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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 166269 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127005 Mar 25, 2014
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
Waco, welcome to this forum. Though we may not agree, it's a pleasure to talk with someone who is thoughtful and sociable.
Please excuse the latent hostility you may find in some posts.
We have been subjected to the likes of curious/suoirus, sistanoneya, seventee, knownfact, and yesandamen for a long time and the utter lack of civility and genuine debating skills has taken its toll.
Curious changes names so he thinks everyone else does. I'm surprised he hasn't decided that you aren't who you say you are.
Sista stated that the "primary function" of a uterus is the elimination of water, and, when proven wrong, refused to acknowledge it.
Seventee and knownfact are working on behalf of their particular cults.
Yesandamen's brain was burned out on guilt and drugs a long time ago.
Reading your posts, I can agree with much that you say, but not all. ;)
Tell me, when you say you believe that "god is the creator," do you mean Yahweh of the bible or simply "a god?"
I am curious.(the trait, not the idiot)
Witchetty ,wittchetty witchetty
I know you are still mad at me for throwing you under the bus ,when I challenged your self serving,self righteous and incredulous statement that you are morally superior to all others
by claiming that" you had never dommitted an act for which you need feel ashamed"
I interpreted that statement to mean,you have no shame. It was at about that time that you stopped using the moniker " Kitten Kodder ' and have now adopted the new moniker " Justice.
I have presented the proof that you 2 or 3 guys are very good at changing names within minutes.
Further evidenced by the confessions of SP and Skeptical Spektakals.
But, like I said ,ie that is what makes your life worth living , so be it.
I like it where you inserted the trait not the idiot
Trait= a distinguishing quality
Oh yes , you have a distinguishing quality you have self proclaimed yourself as one who has never committed an act for which you need be ashamed.
Well, good for you , certainly your behavior does not require you to be STONED, but,posting that kind on gibberish implies that you are STONED out of your mind
OOOOOOOOOH LALA

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127006 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
You're confusing a secular government with a dictatorship. You're also confusing atheistism as supporting dictators or murderers. You can be a dictator, religious person and commit the crimes you are talking about. If you want to look at stats in america you will see most of the criminals are Christians. You can be an atheist dictator or a people ruled by theocracy, like in islamic countries.
Being atheist has nothing to do with what your talking about. It is a motivation of power and control that fuels what you have said.
Bible belief like Islam demands theocracy, that is not a guess that is a fact. If you accept theocracy then you accept slavery and mass murder of those who do not believe . What makes of different is we are secular.
Feel free to mumble to the ceiling fan, dance around the bed post and shake that scary stick with a chicken nailed to it, that's freedom of religion.
I didn't compare you to the communists who slaughtered millions, or the Nazi scum who professed to be Christian. I said, the rulers of Russia and China discouraged religion, it got in the way of their" plans ". Did I even use the word" atheists "? Actually, I'm not attacking you, or your views. I'm not your judge, not your enemy, and shaking a chicken with a stick in it, would be animal abuse.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#127007 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I mean God, the Creator. This may not mean the God most Bible people refer to, but I tell you flatly, my God doesn't feel the need to burn people for eternity in molten lava. God, as I see Him. Is no rabid maniac. A lot of people seem to need a god to punish their enemies for them. Or, they feel the need to punish their enemies, using the name of god.I feel badly about that.
Thanks. I had a feeling that is where you were going.
You seem too reasonable to be a Yahweh fan.

The terms "God" and "god" are misused so often.
That is why I prefer the name "Yahweh" for the biblical deity.

