man living in a whale, 4 horsemen that bring gloom and doom, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 Eleven.

Critical thinking? If good evidence emerges? Good luck.

There is no god.

Since: Aug 10

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#128068 Apr 9, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Yes... God is Loving, and Just....
Didn't need a new Gospel to teach that!
You didn't comment to the rest of the post. So you're ok with that teaching?

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#128069 Apr 9, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>I thought he revealed it to Joesph Smith. Why did Joesph Smith fabricate the story if you don't believe it also?
He did. I'm asking the question. How else would we know where the garden was located unless God revealed it to His prophet? It isn't written in the scriptures where to find it. So how did Joseph contradict anything with this revelation?
Amber

Mount Washington, KY

#128070 Apr 9, 2014
I attend church on Saturday and consider now that it is the Sabbath that I should keep because Jesus kept it and I wish to be Holy like he is Holy and Perfect like God is Perfect but I also like to go everyday and fellowship with believers.

I have enjoy learning of my Hebrew roots from even my Spiritual encounter with Christ that changed my life after he choose me in the Church of Philadelphia and I followed him, I met staunch Jewish people and welcoming fellow believers and followers of Yeshua - Jesus.

I enjoyed going with my son to many denominations and then also to a Messianic Jewish congregation with him. I think both of us took more from the Messianic service than anywhere else. I really enjoyed going to more of the Messianic Services and learning about all of the Old Testament and New Testament the way they presented it although it had a lot of traditions I did not celebrate growing up.

I attended a study group at a Reform Jewish Temple and learned more of their staunch Jewish ways and really enjoyed the people, but I also enjoyed telling them about Jesus- Yeshua the Lord whenever he was brought up.

And because that Temple had a large mix of Christians married to Jews it was often that they would refer to Jesus and it was also often that they would shut me down from speaking of Jesus. I often could only refer to scripture and when I had gotten acclaim for my wisdom I would say something like Jesus said that in the New Testament, then it was back to them displaying their programed peer pressured dissatisfaction.

Since: Dec 11

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#128072 Apr 10, 2014
curious wrote:
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I KNOW what the purpose of your analogy was.
Clearly you did not.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128073 Apr 10, 2014
Yiago wrote:
If god is real, and if god is all powerful (as he is portrayed by virtually all Christian traditions) then he would be able to provide evidence to each person that would convince them. And it would not in any way violate free will.
Congtats, you finally said something that is true. I know God exists, He proved it to me just like you said He could.

“Hats Off to God”

Since: Jun 09

3rd Rock

#128074 Apr 10, 2014
Yiago wrote:
I could not believe in a god that would ever send someone to be tortured forever.
Where did you get this bologna from? Maybe you should have actually sought the truth instead of listening to whatever you were told.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#128075 Apr 10, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Clearly you did not.
Clearly I did and you could not wait to deny your incoherent analogy again. Musta bothered you all night and you couldn't wait to deny it again..It is now 9;13 you posted your 3rd denial 2 hours ago.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you got up at about 7;00 AM to popst your denial.
Is it mental anguish?
YIkessssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssss.
There is a cure for that , Don't post nonsense..........and GET A JOB
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#128076 Apr 10, 2014
Lehi wrote:
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Congtats, you finally said something that is true. I know God exists, He proved it to me just like you said He could.
Yiago wrote:
If god is real, and if god is all powerful (as he is portrayed by virtually all Christian traditions) then he would be able to provide evidence to each person that would convince them. And it would not in any way violate free will.
If you diligently seek me , you will find me
"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you
There is the way FOR EACH PERSON to come to a knowledge of God and God has provided the way..........
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#128077 Apr 10, 2014
do whut wrote:
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He did. I'm asking the question. How else would we know where the garden was located unless God revealed it to His prophet? It isn't written in the scriptures where to find it. So how did Joseph contradict anything with this revelation?
That would be a unsubstantiated claim. You base your reasoning on not what a God said, but what Joseph said. The garden of Eden is a mythical story. I cannot disprove something that cannot be proven. Science can show man existed thousands of years before that story was ever told. BYU Biology Professor Steven Peck believe that also?

Why Mormons Should Embrace Evolution: BYU Biology Professor Steven Peck
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/flunkings...

Do these mysterious stones mark the site of the Garden of Eden "Gobekli Tepe"?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

Since: Dec 11

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#128078 Apr 10, 2014
curious wrote:
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Clearly I did
Afraid not. You've shown quite clearly that you lack the brain power to understand how analogies even work.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#128079 Apr 10, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Afraid not.
.
Do not be afraid and face the facts. As a result of your attempt to perpetrate an academic fraud
, I have been able ascetain your hidden location and now know the state from which you are posting,,,,State of Abnegation..........
The next time you get the urge to post nonsense,,,,,,,,,Proceed with caution..........
VERBOTEN

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#128080 Apr 10, 2014
Lehi wrote:
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I believe that all humans have a conscience that lets them know what is right and what is wrong. I agree that some people can be indoctrinated by those around them who have influence over them but anyone should know that it is wrong to take another's life.
You can make a blanket statement all day that faith is the culprit but I think you know better than that. You just don't have much ammunition for your argument.
The evidence I have of the "after life" doesn't and cannot come from something I can see or hold in my hand. It comes from something not of this world. I don't expect you to understand that but if you are ever in a place in your life where you feel there is no hope, put it to the test as I did. All you have to do is sincerely,(with maximum emphasis on "sincerely"), call out to God, I know He will answer you in your hour of need. Then and only then will you know because there is nothing, nor should there be, that I could say to prove it to you.
I know God exists and I am so thankful that I don't have to convince anyone else of that fact in order for me to know it.
Did Moses' conscience stop him from having the idol worshipers killed? Nope, and the same sort of reasons were cited to enact 9/11. It was based solely upon the faith it is what god wanted. You claim this is not so, yet do not even attempt to show reasons why I am wrong. Claiming "I know better" is about the worst argument for a defense I have ever heard. What I see from you is, you do not know what caused 9/11 and are in denial of the fact, their faith lead to the killings. They did not know it was wrong because they thought it was what god wanted. Their holy books back up the idea they carried out. The bible also demands you kill those who try to sway you from your god. Well the 9/11 terrorists felt America was doing this to them.

As for the rest of your post, trying to tell me how to find evidence that cannot be seen is only a contradiction of your argument that faith is needed.
What I see is, only those who are indoctrinated to believe will feel they have evidence in their hearts. I am sure the 9/11 hijackers were on board with the faith idea just as you are.
When you can show me the difference, maybe you will have a real argument.

Since: Dec 11

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#128081 Apr 10, 2014
curious wrote:
As a result of your attempt to perpetrate an academic fraud
An academic fraud?

I made an analogy. You were too stupid to understand it. End of story.

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