People use the term "god" when trying to justify their own agendas.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127008 Mar 25, 2014
Suoiruc wrote:
<quoted text>
I may noyt know what you think,but, I know what you have stated as your beliefs,contained in what I posted or, are you now disavowing them?
If you claim that it is God who is the creating agent and state your reasons for so believing , then you will be asked ,Who created God?
On the other hand ,some ,like Duket ,will state that he thinks something always existed , that being matter and energy.
I imagine in his convoluted view ,matter and energy do not need a creator ,but God does.
Then things get complicated for the Atheists. If this energy/matter posseses the properties of life, intelligence and consciousness" God" then one can explain the creation of the Universe and life as we know it.
But,as unbelievers,they can not admit to that, which puts them in the untenableposition of trying to explain how nonintelligent ,nonliving and nonconscious matter can spontaneously attain properties of which it does not know nor is conscious of.
So their position is that unintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter does not need a creating agent and has the ability to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
Now, they will not admit to that , they will claim that they do not know what caused life,intelligence and consciousness ,but THEY claim to KNOW it wasn't God.
So , based on the foundation anchored by an "WE don't know"
they proceed to add theories and hypotheses in an effort to support their faith.
Seems to me that,,if your foundation is based on "I don't know what caused life to originate"
then any evidence provided to try and explain how life might have evolved is sitting on a foundation built on quicksand and is sinking very rapidly
However , beacuse of their unbelief, they must,of necessity ,claim that God needs a creator.
And now , we have Pre K stating that the Universe is eternal and does not need a creator.
So as anyone can see, you guys flip flop likea fish out of water and you get highly upset when yout aberrant and illogical thinking is questioned
I'm not disavowing God. Is my God the same God as yours? I don't know. But, I ask questions, to not only get answers, but to find out about the people I'm talking to. My belief, is God created the universe. This may be unpopular, but it's my belief. You think I am disavowing, someone else thinks I'm waving a chicken around on a sick.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127010 Mar 25, 2014
To say that the discussion of religion, between believers and non-believers, can result in fireworks, is an understatement. I'm not going to fall prey to name-calling, or be bothered when I'm called names. Everyone on this forum has value, sorry that makes me sound like a wimp, but heck, who of us here, is prefect? I won't deny my faith, nor am I promising damnation to those who disagree.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#127011 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't compare you to the communists who slaughtered millions, or the Nazi scum who professed to be Christian. I said, the rulers of Russia and China discouraged religion, it got in the way of their" plans ". Did I even use the word" atheists "? Actually, I'm not attacking you, or your views. I'm not your judge, not your enemy, and shaking a chicken with a stick in it, would be animal abuse.
Sorry, I miss read your point. My point, atheist or theocracy the motivation is control and power in a regime.

Most of those that are religious do think atheist are anti-religion. Are you saying you do not believe that? If so, that would be a first for me on this thread. I think anti-theocracy is the truth of the matter. What was the comparison about technology?

God does not find cures for disease or prevent dictators from killing innocent people. Can god grow legs on amputees..not that anyone can verify scientifically.

Choose humans or salamanders god rather grow limbs on a salamanders.
Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127012 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not disavowing God. Is my God the same God as yours? I don't know. But, I ask questions, to not only get answers, but to find out about the people I'm talking to. My belief, is God created the universe. This may be unpopular, but it's my belief. You think I am disavowing, someone else thinks I'm waving a chicken around on a sick.
Whoaaaaaa there Waco.
Mayhaps you are confused . You are responding to something I posted to Duket. I have never made any claims about you disavowing your God.
The ' You are waving a chicken around on a stick" is the inconsolable lament frequently heard from Pre K.
Seems like the Brits used that tactic in an effort to outrun the raggedy American militia that chased them down the Mississippi during the battle of New Orleans.
Ya know the part where" They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch them.
Well, the Brits had ckickens on sticks, eating on the run,couldn't stop to eat , Colonel jackson was hot on their heels.
If prodded , Pre K will confess to being American born , but a Tory at heart.
Keeps a picture of him and Benedict Arnold in his wallet. It is "the kodak Moment of his life
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#127013 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> someone else thinks I'm waving a chicken around on a sick.
That was just a comment about freedom of religion in a secular society. Sorry if you took that personal. I was not calling you a name, just using a example of how freedom of religion is tolerated in a secular society and if one chooses to do so.

I stick around you will read how much the fundies hate unbelievers along with name calling.
Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127014 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
That was just a comment about freedom of religion in a secular society. Sorry if you took that personal. I was not calling you a name, just using a example of how freedom of religion is tolerated in a secular society and if one chooses to do so.
I stick around you will read how much the fundies hate unbelievers along with name calling.
Nice attempt at denying your culpability and then pointing the finger at believers.
Didn't you use the same tactics when you posted under another nick GWB?
A scoundrel is known by his deceptive tactics,,,,Just saying ,,,
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#127015 Mar 25, 2014
Suoiruc wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice attempt at denying your culpability and then pointing the finger at believers.
Didn't you use the same tactics when you posted under another nick GWB?
A scoundrel is known by his deceptive tactics,,,,Just saying ,,,
You're just trying to stir up contentions. It sure easy to point at believers like you, did you not call me a scoundrel. Name calling is your game. Carry on.
Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127016 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
You're just trying to stir up contentions. It sure easy to point at believers like you, did you not call me a scoundrel. Name calling is your game. Carry on.
Gee whiz, I made general comment "A scoundrel is known by his deceptive tactics,,,,Just saying ,," and you say THAT I CALLED you a scoundrel.
You must have a guilt complex.
BTW Carry on is a phrase that is by and large used by Pre K..........Hummmm

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#127017 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
You're just trying to stir up contentions. It sure easy to point at believers like you, did you not call me a scoundrel. Name calling is your game. Carry on.
<Ashbackwards wrote>
Gee whiz, I made general comment "A scoundrel is known by his deceptive tactics,,,,Just saying ,," and you say THAT I CALLED you a scoundrel.
You must have a guilt complex.
BTW Carry on is a phrase that is by and large used by Pre K..........Hummmm

Brace yourself Space, you'll about to be accused of being K

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#127018 Mar 25, 2014
I can vision that little brain cell gyrating around like a coiled spring in an empty whisky barrel.

poor lil' thing is on overload.

Hey Curious, We all know you are in that asylum because of the Capgras Syndrome, sadly, the meds they are giving you isn't working.

I think it's time for an increase in dosage.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#127019 Mar 25, 2014
Suoiruc wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice attempt at denying your culpability and then pointing the finger at believers.
Didn't you use the same tactics when you posted under another nick GWB?
A scoundrel is known by his deceptive tactics,,,,Just saying ,,,
Another example of Capgras Syndrome.
Sad Really.

<sigh>

No wonder you have such a hard time coming up with anything productive or beneficial to the conversation.

You have my sympathy.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#127020 Mar 25, 2014
Suoiruc wrote:
<quoted text>
I may noyt know what you think,but, I know what you have stated as your beliefs,contained in what I posted or, are you now disavowing them?
If you claim that it is God who is the creating agent and state your reasons for so believing , then you will be asked ,Who created God?
On the other hand ,some ,like Duket ,will state that he thinks something always existed , that being matter and energy.
I imagine in his convoluted view ,matter and energy do not need a creator ,but God does.
Then things get complicated for the Atheists. If this energy/matter posseses the properties of life, intelligence and consciousness" God" then one can explain the creation of the Universe and life as we know it.
But,as unbelievers,they can not admit to that, which puts them in the untenableposition of trying to explain how nonintelligent ,nonliving and nonconscious matter can spontaneously attain properties of which it does not know nor is conscious of.
So their position is that unintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter does not need a creating agent and has the ability to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
Now, they will not admit to that , they will claim that they do not know what caused life,intelligence and consciousness ,but THEY claim to KNOW it wasn't God.
So , based on the foundation anchored by an "WE don't know"
they proceed to add theories and hypotheses in an effort to support their faith.
Seems to me that,,if your foundation is based on "I don't know what caused life to originate"
then any evidence provided to try and explain how life might have evolved is sitting on a foundation built on quicksand and is sinking very rapidly
However , beacuse of their unbelief, they must,of necessity ,claim that God needs a creator.
And now , we have Pre K stating that the Universe is eternal and does not need a creator.
So as anyone can see, you guys flip flop likea fish out of water and you get highly upset when yout aberrant and illogical thinking is questioned
Poor curious

He's spent so long projecting his nonsense onto everyone else that he now believes his own lies.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#127021 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't compare you to the communists who slaughtered millions, or the Nazi scum who professed to be Christian. I said, the rulers of Russia and China discouraged religion, it got in the way of their" plans ". Did I even use the word" atheists "? Actually, I'm not attacking you, or your views. I'm not your judge, not your enemy, and shaking a chicken with a stick in it, would be animal abuse.
They certainly did discourage religion.

In a way it's similar to one religion discouraging others but in these circumstances they took it to extremes.

After all, Communism has a "holy" book or books.

The words in those books may not be questioned, even when demonstrated proven wrong.

It has sub-divisions and sects which fight each other, either by open warfare and/or in internal pogroms.

Thousands if not millions are killed in the name of the "holy cause".

It persecutes all the competing religions

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127022 Mar 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
They certainly did discourage religion.
In a way it's similar to one religion discouraging others but in these circumstances they took it to extremes.
After all, Communism has a "holy" book or books.
The words in those books may not be questioned, even when demonstrated proven wrong.
It has sub-divisions and sects which fight each other, either by open warfare and/or in internal pogroms.
Thousands if not millions are killed in the name of the "holy cause".
It persecutes all the competing religion a
The Muslims go quite a bit further than" discouraging "other religions. The Catholics are famous (these days) for accommodating other religions. I don't want to get political, but I think America is edging towards discouraging free speech." The thing about "holy causes", is how they keep popping up in different guises. Hitler's" holy cause "was " living space ", and " kill the Jews ". Some genocides are almost unknown to Americans, such as the Turks/Armenians. Human beings need very little prodding to butcher huge numbers of other human beings.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127023 Mar 26, 2014
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Another example of Capgras Syndrome.
Sad Really.
<sigh>
No wonder you have such a hard time coming up with anything productive or beneficial to the conversation.
You have my sympathy.
If I had a dollar, for every Lodi I've been stuck in....

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#127024 Mar 26, 2014
To paraphrase..

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#127025 Mar 26, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor curious
He's spent so long projecting his nonsense onto everyone else that he now believes his own lies.
How ironic that in his fragile state of mind, his delusions have now become his saving grace.

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